Preview Round 5: Port Adelaide vs Carlton, Adelaide Oval, 21/04/17

[Rising Power]

A result like CDFC's back in the 2004 ($ANFL GF) would be perfect

A 1995-96 type margin would be just fine with me.

 

[Kingfish73]

As the author of that piece it was just icing on the cake of a particularly shit performance by us. While it was infuriating how bad the umpiring was that day, check out the other clip I put together which as far as I was concerned at the time was worse.

Yeah we played as bad as the umpiring that day.... that Ebert clanger and then stopping his run back into defence was not his best moment

 

[Coobk001]

I think we're on the level of Adelaide and GWS, and will end up better than both by the end of the year.

We really aren't. We are clearly in amongst that next rung down, even you must accept this. Maybe, just maybe by the end of the year we could improve, but for now we are definitely not on that level.

 

[TeeKray]

We really aren't. We are clearly in amongst that next rung down, even you must accept this. Maybe, just maybe by the end of the year we could improve, but for now we are definitely not on that level.

I don't get it.

Last year we went 1-9 against top 8 teams and 9-3 against bottom 10 teams. This year we are 0-2 against top 8 teams and 2-0 against bottom 10 teams. We pretty clearly present as a mid table challenger for finals but not much more.

We could improve and surprise a few as the season goes on but talk of us being anywhere close to on par with the best teams in the league is crazy.

 

[manureid]

If bloody Kreuzer dominates us again I will be livid.

 

[Tibbs]

We really aren't. We are clearly in amongst that next rung down, even you must accept this. Maybe, just maybe by the end of the year we could improve, but for now we are definitely not on that level.

IMO, individual talent-wise we match and surpass the Crows and Geelong, but are behind GWS. Playing as a team-wise, we are a long way behind all three! Our coaching, selections, and tactics, are lagging all three as well.

That being said, despite that significant discrepancy, we were not all that far behind them, so our potential for improvement is significant! It's now up to the players to play to their abilities, and coaches to click and get it right.

 

[Humdot]

We'll win this one

 

[Janus]

We really aren't. We are clearly in amongst that next rung down, even you must accept this. Maybe, just maybe by the end of the year we could improve, but for now we are definitely not on that level.

Guess our captain is crazy too

"There is no doubt we have played the two best sides in the competition over the last couple weeks," Boak said.

"What we have learnt is we're capable of matching it with the best sides in the competition.

"We were right in the game until three-quarter time or halfway through the last quarter in both games.

"We've just cost ourselves in some areas and didn't make the most of our opportunities when we had the momentum.

"I'm happy the way we're progressing as a group and with the start we've had."

Boak doesn't think we're "clearly" in amongst the next rung down. He thinks, as I do, that it was our mistakes and inability to take advantage when we had opportunities that cost us against Adelaide and GWS. We had our chances to win against both.

 

[Coobk001]

Guess our captain is crazy too

"There is no doubt we have played the two best sides in the competition over the last couple weeks," Boak said.

"What we have learnt is we're capable of matching it with the best sides in the competition.

"We were right in the game until three-quarter time or halfway through the last quarter in both games.

"We've just cost ourselves in some areas and didn't make the most of our opportunities when we had the momentum.

"I'm happy the way we're progressing as a group and with the start we've had."

Boak doesn't think we're "clearly" in amongst the next rung down. He thinks, as I do, that it was our mistakes and inability to take advantage when we had opportunities that cost us against Adelaide and GWS. We had our chances to win against both.

So because one of the 50-60 guys at the club who actually have to think and believe we aren't in the next rung down, believes that we are actually top shelf, then we should all just take it as gospel?

What's he supposed to say. Yeah we just aren't that good. We tried to beat them but their class, ability and game plans eventually broke through us. But we'll be happy to just be a mid table side this year....

Yeah the fans are going to love that.

He is saying the right things, but just because he's selling hope doesn't make him right. The rest of us on the outside however should be smart enough to understand where we actually are, and what he's saying is just spin.

You can believe what you want, and listen blindly to whomever you choose, however the fact is we aren't on the level of the Crows or GWS yet, and living in denial of that or being content with where we are isn't going to help push us to becoming a better side, and unfortunately we need to get significantly better to get to that level.

 

[bos10]

So because one of the 50-60 guys at the club who actually have to think and believe we aren't in the next rung down, believes that we are actually top shelf, then we should all just take it as gospel?

What's he supposed to say. Yeah we just aren't that good. We tried to beat them but their class, ability and game plans eventually broke through us. But we'll be happy to just be a mid table side this year....

Yeah the fans are going to love that.

He is saying the right things, but just because he's selling hope doesn't make him right. The rest of us on the outside however should be smart enough to understand where we actually are, and what he's saying is just spin.

You can believe what you want, and listen blindly to whomever you choose, however the fact is we aren't on the level of the Crows or GWS yet, and living in denial of that or being content with where we are isn't going to help push us to becoming a better side, and unfortunately we need to get significantly better to get to that level.

I kinda think you're both right. We're not as good as them at the moment - that was proved over the last two weeks.

I do however think we're not that far away and that we have a lot of improvement in us over the year. By the end of the season we might be a chance! Let's hope the season unfolds like that!

 

[Andre]

I kinda think you're both right. We're not as good as them at the moment - that was proved over the last two weeks.

I do however think we're not that far away and that we have a lot of improvement in us over the year. By the end of the season we might be a chance! Let's hope the season unfolds like that!

We lack depth in key areas. I think with the right structures *cough* selections *cough* and all our best players available, then if we play 4 quarters we can match anyone. We don't have the depth to cover many injuries and when we get them our structures go to shit, so odds are against going beyond mid-table.

 

[1954]

Re suggestions the Power could be the equal of gws and the crers.

On for example a personnel basis, the Power midfield should probably perform better than that of the tingles, but it hasn't, and we can't argue that we didn't have our best ruckman available for the showdown.

Maybe it's a structural thing, ie coaching, game plan, team selections, or even a combination of all three.

 

[ozph1870]

I don't get it.

Last year we went 1-9 against top 8 teams and 9-3 against bottom 10 teams. This year we are 0-2 against top 8 teams and 2-0 against bottom 10 teams. We pretty clearly present as a mid table challenger for finals but not much more.

We could improve and surprise a few as the season goes on but talk of us being anywhere close to on par with the best teams in the league is crazy.

In fairness the top 2 teams to make the gf are gws and the crows, the two teams we have played the last 2 weeks, we aren't there yet, or at geelong or maybe bulldogs level, but I'd say we are in the range from richmond to wherever fighting it out for the rest of the spots in the 8 and I'd be confident against most we could get the job done. Time will tell...

 

[Schulzenfest]

Boak doesn't think we're "clearly" in amongst the next rung down. He thinks, as I do, that it was our mistakes and inability to take advantage when we had opportunities that cost us against Adelaide and GWS. We had our chances to win against both.

What the hell is this crap? 'They're not better than us, we just make more mistakes and don't have the ability to take advantage of opportunities'.

The Crows and GWS make less mistakes. The Crows and GWS do have the ability to take advantage of opportunities. That's exactly why they're better than us.

 

[Magus]

The Crows and GWS also have more settled sides than we do.
Continuity and consistency is brought on by having the same players play together under the same plan for a period of time.

As far as this "only beating two bottom sides" and "losing to two top 8 teams" we've only played 4 games FFS. We didnt beat any of those 4 teams last year, so really we're a 50% better team than last year.

Talking about who is and who isn't a top 8 side after 4 rounds is stupid.

 

[OneGreatClub]

What the hell is this crap? 'They're not better than us, we just make more mistakes and don't have the ability to take advantage of opportunities'.

The Crows and GWS make less mistakes. The Crows and GWS do have the ability to take advantage of opportunities. That's exactly why they're better than us.

As Crows have said, their core group have played at least 50 consistent games together. They are primed. Still it's a long season and if they lost Betts Jacobs etc for a good part of the season it could hurt them.

 

[Janus]

So because one of the 50-60 guys at the club who actually have to think and believe we aren't in the next rung down, believes that we are actually top shelf, then we should all just take it as gospel?

What's he supposed to say. Yeah we just aren't that good. We tried to beat them but their class, ability and game plans eventually broke through us. But we'll be happy to just be a mid table side this year....

Yeah the fans are going to love that.

He is saying the right things, but just because he's selling hope doesn't make him right. The rest of us on the outside however should be smart enough to understand where we actually are, and what he's saying is just spin.

You can believe what you want, and listen blindly to whomever you choose, however the fact is we aren't on the level of the Crows or GWS yet, and living in denial of that or being content with where we are isn't going to help push us to becoming a better side, and unfortunately we need to get significantly better to get to that level.

Who is content with where we are? We've got miles to go before we get to the side we can be.

We're closer to top shelf than we are to middle shelf, I promise you that. Not as good as Adelaide and GWS with our main interceptor and/or main ruck missing, granted. No one is denying that. But on the podium. You take Mumford and Davis out of GWS and give us Ryder and Hombsch and who wins? You take Talia out of Adelaide and give us Hombsch, enabling us to push Trengove forward, and who wins?

Any team is going to struggle against a contender when key players are missing.

All we need IS belief. That's the only difference between where those teams are and where we are now. Every game we play, we grow stronger. We can and will be good enough.

I don't listen to anyone. I attempt to find out the reason why things that seem unreasonable to one person are reasonable to another. And I don't assume that just because something is, means that it always must.

What the hell is this crap? 'They're not better than us, we just make more mistakes and don't have the ability to take advantage of opportunities'.

The Crows and GWS make less mistakes. The Crows and GWS do have the ability to take advantage of opportunities. That's exactly why they're better than us.

I said that it was our mistakes and inability to take advantage when we had opportunities. I never said we make more. Adelaide and GWS make just as many mistakes as we do, we just didn't punish them for it. All opportunities are borne from mistakes by the opposition, forced or unforced.

 

[Jonts]

If bloody Kreuzer dominates us again I will be livid.

Carlton board says he is a possible out

 

[Marmozet]

Somebody made a good point to me once that of all the good games Matthew Kreuzer has played in his career, they both happened to be against Port Adelaide.

 

[Garibaldi Red]

The Crows and GWS also have more settled sides than we do.
Continuity and consistency is brought on by having the same players play together under the same plan for a period of time.

As far as this "only beating two bottom sides" and "losing to two top 8 teams" we've only played 4 games FFS. We didnt beat any of those 4 teams last year, so really we're a 50% better team than last year.

Talking about who is and who isn't a top 8 side after 4 rounds is stupid.

If we didn't beat any of those sides last year are we infinitely better?

 

[SamGray66]

What the hell is this crap? 'They're not better than us, we just make more mistakes and don't have the ability to take advantage of opportunities'.

The Crows and GWS make less mistakes. The Crows and GWS do have the ability to take advantage of opportunities. That's exactly why they're better than us.

 

[philreich]

What the hell is this crap? 'They're not better than us, we just make more mistakes and don't have the ability to take advantage of opportunities'.

The Crows and GWS make less mistakes. The Crows and GWS do have the ability to take advantage of opportunities. That's exactly why they're better than us.

Yeah the best teams make you pay for any lapses, while middle of the road sides often don't. We needed to take our chances in the last 2 weeks to have any chance of pulling off an upset.

 

[NEGAN]

Who is content with where we are? We've got miles to go before we get to the side we can be.

We're closer to top shelf than we are to middle shelf, I promise you that. Not as good as Adelaide and GWS with our main interceptor and/or main ruck missing, granted. No one is denying that. But on the podium. You take Mumford and Davis out of GWS and give us Ryder and Hombsch and who wins? You take Talia out of Adelaide and give us Hombsch, enabling us to push Trengove forward, and who wins?

Any team is going to struggle against a contender when key players are missing.

All we need IS belief. That's the only difference between where those teams are and where we are now. Every game we play, we grow stronger. We can and will be good enough.

I don't listen to anyone. I attempt to find out the reason why things that seem unreasonable to one person are reasonable to another. And I don't assume that just because something is, means that it always must.



I said that it was our mistakes and inability to take advantage when we had opportunities. I never said we make more. Adelaide and GWS make just as many mistakes as we do, we just didn't punish them for it. All opportunities are borne from mistakes by the opposition, forced or unforced.

I would also add our best players never seem to fire at the same time eg. Gray Wingard

 

[Greasyrhys]

Carlton board says he is a possible out

I bloody hope so, I nearly hate him as much as most of the cows players!!!

 

[Greasyrhys]

I know you love Centrals but you could have put up a vid that all of us could like. Like Port vs Carlton 2014.

Here you go