Prediction Round 2: Changes Vs St Kilda + pre-match discussion

[dont bowl there]

JL also said he wants to give Brodie more time on field, only 65%, and we might drop Henry for Colyer. Colyer is just better in the contest and if its wet there will be a lot of contests, could be Blakely too, but I hope not.

Hopefully Brodie is up for it, can’t have a player sit for most of the last quarter due to fatigue.

Edit: Should mention I’m a huge fan of Brodie. But surely he must be able to run a game out by now.

 

[stax on the mull]

Ellyse Perry also with a back injury.

I think we've found the cause.

I was watching some doco on the 20-20 World Cup last night and she had a shoulder injury then too.

 

[freo_leo29]

Hopefully Brodie is up for it, can’t have a player sit for most of the last quarter due to fatigue.

Edit: Should mention I’m a huge fan of Brodie. But surely he must be able to run a game out by now.

JL said he got stuck on the bench due to the hectic last 5 minutes of gametime

Doesn't sound like fatigue

 

[dont bowl there]

JL said he got stuck on the bench due to the hectic last 5 minutes of gametime

Doesn't sound like fatigue

He spent 20mins on the bench in the last quarter, if it’s not fatigue it’s shit rotations.

 

[Tbonefreo]

He became aware of it, could take months to learn how to use it now...

General soreness replacement I see

 

[wakojako]

Anyone want to see a trial of Cox moved to the forwardline and Banners replaced with Walker?

 

[dont bowl there]

Mundy might be out, missing from training and his kids may have Covid (sources)

Gee, when was the last time we played a game without either Mundy or Fyfe? I guess we will see some more midfield rotations if they both miss.

 

[freo_leo29]

He spent 20mins on the bench in the last quarter, if it’s not fatigue it’s shit rotations.

Yeah JL acknowledged it was shit rotations

Dockers skipper to miss again, sent for scans after setback

Nat Fyfe has been ruled out again and will have scans after a setback to his back injury

www.afl.com.au

Andrew Brayshaw and Will Brodie each had five centre clearances and Longmuir said he would look to build on the latter's involvement after the former Gold Coast midfielder's time on ground was restricted to 65 per cent.

"We'll keep working on his game time. There were a few players who were a little bit low because they got caught off for the last five minutes of the game," the coach said.

"I think he can build on his game from the weekend."

 

[wakojako]

Gee, when was the last time we played a game without either Mundy or Fyfe? I guess we will see some more midfield rotations if they both miss.

Wait, does this mean we can play someone from the WAFL? I would love to see Bailey Rogers out there.

 

[Van_Dyke]

Gee, when was the last time we played a game without either Mundy or Fyfe? I guess we will see some more midfield rotations if they both miss.

2016 rd 10 against St Kilda ironically enough

 

[Van_Dyke]

Mundy might be out, missing from training and his kids may have Covid (sources)

i hope the latter is just someone putting two and two together, JL said this in his presser today


Mundy, Brennan Cox and Luke Ryan didn’t train but Longmuir said the squad remained free of COVID protocols.

“I think it’s pretty inevitable in the current climate, so we’re doing everything we can to put in precautions,” Longmuir said.

“But we’re going to have to face it at some stage.”

Back out of business: Fyfe’s worrying injury blow

(and yes it is a quartermaine but i couldn't find anything else)

 

[Van_Dyke]

Gee, when was the last time we played a game without either Mundy or Fyfe? I guess we will see some more midfield rotations if they both miss.

2016 rd 10 against St Kilda ironically enough

and before that i think it might be 2011 r24 after going through afl tables, one hell of a streak.

 

[ignoramus]

I appreciate your fact checking.

What is your take on Walters going to ground against Doedee in the final 2 minutes video?

I think that is exactly the scenario posters are referring to with Walters. A fairly critical contest that needs the ball kept in contention or won. Some pretty innocuous intact, Walters goes down and is no longer relevant. Can't even pressure his opponent from there. Doedee mounts a potentially match winning attack.

Haven't re-watched the second half yet, so can't really speak to Square Peg's e.g. Looking at this one, it's hard to say with the moving camera, but it looks to me that Walters is off the ground and in the air going for the mark, when Tom Doedee (187cm, 90kg) shoves Walters (176cm, 79kg) while in the air. I've never really played footy, so I can't speak the ease or difficulty of landing on your feet in that situation. Should Walter not have gone for the mark? I don't know.

I should add that I'm sure — 100% positive — that there are times when Walters goes to ground. Just like I am sure that David Mundy has kicked the ball out on the full — even though it's always some other player (e.g. Ed Langdon) who has "terrible accuracy". It's always easy to find an example to support these kinds of cliche, because players aren't perfect. How many counter-examples are needed to challenge the established narrative?

At any rate, I'm less interested in claiming that X player is perfect and has never done something wrong, than in looking at what the established narratives and the cliches overlook, and in fact can't see because they are too busy holding up one or two cases as proof positive. What I was seeing, when watching the replay is that "going to ground" in Walter's case is very often a weapon rather than a deficiency. Like all weapons it undoubtedly backfires on occasion or is the wrong weapon for the job. But I'm not sure that that's not a level of analysis that clunky cliches like going to ground are capable of reaching.

 

[StingBitten]

Not sure if already mentioned by Duffo had a different view to the consensus re Walters.

Basically said he draws the best small/medium defender and isn't given an inch of space. Blamed his coworkers in not getting him into the game and ball in hand - interesting point I hadn't considered it. The truth is in the limited times Walters has ball in hand he rarely misses his targets or the between the big sticks.

I'm not sure what the other forwards and mids can do that to bring him into the game?

 

[ignoramus]

Basically said he draws the best small/medium defender and isn't given an inch of space.

There was an unreal moment in the second quarter around the centre circle (general play, not a centre bounce) when Walters diving for a ball drew three (!) Adelaide players. Ball got out to an unopposed teammate (can't remember who) for an inside 50.

 

[BStaff17]

Wtf is wrong with Johnsons foot?

Fremantleitis

Any player that enters Freo HQ must have an injury. Its a requirement to get recruited by the club it seems.

 

[go_the_dockers]

Out of curiosity where has the idea of Walker as a lock-down defender come from?
I haven't personally noticed him play this role, more the dashing half back.

A lot of signs of promise, but he hasn't been nearly involved as Wilson on average from the games I've seen.

When your other defenders are Clark, Wilson and Ryan then you become it by default

 

[Lach72]

I appreciate your fact checking.

What is your take on Walters going to ground against Doedee in the final 2 minutes video?

I think that is exactly the scenario posters are referring to with Walters. A fairly critical contest that needs the ball kept in contention or won. Some pretty innocuous intact, Walters goes down and is no longer relevant. Can't even pressure his opponent from there. Doedee mounts a potentially match winning attack.

i think In this case, he was out bodied by the bigger man

 

[CapitalA]

Hopefully Brodie is up for it, can’t have a player sit for most of the last quarter due to fatigue.

Edit: Should mention I’m a huge fan of Brodie. But surely he must be able to run a game out by now.

The way it sounded was they held him back to 65% but who knows.

 

[theGav56]

There's a mix of shadow and sunlight in the camera but to me it looks like Walters has had to turn to track back under the flight of the ball and stick one arm up trying to get a touch on the flight of the ball whereas Doedee just has to come across a metre to the right of where he is to contest. Walters falls on contact with a taller and bigger bodied player in the marking contest but he's straight back up again.

When Clark hurriedly kicks it up the middle, look at the space on the wing. If he kicks it towards the boundary, there's a fair chance Fremantle are first to the ball. Think before that last two minutes Walters had kept possession at half forward with a mark and pass. Remember we had to hang on for about 6 minutes of actual time, about 4 mins of clock time after the Schultz goal put us in front.

Anyway, this for the post match thread. I'm predicting Walters gets picked in Rd 2.

I will concede after watching Daicos on the Front Bar last night talking about being forced to retire at 32yo, that every great career has to come to an end and Sonny turns 32 in Jan next year.

Every footballer wants the ball kicked to their advantage. Playing on a bigger bodied player gives a smaller more nimble player an advantage. If they stay on their feet. And Walters is one of the smartest players we have ever had. By the time he is "straight back up" as you call it, it is too late. He is meters away from the contest.

Surely the entire point of having Walters in that position should be because we think he can win it? There is always the likelihood of a long clearing kick. That Clark could have made a better decision is irrelevant. Walters needs to impact that contest.

 

[stax on the mull]

Every footballer wants the ball kicked to their advantage. Playing on a bigger bodied player gives a smaller more nimble player an advantage. If they stay on their feet. And Walters is one of the smartest players we have ever had. By the time he is "straight back up" as you call it, it is too late. He is meters away from the contest.

Surely the entire point of having Walters in that position should be because we think he can win it? There is always the likelihood of a long clearing kick. That Clark could have made a better decision is irrelevant. Walters needs to impact that contest.

Got it. Its a valid point you make because we've never had any previous issue with forwards being outsized by bigger defenders and kicks to them going over their heads when their in front postion.

 

[theGav56]

Haven't re-watched the second half yet, so can't really speak to Square Peg's e.g. Looking at this one, it's hard to say with the moving camera, but it looks to me that Walters is off the ground and in the air going for the mark, when Tom Doedee (187cm, 90kg) shoves Walters (176cm, 79kg) while in the air. I've never really played footy, so I can't speak the ease or difficulty of landing on your feet in that situation. Should Walter not have gone for the mark? I don't know.

I should add that I'm sure — 100% positive — that there are times when Walters goes to ground. Just like I am sure that David Mundy has kicked the ball out on the full — even though it's always some other player (e.g. Ed Langdon) who has "terrible accuracy". It's always easy to find an example to support these kinds of cliche, because players aren't perfect. How many counter-examples are needed to challenge the established narrative?

At any rate, I'm less interested in claiming that X player is perfect and has never done something wrong, than in looking at what the established narratives and the cliches overlook, and in fact can't see because they are too busy holding up one or two cases as proof positive. What I was seeing, when watching the replay is that "going to ground" in Walter's case is very often a weapon rather than a deficiency. Like all weapons it undoubtedly backfires on occasion or is the wrong weapon for the job. But I'm not sure that that's not a level of analysis that clunky cliches like going to ground are capable of reaching.

I understand what you're saying. But in the context of the game we don't need Walters to be attempting to mark against a bigger player. We need to keep the play out of the forward zone.

I remember Peter Bell taking the ball and being tackled in the dying moments of a game forcing a ball up, and ensuring we won. If he had taken a different option the possibility of losing the game comes into play.

That's how I saw that passage of play. If it was as you suggested the only realistic positive potential outcome for us is Walters successfully outmarking a bigger opponent.

 

[theGav56]

Got it. Its a valid point you make because we've never had any previous issue with forwards being outsized by bigger defenders and kicks to them going over their heads when their in front postion.

Isn't that a coaching-management issue? If it's been a problem for us in the past, why do we have a surfeit of big hbf-ers and a similar abundance of small forwards?

We just got cut up because we lack a small defender and exposed because our get out clearance kick is going to an outsized forward.

 

[Jezzitizle]

O

Jesus then we wouldn’t have Tabs or Lobb

Or Fyfe

 

[Ogrebait]

and before that i think it might be 2011 r24 after going through afl tables, one hell of a streak.

Are you able to see how many times we've played A.Pearce, Cox and Ryan in the same team? (Preferably all in the backline.)