Autopsy Round 6, 2024: St Kilda v Western Bulldogs
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Don't believe any of this talk about a "rebuild".
What we will be doing is what every club does every season - turns over a portion of their list in the search for players either through the draft or trade.
Might have a different focus because of a different coach but it isn't a "rebuild"
We have 22 players OOC at the end of the season, so like nearly every year we will turn over 6 to 10 players.
I've had a quick look through the OOC and I reckon 10 are certain to get a new offer, another 4 or 6 likely to get an offer (likes of Membrey, Ross, Webster, Paton, Hayes, Butler, Jones, McLennan, Hotton, Heath etc).
That leaves Campbell, Allison as the most likely automatic delistings along with whoever misses out in the above group.
Hardly a rebuild and certainly not a hard rebuild (unless we plan on trading the likes of Marshall, Steele or King for multiple first round picks or some mega trade)
What we will be doing is what every club does every season - turns over a portion of their list in the search for players either through the draft or trade.
Might have a different focus because of a different coach but it isn't a "rebuild"
We have 22 players OOC at the end of the season, so like nearly every year we will turn over 6 to 10 players.
I've had a quick look through the OOC and I reckon 10 are certain to get a new offer, another 4 or 6 likely to get an offer (likes of Membrey, Ross, Webster, Paton, Hayes, Butler, Jones, McLennan, Hotton, Heath etc).
That leaves Campbell, Allison as the most likely automatic delistings along with whoever misses out in the above group.
Hardly a rebuild and certainly not a hard rebuild (unless we plan on trading the likes of Marshall, Steele or King for multiple first round picks or some mega trade)
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It’s been the perfect storm of negative s to begin this season when you think about it .
Game style was built to defend without the ball then spread with it .
Yet 2 games at freaky narrow grounds
Injuries to the best thing that’s happened to this list in Henry and another runner Wood .
2 x 5 day breaks and interstate games all over the place .
Bleeding games into Bonner but now realizing he’s not a defender at all , and because Webster had a brain fade and a record suspension.
Suspensions to king ( prob cost us that game ) and others for SFA.
Injuries to midfield extractors in crouch , Clark and Dow . Therefore midfield is still barely functioning.
Mitch owens lacking confidence or the ability to kick for goal . Repeat King ,higgins. No butler.
I’m surprised we ve won a game to be honest . Reverse all of the above or even a few of them and we’d be way better off . If we can get to 5/5 after games to hawks , Roos then freo at Marvel we could turn things around .
Game style was built to defend without the ball then spread with it .
Yet 2 games at freaky narrow grounds
Injuries to the best thing that’s happened to this list in Henry and another runner Wood .
2 x 5 day breaks and interstate games all over the place .
Bleeding games into Bonner but now realizing he’s not a defender at all , and because Webster had a brain fade and a record suspension.
Suspensions to king ( prob cost us that game ) and others for SFA.
Injuries to midfield extractors in crouch , Clark and Dow . Therefore midfield is still barely functioning.
Mitch owens lacking confidence or the ability to kick for goal . Repeat King ,higgins. No butler.
I’m surprised we ve won a game to be honest . Reverse all of the above or even a few of them and we’d be way better off . If we can get to 5/5 after games to hawks , Roos then freo at Marvel we could turn things around .
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Depends on how we bounce back. Could see us lose confidence and momentum and finish bottom 4. We have 5 winnable games left and then need to knock a few better sides off.
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We have 2 extra days to freshen up. Imo the players looked collectively fatigued apart from the couple who didn't play all 3 of last games.
We'll win next week, you'll see
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Good call there Tyrian re the 2 extra days.
I keep thinking of 2020......where we beat both Port and Adelaide within a week.
I'm probably very delusional as well.
Honestly couldn’t disagree more he’s given almost everyone a chance bar Owens.
He said it pre game last night on the radio.
That’s why despite people seeing him
Not getting touches , he is doing something very valuable.
Why should we not be relying on our older guys to lift standards.
Wilkie
Sinclair
Steele
Marshall
Literally every team has their experienced guys setting standards.
Also arguably our best guys were Wilson windy and Garcia so I think your wrong on this point.
Amazing that people ( supporters ) always think its the superstars of the game they should have coaching, while its the McQualters, Lyons, Clarkson, Scott's who are best at it.
Maybe the ultra talented people don't have to think about the game too much while playing it, while the more mundane types have to constantly think about anything that could give them an advantage.
James Hird went to coach Essendon remember.
Although i'm trying to drink it from my memory, i believe that Garcia played a role in that ... Great tap, perfect kick to opposition, 50m away, goal to opposition, that i saw at the very start of that thing i'm trying to blot from my memory.
I think Garcia will be a good player. Right now he's a live wire bundle of AFL energy.
Wondering if Silvani might be a good depth pick up next year? Back from an ACL, looks surplus to Carlton's requirement likely wouldn't cost much.
If we are farked 3/4 of the way through THIS year with players back Ross will be under pressure??so what? He’s accountable and should be.
Will they sack him? No
So what’s your point?
- Mar 14, 2011
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We aren’t a contender. Which means we need to add to get there. With a huge need for an inside mid. Key back. Ruck/forward.
Our current draft assets for 2024:
Stkilda first round pick
Adelaide second round pick
Melbourne third rounder
A 4th rounder.
So based on your thinking we are 2-6 picks short of replacing the players we exit.
That then means we need to trade players for picks.
Looking at the out of contract list of players who may be desirable at other clubs:
Howard
Butler
Sharman
Membrey ?
Paton
Jones ?
All would then leave a hole for us and none bar Howard at a reach would give us a decent pick.
You could even say Hunter Clark. But still we are talking a second rounder at best. (Assuming after what seems like 4 injury interrupted seasons he wants a fresh start)
The plus for us is that we have mammoth cap space. So, could we buy a pick?
Looking at what’s still available in terms of OOC:
Bailey smith (apparently Collingwood)
Hugh McCluggage (Gun, can’t see him leaving - would be 27 round 1 25’)
Max Holmes (Perfect fit, would he leave a side looking at playing finals again)
Ollie florent (just can’t see what issues he fixes for us)
Tarryn Thomas (ticks all boxes for needs. Personality is a huge cross)
Other names we could try for that wouldn’t move the needle:
Jordan Berry
Liam Duggan
Ned Moyle
If our season looks shot by the bye. A blooding of whatever youth we have left should be the priority with an eye on the best pick possible.
As it then opens up the possibility of pick splitting to acquire more talent.
But what is clearly evident is that we are going to have to cut hard to go to the draft again in a meaningful way. Otherwise we tread water hoping for further internal development.
Why do you think Tarryn ticks all the boxes. He's just another general mid, not a great clearence player. No better ( long term ) than Windhager.
Can't see the Cats doing great in finals, when they have to play strong teams away from their kiddy park.
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He is a very good young mid that actually hurts sides forward of the centre. Supremely skilled and massively athletic.
Also about 190cm.
He's not overly contested, and given that Henry tracks ok, do we need another, anti-social version?
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Are we filled with so much talent we can turn our noses up at a blue chip talent (who has massive personal tissues) that is free to a good home?
His talent overlaps with what we already have, without addressing what we are lacking.
INSIDE mids.
We held our own for most of the game, except for a couple of short patches.
At 3:52 into the third quarter the score read 17.6.107 to the mighty Saints, 4.6.30.
It is just 77 points in just over a half of football.
But we controlled the scoreboard outside those poor patches.
All in all, nothing to worry about.
At 3:52 into the third quarter the score read 17.6.107 to the mighty Saints, 4.6.30.
It is just 77 points in just over a half of football.
But we controlled the scoreboard outside those poor patches.
All in all, nothing to worry about.
Gringo why haven't they given Owens the inside mid role - it is doing my head in - he wins contested ball better than anyone in the team but the still go with Ross , are they that stupid or what.
Owens - but why don't they use him
