Game Day Round 19 vs. Hawthorn, MCG, 4:35pm Saturday 20/07

[NMBB]

Should we do well during those challenging rounds, the team will be full of confidence come finals.

In the end, if we're good enough we'll beat the best sides. If not, I hope we go down hooking.

Beat them in the run home then clip their ears again in the finals - perfect

 

[jathanas]

Inner eastern suburbs are basically just leafy - although there are a few hilly things around Scotch College (good for 1st XVIII training).

The really hilly bits are in the outer eastern suburbs - think Cliff from Clematis

And..... who plays croquet now?

Warrandyte resident .

One can call the outer East "hilly" much the same way one can refer to Antarctica as "chilly".

 

[BuildEmUp]

So, I'm basically looking for some coaching changes.

1. Time to give youth sustained run, given we're done for the year. McInnis has to come in for the next 6 weeks. I'd also like to see some of the other under-25 players. Time to phase out over 30s gently and slowly.

2. Time to make changes in position. Daicos to half-back, Moore forward, some new players into the midfield -- time to learn what we have.

3. Depressing that Ginnivan has performed better than Shultz this year, with a 5-year age difference. So we basically gave away pick 7 for a net loss.

go and check the pressure difference as the other "stats" are pretty even, but shcultz is only 150% v better on pressure

 

[NMBB]

Warrandyte resident .

One can call the outer East "hilly" much the same way one can refer to Antarctica as "chilly".

Does that make Warrandyte residents "chilly hillbillies"?

 

[jathanas]

Does that make Warrandyte residents "chilly hillbillies"?

In a world full of Tyrells, we're the few remaining Starks.

 

[sr36]

If McStay and Cox play, I reckon freddy misses out

Freddy would be in Checkers role. I'd play all 3.

 

[manicpie]

Freddy would be in Checkers role. I'd play all 3.

I wouldn't be against it but we don't seem to do the 3 talls in the forward line

 

[sr36]

I wouldn't be against it but we don't seem to do the 3 talls in the forward line

We haven't had the cattle to this year, but last year we did whenever possible - even used Frampton there in a granny to have 3 as we had no one else.

 

[No SPIN]

So, I'm basically looking for some coaching changes.

1. Time to give youth sustained run, given we're done for the year. McInnis has to come in for the next 6 weeks. I'd also like to see some of the other under-25 players. Time to phase out over 30s gently and slowly.

2. Time to make changes in position. Daicos to half-back, Moore forward, some new players into the midfield -- time to learn what we have.

3. Depressing that Ginnivan has performed better than Shultz this year, with a 5-year age difference. So we basically gave away pick 7 for a net loss.

How has Ginnivan performed better?

 

[jathanas]

If McStay and Cox play, I reckon freddy misses out

It's unfair on McStay to throw him in this week and hope he performs at a senior level. Just my 2c.

 

[No SPIN]

It's unfair on McStay to throw him in this week and hope he performs at a senior level. Just my 2c.

I’d be inclined to think if Cox plays then they’ll give McStay another VFL game.
Cox and Cameron can alternate supporting Krueger.

 

[Harry O]

Cox has a poor record off a break. Takes him a while to get his judgment back

 

[jathanas]

So, I'm basically looking for some coaching changes.

1. Time to give youth sustained run, given we're done for the year. McInnis has to come in for the next 6 weeks. I'd also like to see some of the other under-25 players. Time to phase out over 30s gently and slowly.

2. Time to make changes in position. Daicos to half-back, Moore forward, some new players into the midfield -- time to learn what we have.

3. Depressing that Ginnivan has performed better than Shultz this year, with a 5-year age difference. So we basically gave away pick 7 for a net loss.

In hindsight we gave up too much for Schultz but comparing him to Ginnivan is doing him a disservice.

They're not similar players. Ginni just can't do what Schultz can in terms of defensive pressure or covering ground.

Whenever people start romanticising Ginni, I will just remind them of the Grand Final, plus he would have had even less opportunity to do well in Collingwood's forward line this year.

 

[RobJD]

In hindsight we gave up too much for Schultz but comparing him to Ginnivan is doing him a disservice.

They're not similar players. Ginni just can't do what Schultz can in terms of defensive pressure or covering ground.

Whenever people start romanticising Ginni, I will just remind them of the Grand Final, plus he would have had even less opportunity to do well in Collingwood's forward line this year.

Funny thing jathanas - I do exactly the same thing, Ginni's GF performance was so poor and I'm sure that Shultz in the same situation as Ginni would have performed much better.

 

[No SPIN]

Funny thing jathanas - I do exactly the same thing, Ginni's GF performance was so poor and I'm sure that Shultz in the same situation as Ginni would have performed much better.

Agree - and the romantics forget he was a shadow of his 2022 season in 2023.
Schultz is by far a more complete player.

 

[No SPIN]

Cox has a poor record off a break. Takes him a while to get his judgment back

Compared to no Cox - I’ll take it.
It’s not a time to be choosy.

 

[swoop42]

People need to temper their expectations on Cox. He was in poor form prior to injury.

Kreuger has actually had more impact up forward than Cox in 2024. Cox at 211cm 110kg will naturally have the edge in the ruck.

Nathan Kreuger and Mason Cox AFL Stats Comparison

Nathan Kreuger and Mason Cox AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

 

[leon123]

Compared to no Cox - I’ll take it.
It’s not a time to be choosy.

Sounds like some of my friends at Ballarat nightclubs in my early days

 

[Capital Magpie]

Cox has a poor record off a break. Takes him a while to get his judgment back

That's true, but we really need to roll the dice with either Cox or McStay in the AFL team.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

That's true, but we really need to roll the dice with either Cox or McStay in the AFL team.

Agreed. He has to have his first game at some stage. May as well be this week if he completes full training tomorrow.

 

[HFF]

If we’re rolling the dice then McStay plays.
Probably Cox foo.
If nothing else to allow us to get structure and play a territory based game as opposed to the way we have been playing based on our personnel issues

 

[Chrispiesssss]

People need to temper their expectations on Cox. He was in poor form prior to injury.

Kreuger has actually had more impact up forward than Cox in 2024. Cox at 211cm 110kg will naturally have the edge in the ruck.

Nathan Kreuger and Mason Cox AFL Stats Comparison

Nathan Kreuger and Mason Cox AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

We need Cox to get the ball to win/breakeven in the midfield so we can actually get the ball forward.

Freddie kicked some very cheapie goals against Essendon which inflated his impact.

 

[TW Sherrin]

It's unfair on McStay to throw him in this week and hope he performs at a senior level. Just my 2c.

leave him in the 2s. they play Sunday. if the seniors lose, 2024 is done so put him in cotton wool for the rest of 2024.

 

[No SPIN]

People need to temper their expectations on Cox. He was in poor form prior to injury.

Kreuger has actually had more impact up forward than Cox in 2024. Cox at 211cm 110kg will naturally have the edge in the ruck.

Nathan Kreuger and Mason Cox AFL Stats Comparison

Nathan Kreuger and Mason Cox AFL Stats Comparison.

www.footywire.com

Winning Ruck contests and getting first use far outweighs any advantage of Kreuger playing fwd IMO.

 

[Soups]

Playing both McStay and Cox both coming off extended periods of time out, is a massive risk imo.

Hawks will be smelling blood if we decide to go with both.