Review Round 3, 2022 vs Adelaide

[AdamMarrett]

Looking at results around the traps it isnt even any sort of hyperbole to say we are playing actual spoonworthy football. Amazing fall.

I honestly believe over the summer the game has moved past Hinkley and his gameplan of the forward press, now teams are moving the ball quickly and just chopping through the press. I can't see Ken catching up to it.

 

[Portmagpies36]

1 pt hmmm

Quarter time Carlton had 7 goals, that's 7 goals more than we had at quarter time last week, not to mention when Hawthorn hit the front Carlton were good enough to come back when it mattered, if only we had that sort of character.

 

[Portmagpies36]

Isn’t that the point with leadership though, it involves what you provide off field as much as on. We have no idea of the impact he has off field.
I actually think he had been pretty good this year. He certainly made a stand when Mitch Robinson took out Duursma.
He also put his body on the line quite a few times Friday night.
There were plenty who didn’t.
I reckon we have a lot bigger issues than DBJ’s leadership at the moment.

Its a huge issue, our on field leadership has been questioned for years and he is now part of it.

 

[VineValerian]

not a single port player ran to the opposite side (left) at the kick out. pure laziness or obedient to instructions

Absolutely what I was wondering at the time.
Was yelling at the TV saying get to the other side.
Of course our game plan ain't based on common sense

 

[Willsy10]

Jesus we are not happy!!! Haven't been happy since 20 f***ing 14!! Are you happy?? Happy watching Ken fleece millions from our club? A bush league hack that can't speak coherent English let alone devise a winning game plan and meld a team to play to its strengths? Show respect to the supporters and traditions of this once great club? Stop whining about people that really do care what happens. I went to the game. Did you? I went to watch the Maggie's beforehand. Did you?

I was responding to half the posters on here supposedly barracking for a loss in the lead up. Chill out.


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[FishingRick04]

He was in the leadership group last year.
Went in at the start of 2021.
Have a look around the league and you might notice leadership and being the best player don’t always correlate.

Hinkley wanted Wines as captain, the players wanted Jonas. Hence the shared captaincy debacle

 

[philreich]

Can't believe we're still paying odds of $18.00 to win the flag - at this point, there's more chance of Vladimir Putin winning a popularity contest in the Ukraine.

 

[rogerjames]

Sitting in the crowd, he doesn't. The supporter base absolutely hates him apart from a few holdout happy clappers who will hate him the second he's sacked by the club. The feeling of hate towards him is palpable. No supporter likes him. I've never seen anything like it at AFL level.

Unfortunately I talk to many Port supporters that like him & want him to remain as coach. It shocks me.

 

[rogerjames]

Remember the Gold Coast Trial Game matchday thread a little over a month ago?

When that soft, shambolic, wasteful, incoherent, red flag laden ‘performance’ was swept under the rug to the usual refrains and denialisms that greet Port looking like a stray twat that’s fallen behind the fridge in a Coober Pedy dugout in the pre-and-early season?

I mean, all the foreshadowing was there, but holy moley.

Ports pre-season games have always been a great indication of how we will go since Hinkley took over. Shambolic pre-season & shambolic start to season. It want get much better either.

 

[Pafcsince86]

Lets assume that Adelaide were smart enough to play man on man for the last 45 seconds after Houston had taken the mark and was slowly walking back to take his kick.

In fact here is the scene. Everyone is close to chip it to them and was covered with 46 seconds to go. Rachele was zoning between of our 2 players, Looks like Wines near the boundary and Amon near the T5G sign and a crows player in green boots was sprinting in and had him covered within the next second.

There were no short options. Pretty sure that is TJ to the right of screen and I guess he could have sprinted off towards their goal and boundary, Houston probably would have hit him, but the next kick would have been the issues as all players had pushed over to the camera side of the ground. I would not have trusted TJ with the next kick.

On this shot there are 9 Port players and 10 crows players. The rest are more than 40m from where Houston is standing


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Houston spends the next 4 or 5 seconds assessing his options which weren't many and he was called to play on

When he kicks, its 8 Port players vs 9 crows in screen and only the bottom right hand corner pair of players in the above shot have moved down the wing to be completely out of this shot.


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Houston's kick should have been a bit better and been very close to the line rather than 15m in from it, but as you say it got the desire result of a stoppage.


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If you count the players to the right of Mead who has the green boots on and he and his player was part of the 8 v 9 previous shot, then including the port and crows player inside the square near the centre of the ground and weren't part of the 8 v 9 its 9 port v 8 crows players - so there must be 1 pair of players closer to Port's goal.

This is the bail out kick we do to Charlie, but Charlie wasn't there.

I will start calling this the Dixon non-Dixons play, seeing we do it so often this year.

In the pack it was 5 v 4. Drew front and centre with his opponent. ROB with Lycett obscured and Marshall and Dodee and a step behind them a crowie and Georgiades and Ollie.


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Ok so we kill the ball and 25 seconds to go.

Marshall has sprinted back towards their goal and is top left hand corner of the picture below and you can see just his white shorts and a leg. Mayes is the 18th player ( I accounted for 17 above) sprinting from the forward line to defence and is in the corner of the centre square just to the right of the graphics. We have 14 players in this shot they have 12.

Close to the ball up its 6 v 5 and Mead doesn't have an opponent.

In 2020 and 2021, we had Voss at ground level barking orders to the players, and he would have been instructing them what to do. As I wrote in middle of 2020 season, Voss seemed to find his niche at ground level, talking to players, instructing them, encouraging them, barking orders etc.

We don't have the brightest group of players, they need all the help they can get.




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Below is one of the most stupid pieces of play I have seen in the last decade from a Port player. And it has to be pretty special to get that rating.

I have called Houston a flakey flanker and Matt Rendell put him in a group of 12 players in our best 22 when he summed up our 2021 season last September and said they are good when they have the ball in their hand but they aren't hard enough and are too flakey.

With 20 seconds to go Houston stupidly decides to soccer the ball blindly in as if we need a hail mary play to win the game. WTF possessed him to do such a stupid play??

Is he so soft he isn't prepared to take a hit to the body? Did he think he could boot it 70m?

All he had to do was bend over take a hit to the body, take a tackle and it would have resulted in a ball up as 2 or 3 players from both sides would have been in a pile up and it would have wiped 10 seconds off the clock.

Didn't he know everyone had cleared out of our forward line?? If he didn't, why did he guess we still had players there?? he wouldn't have seen anyone there.

We have a lot of dumb players. Look at the 2004 premiership side and how many players went on to be AFL coaches, state league coaches and long term assistant AFL coaches.

Apart from Robbie Gray being a forwards coach, I can't imagine any of our players being a coach given the way they play.

Our next coach has to be like Choco and Clarko, have a professional teaching background or has a proven track record of teaching players and educating them so they understand the game and make good decisions for 100% of the game, not just when the going is easy. Choco and Clarko have produced many coaches. Hinkley will produce SFA.

We need to get rid of a lot of no hopers for our club to progress to where we want it to end up.




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Agree with the soccer insane. Looking at this TJ was the kick with Mackenzie making space. Just takes effort and we didn’t put it in and got what we deserved.

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

Agree with the soccer insane. Looking at this TJ was the kick with Mackenzie making space. Just takes effort and we didn’t put it in and got what we deserved.

He could have gone to TJ, but I wouldn't have trusted him with the next kick, especially given nearly all the players had pushed to camera side of the ground when Houston was settled to kick it.

 

[rogerjames]

Our coaches and players are trying to work out how to go to the next level. ( their words not mine)
Here are my ideas:

• get a coach with football knowledge and how to develop a team based, efficient game plan that utilises individual players skills and talents
• at least get players fit for the season
• learn to kick for goal (our best is mediocre, our worst downright atrocious

( our field kicking, overhead marking and even handball at times, are only marginally better)

• use the gym to develop some upper body strength and muscle
• play 2 ruckman and don't burn out Lycett by round 6 every year
• draft only plus 195cm kp players with our early picks for the next 3 years

PS please leave Ken!

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YEP plus we need an elite Midfielder.

 

[raptalia]

Quarter time Carlton had 7 goals, that's 7 goals more than we had at quarter time last week, not to mention when Hawthorn hit the front Carlton were good enough to come back when it mattered, if only we had that sort of character.

and this from a side coached by a man we all thought had no idea when he was Port's Midfield Coach. Maybe getting away from the Hinkley influence is the answer?

 

[TeeKray]

and this from a side coached by a man we all thought had no idea when he was Port's Midfield Coach. Maybe getting away from the Hinkley influence is the answer?

Not all of us thought that

 

[ctpower]

Ports pre-season games have always been a great indication of how we will go since Hinkley took over. Shambolic pre-season & shambolic start to season. It want get much better either.

Im with you on this.
The rationale doesn’t apply to all clubs but it does to ours and gas been for a number of years.
The writing was on the wall after the Gold Coast game.
We were disorganised and not interested.

 

[RustyCage]

David King was scathing on SEN this morning. Placed the blame 100% on Ken. Said the easiest thing the coach can do at the end of a game like that is place a spare defender behind the ball. Ken didn’t do that. A defender 30m from goal straight out in front means Himmelberg doesn’t take that mark and goal, and McKenzie doesn’t need to take a mark against the flight of the ball

Very rarely do I agree with David King

 

[philreich]

Unfortunately I talk to many Port supporters that like him & want him to remain as coach. It shocks me.

"Yes the game plan has failed on 437 previous occasions. But the players will get the message eventually - please have a bit of patience."

 

[tribey]

"Yes the game plan has failed on 437 previous occasions. But the players will get the message eventually - please have a bit of patience."

Starting to see the retrospective claims the list was never good enough, in defence of Hinkley.

So,

“We were never good enough, but we’ll be good enough, if we work hard enough, and wait long enough [after 10 years]”

 

[philreich]

Starting to see the retrospective claims the list was never good enough, in defence of Hinkley.

So,

“We were never good enough, but we’ll be good enough, if we work hard enough, and wait long enough [after 10 years]”

"I promise that we'll win a flag after every one of the other 17 clubs has done so. I sincerely apologise in advance if you won't be alive to see it."

 

[Rexie J]

"I promise that we'll win a flag after every one of the other 17 clubs has done so. I sincerely apologise in advance if you won't be alive to see it."

I seriously doubt I've that many years left

 

[Contested Marx]

Did anyone hear the comments on the hill aimed at Todd Marshall

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Todd Marshall

Age

26

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.6

5star

(calling him Bruce Wayne)

And at Frederick (N Word)

 

[Doctor Feel]

Did anyone hear the comments on the hill aimed at Todd Marshall (calling him Bruce Wayne)

And at Frederick (N Word)

Jesus

 

[RussellEbertHandball]

For what its worth the Player Ratings.

Below is Marshall's graph of how he racked up 20 pts. A season average of 20 pts means you are probably ranked a Top 5 player in the league. His 2 year average is about 7 pts.

This is the strangest graph I have seen for someone who has received the top ratings. Obviously gets a lot of points for the goals he kicked and only had a handball clanger, but most guys who get the top rating get between 20 and 25 pts and have lots of disposals and a few clangers.

McEntee getting negative points doesn't surprise me. he made some terrible ball handling errors.

 

[Lawnchair Larry]

The ABC is beginning to notice now:

It might not just be something you can put down to attitude and wait to turn around. The roots might go a bit deeper than that. And if that's the case, the buck stops at one man.

West Coast is a cautionary tale for Port Adelaide. This is what it looks like if you stick fat with a defunct game plan for several years after ignoring the first warning signs.

AFL Round-Up: Comebacks and commiserations in a round of footy to remember

No lead was safe in round three as comebacks were completed and thwarted, while three winless teams face difficult but different futures. We digest the week that was.

www.abc.net.au

 

[Marmozet]

Did anyone hear the comments on the hill aimed at Todd Marshall (calling him Bruce Wayne)

And at Frederick (N Word)

I heard things like that from people that were on the hill.

Unfortunately I wouldn’t expect anything else from their supporter base.