Autopsy Round 19: Roast & Toast vs GC & changes for Hawthorn

[BKM78]

Not being patronizing or anything but, you gotta watch Caddy in the flesh to see what he means to the structures and game plan.
**** he hits them hard when he can.


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Nothing patronizing about that

 

[BKM78]

Whilst watching the replay make sure you take note of the shocking slippery weather up there last night. Very tough for key forwards.
You're entitled to your own opinion but within the four walls the club is extremely happy with Caddys output and that's really the only opinion that matters

Noted the conditions. Thought he was particularly fumbly. Will watch again.
I am entitled to it, thanks.
Yes it is. Im here your here its healthy debate. What does it mean? 5/5ths.
Are you in the 4 walls?

 

[Equus]

Who is Dopey?
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Lloyd

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Corey Ellis goal was great. Think he will be a player

Does one good thing for the night and he,s going to be a player?Against a side who were 3 down for the best part of the 2nd half and only have what 12 possies?

 

[Cotcho]

*shaking my head in disbelief

Please, please, please make it stop.

You're actually trying to focus on his CPs and tackle count?? Seriously?

Played as a KEY Forward last night...

Caddy kicked 1.2 and had 12 disposals and 1 tackle as an undersized KEY FORWARD

Week prior Riewoldt kicked 2.1 and had only 10, and 1 tackle as yes you guessed it, our No. 1 KEY FORWARD.

Let that sink in for a bit. Caddy did what was asked by the coaching staff and did it well.

Jack Riewoldt is an incredibly clever player. He doesn't get a stat for that perfect tap to Grigg I think it was, which lead to the goal of the day for us at an important time. Jack was on a much better opposition player last week in even worse conditions for a key forward.

Fair to say those critical of Caddy haven't quite understood his role.

We do understand his role. He was asked to play in Jack Riewoldts role and he made a decent crack of it. However Jack's back next week and he's half the player Jack is. Simple as that.

Nobody is refuting the effort this guy does and what he did for the structure in the team last night. Next week is a different game against an incredibly quick defensive line in Gunston, Cicily, Burton, Glass etc. If he was clean when collecting the ball and had good execution you could forgive him for being a weak link in preventing the oppositions rebounding backs but he's not. He will be a liability in the forward line against Hawthorn. The changes are for next weeks game...not...if the game was played again last night would we want Caddy dropped.

 

[shaky]

Very eh win, although it was a danger game by our standards so I guess that's a good thing.

Anyone else think our chipping around in the backline late was a bit of practice closing out games? The play leading from that was insane too. Went coast to coast in 15sec.

I wonder if it is a tactic they are working on. I think teams have worked out to flood our forward line and clog it up. Doing the chip kicks draws players down field opening up the forward line for a quick move down using our leg speed.

 

[Richo is God]

He doesn't get a stat for that perfect tap to Grigg I think it was, which lead to the goal of the day for us at an important time. J

He gets a score involvement stat, which he had 6. Caddy had 5 last night, crashed a few packs and had a real physical presence.

Some people are just blinded by their hatred of some players they can't see that they were actually ok.

 

[tigs2010]

And those who didn't see him on TV perhaps missed the numerous fumbles, dropped marks and ease at which his opponents waltzed around him. I noticed he got a big bronx cheer from the supporters at one point for catching the thing. If the standard is long leads and crashing packs, and you don't have to do anything with the ball I should be in the team.
He was solid in the role he played without Jack no question about that. However, If Jack is back next week as expected along with Prestia, why do we need him? Who else gets dropped?
I'm not a big stats guy as sometimes they lie but he had the worst ranking on the field aside from the injured players didn't he?
For me it's similar to the Grigg in ruck situation. Grigg was great in there when we only had Nankervis and you have to respect his efforts. But once we play Soldo Grigg no longer rucks.
Caddy was an ok replacement for Jack. Now that Jacks back, why should he keep his spot?

Don't think that was a bronx cheer for the mark. Something happened behind play that got the crowd up and about.

It continued on and we gave away a reversal free a minute later.

 

[Cotcho]

Because we're still missing a second tall

So Soldo will be dropped for Riewoldt then and Caddy will remain? I thought Nankervis and Riewoldt in the forward line would qualify for 2 talls.

Because when we have a second tall he can go back to playing midfield

Caddy and Prestia potentially back into the midfield. Who comes out of the midfield then?

Because we're winning

It's a slippery slope and a mistake IMO to simply look at the outcome and not the process. We beat a GC outfit without their 2 best players and 1 on the interchange. Yes, we won. But it doesn't mean too much for the result of the Hawthorn clash

 

[prodigy]

Does one good thing for the night and he,s going to be a player?Against a side who were 3 down for the best part of the 2nd half and only have what 12 possies?

Will only grow in confidence the more exposure he gets at AFL level. I think his output will grow.
Think you're being too harsh on him.


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[Cotcho]

He gets a score involvement stat, which he had 6. Caddy had 5 last night, crashed a few packs and had a real physical presence.

Some people are just blinded by their hatred of some players they can't see that they were actually ok.

Some people might be. I've never brought up Caddy on this forum before so I'm not one of them. I saw a guy last night who made a lot of good contests and really put in...like a bloody good twos nugget. Perfect for a wet shitty game against an inexperienced team. However I see next week a far superior forward coming back into the team and a better midfielder.

Once again, I would drop him for next weeks game. Not for the game last night.

 

[Cotcho]

Don't think that was a bronx cheer for the mark. Something happened behind play that got the crowd up and about.

It continued on and we gave away a reversal free a minute later.

Fair enough. I don't like that as giving bronx cheers to a player without confidence...it doesn't do anything for their confidence lol so I'm glad to hear that it wasn't for that.

 

[Richo is God]

would drop him for next weeks gam

Why would you drop him and not someone like Bolton who, let's be honest did sfa. Oh wait, because hes just a kid and clearly isn't ready to step up yet so might as well give him a go instead of Caddy who has been a solid contributor all season

 

[Cotcho]

Why would you drop him and not someone like Bolton who, let's be honest did sfa. Oh wait, because hes just a kid and clearly isn't ready to step up yet so might as well give him a go instead of Caddy who has been a solid contributor all season

Did what we had to. Would've been nice to really put them to the sword based on their injuries but did enough I suppose.

In: Riewoldt, Prestia
Out: Caddy, Bolton

 

[tigs2010]

Fair enough. I don't like that as giving bronx cheers to a player without confidence...it doesn't do anything for their confidence lol so I'm glad to hear that it wasn't for that.

I thought the same at first too. Hopefully Josh didn't think it was for him

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

Grigg isn't going to get dropped guys.

wHY...?!?

 

[Tiger_Of_Old]

Will only grow in confidence the more exposure he gets at AFL level. I think his output will grow.
Think you're being too harsh on him.


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If this was his 1st year then i agree it would be harsh.But he's not.

 

[theflea]

One thing I noticed is we never looked in danger of losing. Slippery conditions, skills were poor at times but we moved if well. Those handball chains are epic


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Just on the handball chains, I think we do need to do this a little more, when are rushing the goals and use our numbers to run the ball in into the goal face, instead of just kicking to a 50 50 contest.

 

[JAKLAUGHING]

It's happening...

 

[TigermanM2]

We do understand his role. He was asked to play in Jack Riewoldts role and he made a decent crack of it. However Jack's back next week and he's half the player Jack is. Simple as that

I'm not talking about last night, I'm talking about the whole year. I've been hearing the drop Caddy posts (not just yours) all year and if you think he should be dropped then yes I don't think understand his role especially when you suggest he should go because we get Jack back.

 

[30YearsOfPain]

I get what he brings to the team. I understand the physicality and that it frees up Trent and Dusty. I'm not on team 'bash prestia and caddy'. However, i think his game last night is being overrated. Probably due to the fact it was Caddy or bust last night. Calling for his head may be harsh. Sure he may have been great off the ball, he may have ran great patterns and created space and holes....if he did this then he let that side of his game down when he had multiple chances to take clean possession and impact the game further. That is a fair assessment. I think his confidence is down and it shows in his refusal to try and take it in the hands.

Fair enough.

I guess also my assessment on all players is wholistic over a season. It's too long a game with way too many players ever too look at games individually. Thats why the stars stand out so much I guess.

But mainly I wanted to use the word wholistic in a post.

 

[mattt]

I want top 4 as well. But still locking in a top 8 spot first is the main thing then we can go hard for the 4. I'd almost prefer finishing 5th and playing the druggies then having to travel to Adelaide

Finish third (which given GWS's form looks more of a possibility) and we could draw the Cats in Geelong in a QF.

 

[tora tora tora]

Caddy was great last night. For those of us at the game, his bash and crash was essential. Played well. Did his role like he does every week.
Out: Bolton and C Ellis
In: Jack and Prestia
We're 4th for a reason.


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I heard the coach say Jack was right for next week. But there's no guarantee Prestia will be fit is there? I'm hoping the only change is Bolton for Jack

 

[Richo is God]

Finish third (which given GWS's form looks more of a possibility) and we could draw the Cats in Geelong in a QF.

No way we'd play a final a team Simonds

 

[peternorth]

Corey has bulked up when compare to the start of the last preseason, remember the photo of him and Yaz.
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on first inspection yes he has. ANd its more than reasonable to assume. Of course both photos are taken from different angles and feature different clarity, but its ok.

Also, anyone standing next to the guy in the white cap looks ultra slender lol!

Love Cellis long kicking skills!