Royal Eagles Draft Wants

[Euro Star]

Really rate all of marsh's attributes except for one very important point. Doesn't read the play well and has the tendency to act before he thinks (with varying views on whether or not he chooses the right option often enough). If you can teach that you have a star, if you cant then its a bust. Would take him with an early second rounder but too much risk for an early to mid first imo.

Interesting point. Patty Dangerfield was on "on the couch" tonight and Roos mentioned he was a vastly different player now than when he was drafted. PD's response was that he was "a bull at a gate" who used to just want to chase the ball all the time but didn't have good awareness and didn't get much "easy ball".

Sounds similar.

 

[WCE_phil]

Interesting point. Patty Dangerfield was on "on the couch" tonight and Roos mentioned he was a vastly different player now than when he was drafted. PD's response was that he was "a bull at a gate" who used to just want to chase the ball all the time but didn't have good awareness and didn't get much "easy ball".

Sounds similar.

From a recruiters perspective what you need to look at is a best case scenario (him turning into a dangerfield or judd type etc) and then a worst case scenario and what the likelihoods of those are and what level of risk you want to associate with a top 6-8 draft pick. As i said i think the cost is too high at 6-8 but is acceptable at 26-28. In saying that how happy will you be if we go bang in the second round and pick him up only for patrick cripps to go 2-3 picks later, turn into a very good big bodied extractor and then have Marsh become the next Ash Smith? (another guy who wasn't really a mid but has blistering pace, good height and a strong body but average at best decision making in juniors)

The chances of either scenario happening really depends on which way you look at it, as a top 10 pick i think it's too much of a risk and if you were going to go down that path you'd be better off taking botempelli first round.

 

[Spooky17]

From a recruiters perspective what you need to look at is a best case scenario (him turning into a dangerfield or judd type etc) and then a worst case scenario and what the likelihoods of those are and what level of risk you want to associate with a top 6-8 draft pick. As i said i think the cost is too high at 6-8 but is acceptable at 26-28. In saying that how happy will you be if we go bang in the second round and pick him up only for patrick cripps to go 2-3 picks later, turn into a very good big bodied extractor and then have Marsh become the next Ash Smith? (another guy who wasn't really a mid but has blistering pace, good height and a strong body but average at best decision making in juniors)

The chances of either scenario happening really depends on which way you look at it, as a top 10 pick i think it's too much of a risk and if you were going to go down that path you'd be better off taking botempelli first round.

Agreed with these points. Always enjoy your input Phil, not just because you have potentially the best avatar

 

[flamingEMBERS]

It's funny how people have been rating players on here but Bontempelli and Sheed are at the back-end of the first round according to Twomey.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-22/update-phantom-draft-form-guide

Personally I don't follow juniors at all, but from the right up it sounds as though Scharenberg is everything we need in a big bodied mid but also the likes of Kolodjashnij and Lennon.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Scharenberg isn't a true midfielder and neither are Kolodjashnij or Lennon. They're all ok ground level players but not good enough to run through the centre square at AFL level. Just classy outside types, they run the lines, Lennon and Scharenberg can present at the ball really well.

Twomey is just one guy based of Victoria. We're really keen on Sheed and he even acknowledges that he ranks him lower than most in the pod cast. He also says Bontempelli and Freeman are a good chance of going top ten.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Interesting point. Patty Dangerfield was on "on the couch" tonight and Roos mentioned he was a vastly different player now than when he was drafted. PD's response was that he was "a bull at a gate" who used to just want to chase the ball all the time but didn't have good awareness and didn't get much "easy ball".

Sounds similar.

A sneaky chance Marsh could be available in the second round, not worth it especially if we end up with pick 6.

 

[getgaff]

It's funny how people have been rating players on here but Bontempelli and Sheed are at the back-end of the first round according to Twomey.

http://www.afl.com.au/news/2013-08-22/update-phantom-draft-form-guide

Personally I don't follow juniors at all, but from the right up it sounds as though Scharenberg is everything we need in a big bodied mid but also the likes of Kolodjashnij and Lennon.

Scharenberg would be an absolute ripper to get considering I've got him going at pick 1.

Kolodjashnij and Lennon - Both outside the top 6 of the draft but will be first round selections, are more outside types especially Kolodjashnij who is a very skinny kid. Lennon's a bit like Hurn in that HBF role but also has the capacity to swing forward or maybe off a wing

I've done a mock which i'll be updating again over the next few days, but if what I've my mock was absolute gospel West Coast would get Nathan Freeman at pick 8 in the first round and Nick Robertson at pick 27 in the second round passing up on Garlett, Cripps, Marsh and Jansen. Haven't contemplated a 3rd round yet

 

[Fly_High]

Acres is what we need. But then again we have many needs and just one first round pick.

I wonder whether West Coast could have been in his ear about getting his body right and flying him under the draft radar? Sneaky second round chance?

 

[Kaboodleer]

Scharenberg would be an absolute ripper to get considering I've got him going at pick 1.

Kolodjashnij and Lennon - Both outside the top 6 of the draft but will be first round selections, are more outside types especially Kolodjashnij who is a very skinny kid. Lennon's a bit like Hurn in that HBF role but also has the capacity to swing forward or maybe off a wing

I've done a mock which i'll be updating again over the next few days, but if what I've my mock was absolute gospel West Coast would get Nathan Freeman at pick 8 in the first round and Nick Robertson at pick 27 in the second round passing up on Garlett, Cripps, Marsh and Jansen. Haven't contemplated a 3rd round yet

I enjoyed reading your mock. Why is it you rate Freeman over Bontempelli? Less risky or more upside?

 

[eagles rule]

I wonder whether West Coast could have been in his ear about getting his body right and flying him under the draft radar? Sneaky second round chance?

Same I have my suspicions on Acres and someone that plays down at Bassendean .

 

[getgaff]

I enjoyed reading your mock. Why is it you rate Freeman over Bontempelli? Less risky or more upside?

Cheers Kaboodleer. I think the consensus is we we would be happy with either Freeman or Bontempelli. My reasoning for Freeman is i think we're short on genuine clearance winning midfielders right now. Not saying Bontempelli won't be a good player he has all the attributes to be but right now he strikes me as a player with weaknesses in his inside game and more accustomed to playing outside to begin with

 

[eaglespremiers]

Acres is a very nice player but i'm not sure he is exactly what we need. Having said that, if we pass over him, he has the potential to do a Fyfe and turn out to be one of the best players from the draft.

Murphy's law and all that, right?

 

[eaglespremiers]

One player that hasn't been mentioned much is Christian Salem.
Most people would have him somewhere in the teens but I'd have him higher than that (based on seeing him play perhaps 6 times).
He is great outside with his turn of pace and regularly kicks goals.
However, he has also got the big body for inside work and seems to have really good hands.
I know most people wouldn't want him with our pick, but having seen him live and would prefer him to Kelly, Kolodjashnij or Lennon.

 

[getgaff]

One player that hasn't been mentioned much is Christian Salem.
Most people would have him somewhere in the teens but I'd have him higher than that (based on seeing him play perhaps 6 times).
He is great outside with his turn of pace and regularly kicks goals.
However, he has also got the big body for inside work and seems to have really good hands.
I know most people wouldn't want him with our pick, but having seen him live and would prefer him to Kelly, Kolodjashnij or Lennon.

Agree. Has a much more rounded game than the other 3 mentioned. Although I've picked the other 3 all before him in my mock

 

[eaglespremiers]

Agree. Has a much more rounded game than the other 3 mentioned. Although I've picked the other 3 all before him in my mock

Now that's just confusing.
You'd prefer him to Kelly, Kolodjashnij or Lennon but haven't picked him before them in your mock.
Go on....

 

[getgaff]

Now that's just confusing.
You'd prefer him to Kelly, Kolodjashnij or Lennon but haven't picked him before them in your mock.
Go on....

From a West Coast perspective I'd prefer Salem over Kelly, Lennon and Kolodjashnij because of the inside game he offers where as the other boys are outside specialists. I tell a lie however about my mock draft Kolodjashnij goes at 18 (to Geelong) and Salem at 15 (to Sydney). Round 1 of my mock was a lot about needs based selections.

Kelly I have going at 4 to the Doggies as a specialist outside midfielder (there inside stocks are talent laden) who will just run all day very much in the mould of Gaff. Christian Salem offers that outside game as well coupled with a strong inside game, hardness and a real team player but Kelly's elite running game is a stand out feature for me

Lennon at Collingwood's first round selection for his versatility of playing forward and back and explosiveness when playing . Think Collingwood's midfield is pretty set and runs deep so I went with a player who gives the versatility of playing as a goal kicking half forward or a zone breaking defender in the mould of our own defender Shannon Hurn

 

[twce13]

A sneaky chance Marsh could be available in the second round, not worth it especially if we end up with pick 6.

who would you take at 6 EH?

I'm getting pretty keen on freeman tbh. I feel we need more pace from the middle, Shuey can't be the only outlet in this regard. And Freeman will be a great burst player from stoppages.

 

[eaglespremiers]

There's some really good chances available at West Coast's 2nd rounder (assuming we don't trade it).
Marsh, Cripps, Salem, Kolodjashnij, Robertson, Hartung and Tsitas will all most likely fall in and around the late teens to early twenties.

 

[getgaff]

There's some really good chances available at West Coast's 2nd rounder (assuming we don't trade it).
Marsh, Cripps, Salem, Kolodjashnij, Robertson, Hartung and Tsitas will all most likely fall in and around the late teens to early twenties.

As an inside mid I love the way Tsitas and Salem go about it and would want to take him in a heartbeat over the local boys Cripps and Jansen.

For more outside running types I prefer Garlett or Templeton with our second round pick. Hartung offers a lot but think he'll be gone before our second round pick. Same with Kolodjashnij

For versatility I'd chase Robertson

 

[eaglespremiers]

Thinking back a few years ago.
I remember in 2010 a few WC posters were talking up Polec as an option for us to get.
WC ended up picking Gaff and Polec went the pick after to Brisbane.
Now Gaff was the uber-consistent 30+ touches a game player at TAC level.
Polec I recall was the 15 touch per game at U18 level but he did good things with most of his touches.
Not having seen much of Polec U18s but having seen a fair bit of Bontempelli at underage level I think they have similarities.
Certainly if WC picked up Bontempelli in the draft you'd want his progression to be a bit more natural than Polec's has been at Brisbane.
However, both seem to impact games while not needing ridiculous amounts of the ball (though Bontempelli has proven he can get a lot of the ball at times).
Salem is another one that when he gets 18 touches or so he can really cut a team up. Whilst discussing him at the ground with a Carlton poster on here he described him as similar to Paul Chapman in this way.
Is that the type of player we are after? An impact player?

 

[eaglespremiers]

As an inside mid I love the way Tsitas and Salem go about it and would want to take him in a heartbeat over the local boys Cripps and Jansen.

For more outside running types I prefer Garlett or Templeton with our second round pick. Hartung offers a lot but think he'll be gone before our second round pick. Same with Kolodjashnij

For versatility I'd chase Robertson

Would be surprised if Salem lasts.
Probably teens but could see him fitting comfortably within the top 10.

 

[Masto]

I like Robertson with our 2nd round pick. I also hope we can get Ben Sokol with a later pick.

 

[twce13]

Tsitas I think would be a good fit for our needs.

 

[Masto]

Thinking back a few years ago.
I remember in 2010 a few WC posters were talking up Polec as an option for us to get.
WC ended up picking Gaff and Polec went the pick after to Brisbane.
Now Gaff was the uber-consistent 30+ touches a game player at TAC level.
Polec I recall was the 15 touch per game at U18 level but he did good things with most of his touches.
Not having seen much of Polec U18s but having seen a fair bit of Bontempelli at underage level I think they have similarities.
Certainly if WC picked up Bontempelli in the draft you'd want his progression to be a bit more natural than Polec's has been at Brisbane.
However, both seem to impact games while not needing ridiculous amounts of the ball (though Bontempelli has proven he can get a lot of the ball at times).
Salem is another one that when he gets 18 touches or so he can really cut a team up. Whilst discussing him at the ground with a Carlton poster on here he described him as similar to Paul Chapman in this way.
Is that the type of player we are after? An impact player?

Polec tested poorly. His measureables didn't stack up with his style of play and how it would translate to AFL level. He was overdrafted by Brisbane.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Tsitas I think would be a good fit for our needs.

Probably get snatched a pick or two before our pick.
Though maybe not.
There's always some good talent that slides into the 2nd round.
Who may slide this year?
Lennon's the one for me.