Round 9 Trades

[DKS17]

I have reversed trades probably 100 times this week and while my end decision is probably going to rest on team selection i have narrowed it down to 3 possible trades

option 1
M Wright> Thurlow(via goodes dpp)
Goodes to Jack
$32k left

That would leave me with thurlow, vlasutin and terlich on the field in my backs but give me a starting midfield of
watson, GAJ, swan, pendles, cotchin, o'meara, dangerfield and jack/swallow

Im torn between jack and swallow, swallow still has a bit to drop this week while jack has a low BE. My intention it to trade both of them in to complete my midfield so depending on who i went this week i would have to wait until after the rd 12 bye to trade the other in unless i traded o'meara early (i wanted to wait until at least rd 12 to do this)

Option 2
M Wright> Thurlow (via Goodes)
Stevenson> Waters
Starting Backline would be Hartlett, Birchall, Goddard, Vlasutin, Terlich and Waters
Cash $43k

West coast are playing GWS so im thinking waters could score quite well and he seems like a good POD as he is owned by relatively few teams. I could then go mayes> staker and Goodes to Swallow next week (wouldn't be able to afford jack)

Option 3
Stevenson> Thurlow
Wright/Mayes> Webster (via goodes)
Cash $310k

After downgrading another cash cow to staker next week i would have a fair bit of cash to make upgrade over the coming weeks but im not sure whether to forgo the extra points i would likely make this week from upgrading or chase the cash and hope to make up the points later on.

 

[Lunatic Fringe]

Mate if you feel like having a ping, then please learn to spell at a minimum of a 3rd grade level. It's quite embarrassing unfortunately for yourself.

Congratulations on achieving such a high level of irony by deliberately riddling your flame with childlike grammatical errors yourself. I am in awe.

As amazingjoshy pointed out, it depends whether you were able to use the money any better.

This week's overall leader doesn't have Swan, but then you have to go down to the 23rd ranked team to find the next team without him. Doesn't exactly confirm that it was a great advantage to leave him out.

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Mate if you feel like having a ping, then please learn to spell at a minimum of a 3rd grade level. It's quite embarrassing unfortunately for yourself.

On the point of Swan, he has dropped 117k and will most likely drop another 15-20k. This is 135k that I have over the majority of the competition to upgrade earlier to other players as well as having Swan at a cheaper price very soon. With 2 trades a week, DT has become more of a stock market where you always look for that extra cash boost as that's the only way to get an advantage on others. Sadly for yourself a 3rd grader can't see that.

I'm typing on my phone you arrogant little upstart, I guarentee, guarentee I am better than you in every aspect of your life, so use some of your limited mind to easilly dissect what I MEANT to type and then respond to that rather than going down the path you took, of calling out spelling and grammar - the sure fire sign of someone who likes to think they are smart when in reality anyone with a base level of intelligence can analyse the text on their own.


What you're not taking into account is the deflation of premiums, the magic number is increasing so even if Swan averaged the same he would have lost cash because of the way dt is programmed. Did you even know that?

Goodes, Pittard, Stevenson (Heath, Terlich)
Wines, O'Meara, Jones, Viney (Kommer, Whitfield)
Blicavs
Dwyer (Maccaffer, Neade)

Is around the best rookie lineup to have started with this season, with all those cheap players there is enough cash to get any premiums you want.. including Swan the fourth heighest average in the game.

If you "invested" that cash more "wisely" all you'd be doing is turning one of those rookies into a mid pricer like a Lucas or a Karnezis and all of those rookies are better options in terms of cash generation and average points.

JJK is the only mid pricer this year who has been worth it straight from the start so far

So take yourself back to the fourth grade - seeing as how you scoff so much at the third grade, and admit that starting with GAJ and Swan is still worth it because it is.

You can use the "lost money" argument with people like Watson and Cotchin because theyre not averaging in the top 10 and obviously starting with Kornes or Scooter is better than Watson and Cotchin but you can't do it with Swan and GAJ

 

[Premiumtrim]

I'm typing on my phone you arrogant little upstart, I guarentee, guarentee I am better than you in every aspect of your life, so use some of your limited mind to easilly dissect what I MEANT to type and then respond to that rather than going down the path you took, of calling out spelling and grammar - the sure fire sign of someone who likes to think they are smart when in reality anyone with a base level of intelligence can analyse the text on their own.


What you're not taking into account is the deflation of premiums, the magic number is increasing so even if Swan averaged the same he would have lost cash because of the way dt is programmed. Did you even know that?

Goodes, Pittard, Stevenson (Heath, Terlich)
Wines, O'Meara, Jones, Viney (Kommer, Whitfield)
Blicavs
Dwyer (Maccaffer, Neade)

Is around the best rookie lineup to have started with this season, with all those cheap players there is enough cash to get any premiums you want.. including Swan the fourth heighest average in the game.

If you "invested" that cash more "wisely" all you'd be doing is turning one of those rookies into a mid pricer like a Lucas or a Karnezis and all of those rookies are better options in terms of cash generation and average points.

JJK is the only mid pricer this year who has been worth it straight from the start so far

So take yourself back to the fourth grade - seeing as how you scoff so much at the third grade, and admit that starting with GAJ and Swan is still worth it because it is.

You can use the "lost money" argument with people like Watson and Cotchin because theyre not averaging in the top 10 and obviously starting with Kornes or Scooter is better than Watson and Cotchin but you can't do it with Swan and GAJ

There is no relevance in a hypothetical. "If Swan averaged the same he would have lost cash", fact is he has lost 117k already. You're telling me you knew Swan would lose cash due to the magic number, yet you still opted to start with him? You're telling me it was correct to invest in an asset that I know will depreciate? Here's an example pal:

We both have $680,000 to invest. You buy a house at $680,000 (Swan), I buy one at $510,000 (S.Selwood). In half a years time our houses are at similar values due to market deflation. While you have lost over $100,000, I have $100,000 to invest elsewhere. I spend this on upgrading another property (Priddis -> Swan) I own.

It may be denial but sadly I cannot see how starting with Swan has been of huge benefit to anyone? He'll be in my side in a week at a cheaper price and I will be riding him for his large scores just like you will. Fact of the matter is that I will have saved over $120,000.

Also regarding your rookie "summary". No doubt that everyone will be able to afford premiums at some stage, but I will be able to afford them a week or two before you.

 

[Shaxx Attaxx]

Only thing that is worrying me is Stevie J. How serious is the injury? Will he play this week? If he comes back will he be 100% By the way I apologize to the people who have him because since I got him in he has played 1 game and added to the injury list. Sorry guys

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Premiumtrim I certainly see where you're coming from. But have you factored in these 3 points?

1) Captain option(s). Get it right and you will be duly rewarded.
2) Near certainty to stay above 100ppg due to past injury history and form, can't say that for a heap of players. Due to this you should have...
3) Peace of mind. Picking the right rookies and mid-pricers can be tricky enough, so if you stuff up your lower end premiums - you'd be asking for trouble.

Just offering a quick and easy to understand opposing viewpoint. Something to think about.

 

[Colin D'Cops]

Any further personal attacks (however minor they may be) will not be tolerated here on in. Keep it on-topic.

 

[Premiumtrim]

Premiumtrim I certainly see where you're coming from. But have you factored in these 3 points?

1) Captain option(s). Get it right and you will be duly rewarded.
2) Near certainty to stay above 100ppg due to past injury history and form, can't say that for a heap of players. Due to this you should have...
3) Peace of mind. Picking the right rookies and mid-pricers can be tricky enough, so if you stuff up your lower end premiums - you'd be asking for trouble.

Just offering a quick and easy to understand opposing viewpoint. Something to think about.

Finally someone willing to put up a measured discussion! I agree, and it was the risk I was willing to take. I've been fortunate enough to pick the correct captain each week (mostly Ablett) as well as pick premiums who have been consistent. He is 100% going to be in my team very soon, it is more that I believed his price was far too high for what I thought he was going to do. I took the risk to not settle with the peace of mind and I like to think it has paid off (so far).

 

[PIGSTi]

Pittard > Thurlow
O'Wines > Watson

Am having a shocker this year!

 

[Nyaaamate]

kane lucas -> watson/barlow/kieren/deledio ?????

 

[Falchoon]

I'm typing on my phone you arrogant little upstart, I guarentee, guarentee I am better than you in every aspect of your life, so use some of your limited mind to easilly dissect what I MEANT to type and then respond to that rather than going down the path you took, of calling out spelling and grammar - the sure fire sign of someone who likes to think they are smart when in reality anyone with a base level of intelligence can analyse the text on their own.


What you're not taking into account is the deflation of premiums, the magic number is increasing so even if Swan averaged the same he would have lost cash because of the way dt is programmed. Did you even know that?

Goodes, Pittard, Stevenson (Heath, Terlich)
Wines, O'Meara, Jones, Viney (Kommer, Whitfield)
Blicavs
Dwyer (Maccaffer, Neade)

Is around the best rookie lineup to have started with this season, with all those cheap players there is enough cash to get any premiums you want.. including Swan the fourth heighest average in the game.

If you "invested" that cash more "wisely" all you'd be doing is turning one of those rookies into a mid pricer like a Lucas or a Karnezis and all of those rookies are better options in terms of cash generation and average points.

JJK is the only mid pricer this year who has been worth it straight from the start so far

Have to disagree with that

option a) Swan and Wines cost $844800 and are delivering 198 points per week they've collectively risen $70k

option b) Boak and Stokes cost $770000 and are delivering 198 points per week they've collectively risen $160k

With limited trades, option a stood out, with the current number of trades option B is the go.


Top 25 midpricers (7 or more games) Average points minus starting price( $/5152)

JoshJ.Kennedy    37
ChadWINGARD    35
MatthewLEUENBERGER    35
DylanROBERTON    32
MathewSTOKES    31
BrentMOLONEY    29
LukePARKER    27
RichardDOUGLAS    27
KaneLUCAS    26
AaronMULLETT    25
MichaelHIBBERD    24
StevenMOTLOP    24
NickRIEWOLDT    24
HarryO'Brien    23
JeffGARLETT    23
TomYOUNG    22
MaxBAILEY    22
ShannonBYRNES    22
JarrodHARBROW    22
TravisCLOKE    21
MichaelWALTERS 21
PearceHANLEY 18
TravisBOAK 18
AndyOTTEN 17
ShaunBURGOYNE 17

 

[Spider Klein]

Yeah I bet its really working out not having the pkayer averageing fourth heighest in the competition

Depends how he spent the money he saved on not buying Swan at the beginning.

If it meant getting Cloke instead of Karnezis at the beginning I say its a win

 

[Premiumtrim]

kane lucas -> watson/barlow/kieren/deledio ?????

Beware of Deledio, he scores well when Richmond win. I think Jack/Waston are the safer/better options, maybe Jack for a point of difference?

 

[JDWCE]

Can/will Stokes keep it up?

wondering this myself. Has a great run coming up and besides his sub affected score earlier in this season has been in career best form DT wise

 

[FlowersByIrene]

There is no relevance in a hypothetical. "If Swan averaged the same he would have lost cash", fact is he has lost 117k already. You're telling me you knew Swan would lose cash due to the magic number, yet you still opted to start with him? You're telling me it was correct to invest in an asset that I know will depreciate? Here's an example pal:

We both have $680,000 to invest. You buy a house at $680,000 (Swan), I buy one at $510,000 (S.Selwood). In half a years time our houses are at similar values due to market deflation. While you have lost over $100,000, I have $100,000 to invest elsewhere. I spend this on upgrading another property (Priddis -> Swan) I own.

It may be denial but sadly I cannot see how starting with Swan has been of huge benefit to anyone? He'll be in my side in a week at a cheaper price and I will be riding him for his large scores just like you will. Fact of the matter is that I will have saved over $120,000.

Also regarding your rookie "summary". No doubt that everyone will be able to afford premiums at some stage, but I will be able to afford them a week or two before you.

For 510, 000 you could have also bought Dangerfield, Greene, Fyfe, Jack, O'Keefe and a milieu of other players, yes obviously if I KNEW selwood would average higher you would get him but you dont you have to take a gamble and for the same price you could have scooter or tobey greene... With Swan you pay for the fact that he is guarnteed to be a top 5 player, you pay a 100k levy for him and Ablett for the fact that they'll be 100% in the top 5

And the top 25 teams will prove that

 

[FlowersByIrene]

And yes I knew he would lose value and yes he is still a great pick and yes I would pick him again and again

 

[Jessbek]

And yes I knew he would lose value and yes he is still a great pick and yes I would pick him again and again

Either picking him from the start or waiting for him to drop has its merits and cons. Nobody had a crystal ball in the preseason to foresee Swannies performance this year so you can't critise other choices. Picking him up or not selecting him both came with its risks, as most players do when you are selecting your initial team at the start of the year.

This debate is pointless imo

 

[Atley]

BEAU WATERS WILL BE LUCKY TO SURVIVE

 

[FlowersByIrene]

Have to disagree with that

option a) Swan and Wines cost $844800 and are delivering 198 points per week they've collectively risen $70k

option b) Boak and Stokes cost $770000 and are delivering 198 points per week they've collectively risen $160k

With limited trades, option a stood out, with the current number of trades option B is the go.


Top 25 midpricers (7 or more games) Average points minus starting price( $/5152)

JoshJ.Kennedy    37
ChadWINGARD    35
MatthewLEUENBERGER    35
DylanROBERTON    32
MathewSTOKES    31
BrentMOLONEY    29
LukePARKER    27
RichardDOUGLAS    27
KaneLUCAS    26
AaronMULLETT    25
MichaelHIBBERD    24
StevenMOTLOP    24
NickRIEWOLDT    24
HarryO'Brien    23
JeffGARLETT    23
TomYOUNG    22
MaxBAILEY    22
ShannonBYRNES    22
JarrodHARBROW    22
TravisCLOKE    21
MichaelWALTERS 21
PearceHANLEY 18
TravisBOAK 18
AndyOTTEN 17
ShaunBURGOYNE 17

Yes but that's all relative because no one was ever going to pick Stokes

Kennedy - on radar
Wingard - maybe for some
Leuy - missed first couple of games, then everyone got him, as I did
Roberton - not on radar
Stokes - not on radar
Moloney - yes on radar
etc etc etc

Did anyone on these boards start with Roberton or Stokes or Jeffy Garlett??

Kennedy was an absolute lock to increase in price and average well, as was some others like Cloke etc, some are still dubious picks like Moloney, some are benefitting form an easier run which some people on these boards picked - like Riewoldt and some are just a complete loterry, Stokes, Douglas etc. Its the choice of weather saving the extra money for a midpricer is worth it if you get it wrong. Which is entirely possible. Karnezis says hi, - I had Karnezis, should have started with JJK raaargh!!

 

[lmach]

BEAU WATERS WILL BE LUCKY TO SURVIVE

He's being rested this weekend.

 

[TheCerealKillee]

What do people think would be the best choice of O'Meara, Hodge or Priddis to trade for Watson?

 

[Atley]

He's being rested this weekend.

He returned for one game and needs a rest? tough man my rectum

 

[Falchoon]

Its the choice of weather saving the extra money for a midpricer is worth it if you get it wrong. Which is entirely possible. Karnezis says hi, - I had Karnezis, should have started with JJK raaargh!!

If you get it wrong?

In the rookies I started with Kane Mitchell, Tom Lee, Daniel Currie & Scott Lycett, Premiums misses were Dayne Beams, Jarryd Roughead and Dayne Zorko.

I don't have Swan, but he'd be a premium miss, averaging 21 down on your price is horrendous.

Midpricers I was more successful with, Boak, Moloney, Kennedy, Goldstein, Karnezis.

But that's not the point here, Swan was not a great pick, yes it can be made to look better by talking down the opportunity cost, but in itself it was a poor pick and use of resources.

 

[Tippaz]

Pittard > Thurlow
O'Wines > Watson

Am having a shocker this year!

yep, same trades for me too

Hartlett is a real concern for me (break even of 127 and averaging 76)
i dunno what to do with him. last year he played 15 games and averaged 81. surely he'll give me some good scores from here. i'd settle for an average of 81 which is not bad for a back.
Watson and Thurlow suits me for the bye rounds. At this point i'm struggling to field a team in rd11 so Pittard & Wines must go.

 

[Byron_Clanger]

I was thinking about bringing in a premo mid this week with over 400k in the bank, but if Gibbs misses YET again it may force me to trade Stevenson for a Hanley or something and save the premo mid for next week