Autopsy Round 20, 2023: Hawthorn v St.Kilda

[Joffaboy]

What should he have said , The saints are flying and should win the flag ?

I agree with it, I had no faith in them either. Restored somewhat but still a bit to go.

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[Cairnsman]

Not all Saints supporters, many of us had faith in RTB and the coaching team.

We have come a long way in 12 months.

Riewoldt was on the money with his comment about improvements in training standards.

Gee I recon you could mount a serious argument against the outcome of the perceived improvement in training standards.

An injury crisis like we’ve never seen before and a style of play that doesn’t seem likes it’s an upgrade on last year.

But it’s early days so we need to give it time before we start the back slapping too hard. Judging time starts this time next year for a period of 2 years. Official judging finishes at the end of the 2026 season or when we win our next flag, whatever comes first.

 

[mighty_sainters]

His effort in his run home column yesterday (we're losing the last four BTW) was equally disgraceful. The next time he gives us credit will be the first time.

I begrudgingly listen to the fox footy podcast.

Max Laughton is genuinely just a weird case, wouldn’t take much interest in what he says. Very strange character.

 

[MordySaint]

I agree with it, I had no faith in them either. Restored somewhat but still a bit to go.

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I got a touch rocked after the Suns game, but the rest of the games you could see something.

Suns are packed with talent, showed with another great display on the weekend.

As I said in one of my comments earlier which I was poo-pooed on. The Saints are an easy target when it comes to writing negative journalism.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

Funny how they also thought Richmond beating Hawthorn last week was impressive

They can keep going on about how we don't deserve to be where we are on the ladder but that ignores that we've beaten 7 of the 10 teams also fighting for a spot in the 8. That is why we are sitting 5th instead of those other teams. We've had our form difficulties but so has everyone else around us.

Nope, not how it works. The ladder is a mf liar. We stole wins and we also were given add on wins that we didn’t even play in.

Such a stupid concept. You’d think the click bait would be better off annoying the f out of a bigger club.

 

[Tommy Wigs]

I agree with it, I had no faith in them either. Restored somewhat but still a bit to go.

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But for me it’s silly because it doesn’t have a clear purpose. If it was just based on form right now, then you’d see all sorts of fluctuations. Port would have to have dropped a few places, etc. If it’s based on trying to target eventual final positions, then how do you ultimately have a team in the 8 and they miss finals or vice versa. Even if we lose the last four, we aren’t finishing 15th.

 

[Geary Is GOAT]

Aaron Fiora MK2 unfortunately

Lots of hype due to draft position but failing to deliver to expectation.

He’s going to need a change of club to see if that gets more out of him.

Unfortunate for us but a reality for him personally

Doubt a change of club will do much for him at 28 honestly, could be wrong though.

57 meters gained from 15 disposals from a player drafted for his use by foot would be hilarious if it wasn't so tragic. Fiora never showed half as much as Billings did inside his first 50 games.

That Rolls Royce was a bit of a lemon, unfortunately.

 

[beside the seaside]

Funny how they also thought Richmond beating Hawthorn last week was impressive

They can keep going on about how we don't deserve to be where we are on the ladder but that ignores that we've beaten 7 of the 10 teams also fighting for a spot in the 8. That is why we are sitting 5th instead of those other teams. We've had our form difficulties but so has everyone else around us.

Remember at the start of the year when Lyon said he hasn't liked the narrative around St Kilda at times? This is a good example I think. It's not that it's wrong to predict we lose every game but for about ten weeks all we've heard is how crap we are. The club is trying to sell memberships to get people to come to the last few games, we sit fifth and have a huge crack at finals yet all we hear is how bad we are. The complete ignoring of Nasiah is a good example.

 

[Ricmel]

we sit fifth and have a huge crack at finals yet all we hear is how bad we are. The complete ignoring of Nasiah is a good example.

You have to have context. If we weren't coming off 11 years of pretty putrid results and comical draft/recruiting there would be much more love for the year we are having. I think the one thing I put some hope in is our drafting has been almost impressive since 2018 and that needs time to wash through.

Still, reality is we have had time for 2 rebuilds since 2011 and we have one sixth place finish to show for it. It's not surprising there is a lack of trust in the club.

 

[bergholt]

Not all Saints supporters, many of us had faith in RTB and the coaching team.

If you still had faith after losing to the Hawks and barely getting over West Coast and North then you’re a better man than me!

 

[MordySaint]

If you still had faith after losing to the Hawks and barely getting over West Coast and North then you’re a better man than me!

Thats's RTB's gamestyle ... attrition first ... scoring a distant next. Focus on the win at any cost.

I would take this anytime compared to the Good Friday debacle that Richo served up or the one quarter performances that Ratten dished up.

Thankfully we finally have a coaching squad that focuses on winning games.

 

[The Punter]

You have to have context. If we weren't coming off 11 years of pretty putrid results and comical draft/recruiting there would be much more love for the year we are having. I think the one thing I put some hope in is our drafting has been almost impressive since 2018 and that needs time to wash through.

Still, reality is we have had time for 2 rebuilds since 2011 and we have one sixth place finish to show for it. It's not surprising there is a lack of trust in the club.

Nah, it's been impressive, not almost.

2018: King, Wilkie
2019 (traded out of any meaningful high pick): Byrnes
2021: NWM, Owens, Windhager, Hayes, Peris
2022: Phillipou, Caminiti, Stocker

And 2020 was a raffle due to COVID - no one was able to scout anyone (or play for that matter). The platform built through drafting the last five years has been very good.

 

[Premium]

But for me it’s silly because it doesn’t have a clear purpose. If it was just based on form right now, then you’d see all sorts of fluctuations. Port would have to have dropped a few places, etc. If it’s based on trying to target eventual final positions, then how do you ultimately have a team in the 8 and they miss finals or vice versa. Even if we lose the last four, we aren’t finishing 15th.

Rates us 15th and even if we lose every game from now we can't get there - St Kilda have better out comes against the better teams than the btm teams as shown against the Pies and Melbourne - going by our improvement this year we have stopped the big loss's against
better teams.
Get our midfield right we will push any team

 

[Ricmel]

Nah, it's been impressive, not almost.

2018: King, Wilkie
2019 (traded out of any meaningful high pick): Byrnes
2021: NWM, Owens, Windhager, Hayes, Peris
2022: Phillipou, Caminiti, Stocker

And 2020 was a raffle due to COVID - no one was able to scout anyone (or play for that matter). The platform built through drafting the last five years has been very good.

I would hope so but it will be a few years before we know how good Windy, Phillipou, Caminiti actually are. I think we can be confident in King, Wilkie, NWM and Owens. That is about par - if the other 3 come on it will be a good 4 years.

 

[Premium]

I would hope so but it will be a few years before we know how good Windy, Phillipou, Caminiti actually are. I think we can be confident in King, Wilkie, NWM and Owens. That is about par - if the other 3 come on it will be a good 4 years.

They all know how talented Keller and Hotton are and we really got them for bugger all , I have to mention Heath - he is big and raw , but has the skills to be a hell of a ruckman and I would not be surprised to see him playing next year on a permanent basis.
Even Allison is showing he is not a total spud.

It's hard to say how good any of them will be but you have to remember Sinclair was a average player a few years ago and now he is the best player in the side.

 

[bergholt]

It's hard to say how good any of them will be but you have to remember Sinclair was a average player a few years ago and now he is the best player in the side.

Lonie was an average player a few years ago too

 

[Premium]

Lonie was an average player a few years ago too

And de-listed

 

[bergholt]

And de-listed

Exactly my point - most guys who look like average players don’t end up All Australians

 

[Ricmel]

Exactly my point - most guys who look like average players don’t end up All Australians

Yep. Acres, Billing’s, Clark, Lonie, Bytel - I mean really Sinclair is the absolute exception, not the rule.

 

[The Jack]

Sharman in the coaches votes.

 

[ScrappyDo]

Keep him on for at least another year and see if he can string a season together.

You think he'll sign a 1 year deal?

 

[NoisyMinor]

Echoed the thoughts of many Saints supporters on here tbh. We can earn the respect back if we win a couple of the next four.

Yeah, nah.

Respect is earned, not given.

 

[NoisyMinor]

Until we put away someone in the current top 6 I remain extremely skeptical of any 'we wuz contenderz' bullshit.

 

[bergholt]

Yeah, nah.

Respect is earned, not given.

I thought that’s what I said?

 

[gubby88]

You have to have context. If we weren't coming off 11 years of pretty putrid results and comical draft/recruiting there would be much more love for the year we are having. I think the one thing I put some hope in is our drafting has been almost impressive since 2018 and that needs time to wash through.

Still, reality is we have had time for 2 rebuilds since 2011 and we have one sixth place finish to show for it. It's not surprising there is a lack of trust in the club.

**** context...blues have been worse than us and you would think that they have won the last 10 flags the media carries on about them so much....

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