Preview Round 9, 2023: Brisbane Lions vs. Essendon Bombers, Saturday 13th May, 7:25. Gabba

[Elixuh]

Only very light showers predicted throughout the day - don't think it'll impact the quality of the match much more than the usual Saturday night Gabba dew would.

 

[M Malice]

We need Andrews and Cameron to stay injury free. They're two players who are important and hard to replace.

We should expect the likes of Clug ,Bailey and Rayner to step it up each week. We haven't got what you'd call a real weakness at present. I'd like our rucks to be better ,I'd love a big marking target in the forward line ,the wings have been an ongoing dilemma, but none of that should stop us too much provided the list remains healthy.

I was thinking about this the other day ie. who are the players we could least afford to lose come finals time and they were the 2 I thought of as well.

Charlie has added consistent defensive pressure to his bow now, he has become the complete package as a small forward... elite.

Harris so important to our defensive structure, Jack Payne pretty important as well with our thin depth re KPDs.

Of the others I think Josh Dunkley as he has set the standard for 2 way running at the club, such an inspirational player.

 

[Dalions]

I was thinking about this the other day ie. who are the players we could least afford to lose come finals time and they were the 2 I thought of as well.

Charlie has added consistent defensive pressure to his bow now, he has become the complete package as a small forward... elite.

Harris so important to our defensive structure, Jack Payne pretty important as well with our thin depth re KPDs.

Of the others I think Josh Dunkley as he has set the standard for 2 way running at the club, such an inspirational player.

Charlie has pretty much become the perfect small forward.
He had the pressure game at Adelaide, swapped that for goals until last year here in Brisbane but now that he has both he is the best small forward in the game by a long shot. Pretty much irreplaceable.

The pressure that Dunkley applies in the midfield is as good as anyone’s.
And we most definitely don’t have anybody in the squad that could come near to replacing that sort of pressure.

And the 2 key in defence, things would become very tough without them even without one of them we would be so worse off.

So I agree that these are the four that we could least do without.

 

[On the quiet]

Gardiner not an automatic in for me. Back line is doing really well, leave it!!

don't disagree, would only be playing Gardiner if 100% fit and I believed this last year, but no doubt in my mind now, Gardiner is behind Payne and is competing with Joyce and probably Lester for that 3rd tall.

 

[FeastOrFamine]

Gardiner isn't required at the moment. Give him time to build form and confidence in his body in the two's. I'd say he's a better player than Lester, but at the moment Lester has been playing well and overall I don't see a need for us to meddle with a defensive unit which is humming along nicely.

 

[Nunez]

Charlie has pretty much become the perfect small forward.
He had the pressure game at Adelaide, swapped that for goals until last year here in Brisbane but now that he has both he is the best small forward in the game by a long shot. Pretty much irreplaceable.

The pressure that Dunkley applies in the midfield is as good as anyone’s.
And we most definitely don’t have anybody in the squad that could come near to replacing that sort of pressure.

And the 2 key in defence, things would become very tough without them even without one of them we would be so worse off.

So I agree that these are the four that we could least do without.

If he stays fit, I think he could end up having one of the all time great seasons for a small forward.

 

[rye]

charlie should already be a 3x AA. kind of criminal he only has 1 blazer

 

[M Malice]

If he stays fit, I think he could end up having one of the all time great seasons for a small forward.

Charlie in this form consistently is as good as if not better than peak Cyril Rioli who I thought was sensational.

 

[M Malice]

Please no assaulting any Essendon Uncles this Saturday night... lets be civilized people.

If you're finding it hard to restrain yourself physically, give them a Boo.

 

[Elixuh]

Please no assaulting any Essendon Uncles this Saturday night... lets be civilized people.

If you're finding it hard to restrain yourself physically, give them a Boo.

But I’ve polished my knuckle dusters and everything

 

[Section 5]

In The Mix Article from AFL

All eyes will be on former skipper Dayne Zorko as he makes a bid to be available to face Essendon at the Gabba on Saturday night. Zorko missed last Friday's win over Carlton with a hamstring injury, but trained well in Tuesday's light session and is a chance to return. Jarryd Lyons excelled in the VFL against the Blues and continues to press, while Deven Robertson and Cal Ah Chee also keep the pressure on the top team. – Michael Whiting

R8 sub: Jarryd Lyons (replaced Keidean Coleman)

The Bombers will be without Jordan Ridley (concussion) for their trip to Brisbane in what is a massive blow to a defence already hit by injuries. Zach Reid (hamstring) won't be available after his latest setback and Jayden Laverde (shoulder) is already sidelined, meaning Kaine Baldwin or Rhett Montgomerie shape as potential inclusions. Sam Durham is back from suspension in some good news for Essendon. Alwyn Davey jnr (nine disposals) and Nick Hind (11) were quiet against Port Adelaide, while Nick Bryan (14 disposals and 46 hitouts), Montgomerie (24 and 11 marks), Massimo D'Ambrosio (24) and Will Snelling (19 and 10 tackles) were among the Bombers' best in the VFL and Tex Wanganeen kicked two goals. – Dejan Kalinic

R8 sub: Jye Menzie (replaced Jordan Ridley

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Jordan Ridley

Age

26

Ht

195cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

15.6

4star

K

11.1

4star

HB

4.5

3star

M

6.4

5star

T

1.7

4star

MG

244.8

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

11.9

5star

HB

5.1

3star

M

6.7

5star

T

1.7

3star

MG

265.4

4star

D

13.8

4star

K

9.6

4star

HB

4.2

4star

M

5.2

5star

T

1.4

4star

MG

208.2

4star

)

 

[Dizzle]

That's not a light Dew, that's a heavy Dew.

 

[Section 5]

Lions player that flew under the radar last round according to champion data.
I agree completely.
It was Jarrod's best wing game this year.
He did a good inside mid job v Demons and was also good v Pies but this was better.
Hopefully lots more to come.

Jarrod Berry (Brisbane)

“We’ll start with Jarrod Berry

7

Jarrod Berry

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

.

“Jarrod Berry

7

Jarrod Berry

Age

26

Ht

192cm

Wt

89kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.4

4star

K

8.5

3star

HB

8.9

5star

M

3.9

4star

T

4.2

5star

CL

2.7

4star

D

17.0

4star

K

9.4

4star

HB

7.6

4star

M

3.6

4star

T

5.1

5star

CL

2.9

4star

D

10.6

3star

K

4.4

2star

HB

6.2

4star

M

1.8

2star

T

2.8

5star

CL

0.8

3star

didn't get a vote from the coaches (against Carlton), but we had him as the fourth highest rated player on the ground.

“He had 29 disposals, which is the second most of his career.

“But not just the disposals, it was the impact that he had with ball in hand.

“He was playing more of an outside game, he only had the six contested possessions, but his ball use on Friday night was superb.”

 

[Nathan Barley]

Lions player that flew under the radar last round according to champion data.
I agree completely.
It was Jarrod's best wing game this year.
He did a good inside mid job v Demons and was also good v Pies but this was better.
Hopefully lots more to come.

Jarrod Berry (Brisbane)

“We’ll start with Jarrod Berry.

“Jarrod Berry didn't get a vote from the coaches (against Carlton), but we had him as the fourth highest rated player on the ground.

“He had 29 disposals, which is the second most of his career.

“But not just the disposals, it was the impact that he had with ball in hand.

“He was playing more of an outside game, he only had the six contested possessions, but his ball use on Friday night was superb.”

I considered him for votes but my issue was that Carltons 2 wingers probably had at least as much influence as he had so his net impact on the game probably wasn't great

 

[SizeMatters]

The problem with berry is he’ll have one good game every month and 3 average games. But what a luxury to have a tall winger who can win his own ball, can tag the games best mids and play inside if required. Unsure about the foot skills part but had a good game for sure.

But I’m saying that I felt the blues wingers were a bit more damaging when they got the ball and were in very good attacking positions however were definitely a bet negative for the Blues. Soft af and while they did some defensive running to fill space they were useless when required to win the ball or compete body on body. Spuds.

 

[LongLion]

Charlie in this form consistently is as good as if not better than peak Cyril Rioli who I thought was sensational.

Cyril was more of a highlight package. Loved him as a player. Think Charlie is better though.

 

[KissKiss]

Lions player that flew under the radar last round according to champion data.
I agree completely.
It was Jarrod's best wing game this year.
He did a good inside mid job v Demons and was also good v Pies but this was better.
Hopefully lots more to come.

Jarrod Berry (Brisbane)

“We’ll start with Jarrod Berry.

“Jarrod Berry didn't get a vote from the coaches (against Carlton), but we had him as the fourth highest rated player on the ground.

“He had 29 disposals, which is the second most of his career.

“But not just the disposals, it was the impact that he had with ball in hand.

“He was playing more of an outside game, he only had the six contested possessions, but his ball use on Friday night was superb.”

I dont disagree with Berry having a good game but in them rating his game but also saying that Dunkley had one of the worst games doesnt stack up with me

 

[M Malice]

Cyril was more of a highlight package. Loved him as a player. Think Charlie is better though.

I had a look at their career statistics on footywire, it is remarkably similar.

Cyril played 189 games, Charlie is now at 184 games, a few relevant stats >

Goals- Charlie 327, Cyril 275.
Tackles- Charlie 552, Cyril 860.
Disposals average- Charlie 11.6, Cyril 15.1.

Backs up that Cyril was a better defensive pressure player, Charlie really upping that area of his game now though, if he keeps that up for a sustained period I definitely agree with you.

 

[DERRINALPHIL]

I considered him for votes but my issue was that Carltons 2 wingers probably had at least as much influence as he had so his net impact on the game probably wasn't great

Rather unusual for someone to consider who a midfielder played on when deciding best players. I only give midfielders votes when I can be sure they have beaten the multiple opponents they have played on that match which means they don't get many votes from me. Berry missed in my voting because I took no notice of who he was playing on.

It's like the public service where they move people around so when the s..t hits the fan, no one can say who exactly was to blame for the stuff up.

 

[buttermuffs]

I dont disagree with Berry having a good game but in them rating his game but also saying that Dunkley had one of the worst games doesnt stack up with me

I’m the end the rating system is done through the statistics recorded and that means there’s always going to be ways to game the system or where the systems games you.

Kinda like when you’re in an argument with someone and they bring out a five page hypothetical that has no basis in reality to try and disprove you. Sure they may be technically correct but when looked at closer it’s obviously bullshit. There’s always going to be players that do things that hit all the right buttons for the ratings and players who don’t.

Mitch Owens is a perfect example. He is rated in the top ten players by Champion Data with the rest actually being players who deserves to be in the conversation. He’s be good but anyone who actually watches games know that he’s not top ten. The opposite can be said for Dunkley.

Also apparently goal accuracy has a massive effect on the ratings which is why Jezza isn’t higher. Dunkley missed an snap with no pressure and kicked another out on the full so I feel like that did no favours for his player rating.

Jarrod Berry like the article said had many disposals and most were effective. Considering this is probably the same reason Hugh was rated as the top winger for the past four years (high disposal numbers and efficiency though no doubting he was one of the best wingman) it makes a lot more sense why he got a rating so high.

 

[LongLion]

I had a look at their career statistics on footywire, it is remarkably similar.

Cyril played 189 games, Charlie is now at 184 games, a few relevant stats >

Goals- Charlie 327, Cyril 275.
Tackles- Charlie 552, Cyril 860.
Disposals average- Charlie 11.6, Cyril 15.1.

Backs up that Cyril was a better defensive pressure player, Charlie really upping that area of his game now though, if he keeps that up for a sustained period I definitely agree with you.

Cyril's tackling clearly a huge strength and I remember him regularly stripping the ball in tackles with goals resulting.

 

[Section 5]

CBA's from both teams. TOTALS- Lions 28 Bombers 29
From DFS Australia

I would prefer Zorko has another week off.
However, if he comes back in maybe they consider giving young Ashcroft a break.
Then back again to play the 2 games before the bye.

 

[BrainOfMorbius]

I saw someone on the Bombers' board saying Charlie Cameron

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Charlie Cameron

Age

30

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

had never really troubled Essendon too much before, and I thought it was an assertion worth fact checking. Here's Charlie's record for Brisbane against each team, sorted by goal kicking accuracy.



As you can see, not only has Charlie kicked fewer goals against Essendon than anyone other than Sydney, he's also been the least accurate! 53% of shots are goals, down from his Lions career average of 67%. So well done Bomber fan, you were dead right. I'm backing Charlie to set this factoid straight the other way by Sunday morning

(By the way, check out those stats against the Pies and Bulldogs, phwooar)

 

[Dalions]

I’m the end the rating system is done through the statistics recorded and that means there’s always going to be ways to game the system or where the systems games you.

Kinda like when you’re in an argument with someone and they bring out a five page hypothetical that has no basis in reality to try and disprove you. Sure they may be technically correct but when looked at closer it’s obviously bullshit. There’s always going to be players that do things that hit all the right buttons for the ratings and players who don’t.

Mitch Owens is a perfect example. He is rated in the top ten players by Champion Data with the rest actually being players who deserves to be in the conversation. He’s be good but anyone who actually watches games know that he’s not top ten. The opposite can be said for Dunkley.

Also apparently goal accuracy has a massive effect on the ratings which is why Jezza isn’t higher. Dunkley missed an snap with no pressure and kicked another out on the full so I feel like that did no favours for his player rating.

Jarrod Berry like the article said had many disposals and most were effective. Considering this is probably the same reason Hugh was rated as the top winger for the past four years (high disposal numbers and efficiency though no doubting he was one of the best wingman) it makes a lot more sense why he got a rating so high.

This episode of the ESPN podcast explains the Dunkley rating for the Carlton game.
A lot of negative scoring kicks and handballs.

 

[Lazza16]

Joe on 7news sport Melb tonight