Prediction Round 2: Changes Vs St Kilda + pre-match discussion

[CapitalA]

Wtf is wrong with Johnsons foot?

He became aware of it, could take months to learn how to use it now...

 

[ignoramus]

Instead Walters tries to milk a free, goes to ground and the opposition get the ball

This "going to ground" and "milking a free" thing has a life on its own.

I literally just commented on the number of times Walters' "going to ground" was in the service of getting the ball to a teammate's advantage. Sure, I didn't give a blow-by-blow description of each act to support the case, but if you're just going to respond to a defence of his play simply by re-stating the "going to ground" line as a matter of fact, it suggests that there's more than a little bit of preconception colouring your view. In which case, Walters has no hope. Only another 6 goal, 30+ possession game will redeem him, it seems.

As for "milking a free", I didn't notice any in the first half. He touched his lip a few times to check for blood after the head clash that saw a free against him. I suppose the lingering camera shot on him (rather than the Adelaide player about to kick) is proof positive that he was trying to milk a free by doing that. It's weird, though, that Walters is always "milking a free", yet all those players (just about every player) who, when going for a contested ball, throw their arms out instead of taking possession when they feel the breath of a would-be tackler on the back of their neck, they're not milking a free. "Walters milks frees" is a narrative that's out there, and nothing short of a season of back-to-back BOG games will dispel that narrative, by the looks of it.

But for the sake of testing the truth of this truism, I will take particular care to catalogue all those times over the second half that Walters "milks a free"

 

[theGav56]

He's not so bad. Reckon he often says insightful interesting things. Just struggles to articulate himself quickly. Think he's getting better at it.

The positive thing with Pavlich is that he doesn't feel an obligation to entertain us. Just inform us.

But he needs to be balanced alongside a more excitable commentator.

 

[DragoDelph]

Fyfe no chance.
Wilson unlikely.
Darcy has to get through training.
Erasmus close, probably not this week, but wait for selection.

 

[theGav56]

This "going to ground" and "milking a free" thing has a life on its own.

I literally just commented on the number of times Walters' "going to ground" was in the service of getting the ball to a teammate's advantage. Sure, I didn't give a blow-by-blow description of each act to support the case, but if you're just going to respond to a defence of his play simply by re-stating the "going to ground" line as a matter of fact, it suggests that there's more than a little bit of preconception colouring your view. In which case, Walters has no hope. Only another 6 goal, 30+ possession game will redeem him, it seems.

As for "milking a free", I didn't notice any in the first half. He touched his lip a few times to check for blood after the head clash that saw a free against him. I suppose the lingering camera shot on him (rather than the Adelaide player about to kick) is proof positive that he was trying to milk a free by doing that. It's weird, though, that Walters is always "milking a free", yet all those players (just about every player) who, when going for a contested ball, throw their arms out instead of taking possession when they feel the breath of a would-be tackler on the back of their neck, they're not milking a free. "Walters milks frees" is a narrative that's out there, and nothing short of a season of back-to-back BOG games will dispel that narrative, by the looks of it.

But for the sake of testing the truth of this truism, I will take particular care to catalogue all those times over the second half that Walters "milks a free"

I appreciate your fact checking.

What is your take on Walters going to ground against Doedee in the final 2 minutes video?

I think that is exactly the scenario posters are referring to with Walters. A fairly critical contest that needs the ball kept in contention or won. Some pretty innocuous intact, Walters goes down and is no longer relevant. Can't even pressure his opponent from there. Doedee mounts a potentially match winning attack.

 

[Eski3]

Fyfe no chance.
Wilson unlikely.
Darcy has to get through training.
Erasmus close, probably not this week, but wait for selection.

So just Darcy for Meek then, unless they want to do something like bring Colyer in

 

[freo1997]

Banfield and Meek out. Is that the consensus?

Darcy and Colyer in. Maybe Walker injected into the backline and Cox to CHF..Treacy making way.


Erasmus could come in for banners too. Few options.

 

[wild side]

Fyfe sounds very suss to me.
Another scan would mean they are in the dark over his issue.
Could be a decade and a half of beast mode catching up

 

[Van_Dyke]

Fyfe no chance.
Wilson unlikely.
Darcy has to get through training.
Erasmus close, probably not this week, but wait for selection.

 

[Square Peg]

I appreciate your fact checking.

What is your take on Walters going to ground against Doedee in the final 2 minutes video?

I think that is exactly the scenario posters are referring to with Walters. A fairly critical contest that needs the ball kept in contention or won. Some pretty innocuous intact, Walters goes down and is no longer relevant. Can't even pressure his opponent from there. Doedee mounts a potentially match winning attack.

An even worse one for me was the one in the third quarter when we were under the pump and really needed to change the momentum, he took the ball on the wing, could have given off a handball but did some stupid weak shimmy to try and lose his man, got tackled and flopped and pinged for HTB.
That was terrible from a supposed leader

 

[rgauci]

An even worse one for me was the one in the third quarter when we were under the pump and really needed to change the momentum, he took the ball on the wing, could have given off a handball but did some stupid weak shimmy to try and lose his man, got tackled and flopped and pinged for HTB.
That was terrible from a supposed leader

When I read this, I thought of Henry on the wing trying to take on the tackler.

 

[wakojako]

Banfield and Meek out. Is that the consensus?

Darcy and Colyer in. Maybe Walker injected into the backline and Cox to CHF..Treacy making way.


Erasmus could come in for banners too. Few options.

Ras ain't playing this week. We better see him at Peel.

 

[DragoDelph]

Wanganeen-Milera set to play this week for the saints.

Be interesting to see him and Henry go head to head.

 

[apuchar]

When I read this, I thought of Henry on the wing trying to take on the tackler.

On closer inspection, Henry had no-one to kick to up field. All Adelaide.

 

[stax on the mull]

I appreciate your fact checking.

What is your take on Walters going to ground against Doedee in the final 2 minutes video?

I think that is exactly the scenario posters are referring to with Walters. A fairly critical contest that needs the ball kept in contention or won. Some pretty innocuous intact, Walters goes down and is no longer relevant. Can't even pressure his opponent from there. Doedee mounts a potentially match winning attack.

Clark pumped his kick straight up the middle to contest between Walters and Doedee which favoured Doedee, but wider Mundy was on his own on the boundary side.

 

[DragoDelph]

Titus’ review is out.

Adam Cerra is a big loss. In previous years he’s been overlooked by the media due to suffering from a dangerous case of ‘playing for Fremantle’.

Now cured of this, suddenly the Melbourne media are noticing him, like when Rachael Leigh-Cook took off her glasses in She’s All That

A highly unhelpful guide to Round Two

The only guide to the round that admits it’s completely unhelpful. What it lacks in insight, it makes up for with wild theories and detours onto unrelated

www.titusoreily.com

 

[Joose]

Looks like only Darcy will get up this week.

Selection is conservative so it will probably be only Darcy for Meek.

If it is wet though, I would bring in Blakely for a bit of grunt in the clinches.

So my changes would be

Darcy > Meek
Blakely > Henry

 

[theGav56]

Clark pumped his kick straight up the middle to contest between Walters and Doedee which favoured Doedee, but wider Mundy was on his own on the boundary side.

Looks like an even contest to me. It certainly isn't to Doedee's advantage to the extent that it should be coming back with no pressure applied.

If Walters kept his feet he may have a shot at getting it towards Mundy, execute a tackle or smother. But he went to ground and became a witness rather than a participant.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Mundy might be out, missing from training and his kids may have Covid (sources)

 

[wild side]

Sheet. not good

 

[DMan 11]

Mundy might be out, missing from training and his kids may have Covid (sources)

Blakey the sensible replacement if true


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[wayToGo_]

Fyfe sounds very suss to me.
Another scan would mean they are in the dark over his issue.
Could be a decade and a half of beast mode catching up

Ellyse Perry also with a back injury.

I think we've found the cause.

 

[CapitalA]

Looks like only Darcy will get up this week.

Selection is conservative so it will probably be only Darcy for Meek.

If it is wet though, I would bring in Blakely for a bit of grunt in the clinches.

So my changes would be

Darcy > Meek
Blakely > Henry

JL also said he wants to give Brodie more time on field, only 65%, and we might drop Henry for Colyer. Colyer is just better in the contest and if its wet there will be a lot of contests, could be Blakely too, but I hope not.

 

[Snuffaluphagus]

Ellyse Perry also with a back injury.

I think we've found the cause.

If the cost of getting an army of future Fyfe-Perry Father sons/daughters, as missing parts of the season, I'm ok with that

 

[stax on the mull]

Looks like an even contest to me. It certainly isn't to Doedee's advantage to the extent that it should be coming back with no pressure applied.

If Walters kept his feet he may have a shot at getting it towards Mundy, execute a tackle or smother. But he went to ground and became a witness rather than a participant.

There's a mix of shadow and sunlight in the camera but to me it looks like Walters has had to turn to track back under the flight of the ball and stick one arm up trying to get a touch on the flight of the ball whereas Doedee just has to come across a metre to the right of where he is to contest. Walters falls on contact with a taller and bigger bodied player in the marking contest but he's straight back up again.

When Clark hurriedly kicks it up the middle, look at the space on the wing. If he kicks it towards the boundary, there's a fair chance Fremantle are first to the ball. Think before that last two minutes Walters had kept possession at half forward with a mark and pass. Remember we had to hang on for about 6 minutes of actual time, about 4 mins of clock time after the Schultz goal put us in front.

Anyway, this for the post match thread. I'm predicting Walters gets picked in Rd 2.

I will concede after watching Daicos on the Front Bar last night talking about being forced to retire at 32yo, that every great career has to come to an end and Sonny turns 32 in Jan next year.