Rumour Rumors of cat player in big trouble

[PhatBoy]

I think it's more of a question of the timeline, which I explained above. He may not have been aware that he didn't participate in our second practice match, and only the match sim, which was prior to the charges being announced via the HS article.

tiger_tough is actually pretty reasonable in my experience. I think we should separate asking a question vs trolling for the sake of it because of hatred towards the club (even if it is the 100th time the question has been asked). Personally, I can't see anything wrong with what he's asked, or how he's asked it. Even his follow up was 'this isn't Geelong vs Richmond', so he's clearly not on that bandwagon either.

The majority of that discourse was with another poster - to be honest I actually thought it was still with the same guy not Tiger_tough who I know is actually a decent poster.

 

[sam giancana]

How do you know they’ve lied? Again, before he was even charged, he was literally playing with his finger strapped. They’ve stayed silent on an issue since that they are legally ordered to stay silent on.

If I didn’t know better, I’d almost think they’re doing exactly what the legal system has ordered them to do.

How many fingers have been listed as indefinite? People break their fingers and play the next week. I’m really confused why you’re defending it. The reason he may not play for a few months has nothing to do with a finger.

 

[PhatBoy]

How many fingers have been listed as indefinite? People break their fingers and play the next week. I’m really confused why you’re defending it. The reason he may not play for a few months has nothing to do with a finger.

Because they’ve been legally told to shut up about something, they’ve shut up about it.

I’m really confused about why you think they should have done something different just to satisfy you.

 

[ShadowCat]

Look, let’s hope not. No one wants to see a young lady in that situation and we don’t want a talented young man in that situation either. The fact that something has happened is not good at all although we have no idea whether he is innocent or guilty. I’m sure that this is not something that is new to the AFL. The difference is that people are held accountable these days compared to the 70s, 80s and 90s. Time will tell where this case lies.

This is actually a very good, and well thought out response. Kudos. I'd stick to this type of commenting instead of the other inconsequential 'finger' stuff, lol - which has been discussed to death. You obviously have more to offer than just simple trolling.

 

[ShadowCat]

Thank you for the articulate and reasonable response, its much better than the other I got.

The club would have known about the seriousness of it before the charges were laid. Odd that they let it play out that way.

How about **** off

They would have known about the seriousness of it, but at that stage he was just cited as a witness - and was released with no charges for 4 months. Had a full pre-season, was featured in club promotions (and the AFL season promotions for god's sake lol) In that period, the club would have just thought (I Imagine), 'player saw something untoward happen in a club, and was asked to give evidence...no charges have been brought up, let's move on.' When charges were actually brought upon him, he obviously then couldn't be around the club.

Timeline works, and the situation makes sense - from my perspective anyway.

 

[Partridge]

Something others haven't considered either, that has also bothered me a bit, is the fact that this may not have been a first time incident. There's nothing to say he didn't engage in this behaviour as a youth, and as a young AFL player in Sydney.

Comes from a privileged private school background, good looking kid, and seems very assured of himself. Incident only happened after he'd been in Geelong all of 5 months. Suggests behaviour that isn't new, and it's only now he's been caught.

All highly speculative comments I know, but, with the alleged nature of the crime, offenders aren't created overnight - there's usually a history of escalation.

To be fair, that description could be applied to an awful lot of young footballers now.

 

[D BRIDGE]

How many fingers have been listed as indefinite? People break their fingers and play the next week. I’m really confused why you’re defending it. The reason he may not play for a few months has nothing to do with a finger.

I'm a Geelong guy and anyone who has frequented the GFC injury list thread over the years will know that I haven't held back in damning some of the piss-taking reports the club occasionally put out to the public.

We've done it all over the years from time frames bouncing all over the shop to blokes just disappearing mid-season.

There's been so many lol word salad moments that give us supporters nothing that I can't even recall them all (just too many over the years).

But this one with said player's finger isn't one of them.

The club's between a rock and a hard place.

They can't come out and say out due to grape charge...

They can't (even though they've done it before with a few others) have him not playing but also disappear from the injury list because that will cause speculation.

They can't say anything due to a court order.

+ The guy actually might have an injured finger.

Can't say nothin'... Gotta shut our gobs and we have.

In the end... whatever he is listed as on the injury list is the smallest of small things in terms of what will happen if found guilty and I don't even know why anyone cares.

 

[cats_09]

It's really simply - there's a court imposed suppression order in place, meaning:

• The player cannot identified for legal reasons.
• Any details of the alleged offending also cannot be made public.

So what exactly do you expect Clearly or any other reporter to do in this situation?

I'm pretty sure that none of them are interested in risking their careers for some idiots on the internet who are choosing to ignore the suppression order that's in place


As for Thomas - was there ever a suppression order in place to stop him being named or the issues being discussed? If the answers no, then that's what's different here

 

[Skinnyfwdpocket]

Some disgusting and stupid content on this thread. Common sense (and my opinion which is not facts, just allegeds) would tell me below timeline:

• Incident happens.
• Plays/trains all good.
• Player pulled in for questioning, witness only.
• Player cleared back to training and match sim.
• Player charged.
• Player alerts club of incident and suppression order.
• Club alerts AFL, both agree on way forward, move to injury list because of suppression order we can't have speculation.
• Club/Player go with finger injury, can't have long term injury in case he is cleared straight away or may have actually had finger injury.
• Media also under suppression to ensure fair trial.
• Big footy posters put tin foil hats on

 

[Skinnyfwdpocket]

News article stating, "Geelong player under police investigation" and a player stepping away for personal reason doesn't feel very suppressed for me. At least moving to the injury list plausible deniability and all that.

After he has been named online, I would say that it's out of club and AFL hands, lawyers advising.

Anyone saying the club has any say needs to realise the consequences of this rumour, this isn't a 2-week suspension its jail time and opening lawsuits, the club would be heavily advised by lawyers on what they can do.

 

[fpm84]

He shouldn't be named on the Magistrate's Court website as cases subject to suppression orders aren't meant to be publicly listed. It's an admin error. The fact it has happens doesn't supersede the suppression order nor mean media outlets can ignore it.

 

[Munich]

Well a suppression order is there to protect both parties.

There has been no trial thus presumed innocence at this stage.

What if it's a made up allegation? Finger injury and keeping it quiet is better than personal reasons.

 

[D BRIDGE]

I'll tell you why, and then you + some others might start to get it.

Because......drumroll..... said player was listed as "Finger Injury - TBC" on the GFC injury list over one week prior to the website leak (which was an error btw and shouldn't have happened).

So he actually might have a finger injury and the club simply has done nothing but stay quiet and not blow this up.

The club can't say anything anyway due to a suppression order.

There's no point bringing more eyes on this by going public and stating he is stepping away from the club for any reason.

If they do that... media runs with it and it spreads all over the place with speculation, headlines etc (ahhh not what you want).

If they say nothing... media can't say anything due to suppression order and only bigfooty nuffies and people that go hard on social media know what's happening.

Geelong have played this perfectly and legally correct by doing absolutely nothing but keep it status quo since their last injury list update.

That is it... Simple as that.

 

[Thrillthorpe7]

Well a suppression order is there to protect both parties.

There has been no trial thus presumed innocence at this stage.

What if it's a made up allegation? Finger injury and keeping it quiet is better than personal reasons.

Probably not a great choice of words. An incident happening two years ago isn't proceeding to serious charges without prosecution having a very good case already. A made up allegation isn't getting this far down the line of the judicial process.

Does not mean he is guilty or not guilty, that's for the courts to decide now; however, a case is very rarely even getting to court if there's a sniff of it being a made up accusation.

 

[Munich]

Probably not a great choice of words. An incident happening two years ago isn't proceeding to serious charges without prosecution having a very good case already. A made up allegation isn't getting this far down the line of the judicial process.

Does not mean he is guilty or not guilty, that's for the courts to decide now; however, a case is very rarely even getting to court if there's a sniff of it being a made up accusation.

More of a general sweeping comment but yes I get your point. I'm still waiting to see the charges listed on the docket, yes I know they have been reported, but not by the court.

 

[Muddiemoose]

Well a suppression order is there to protect both parties.

There has been no trial thus presumed innocence at this stage.

What if it's a made up allegation? Finger injury and keeping it quiet is better than personal reasons.

Yup, if the media aren’t talking about something that would generate a much traffic as this will it’s pretty clear they have done the due diligence necessary and lawyers have said don’t touch it (yet)

Especially when it’s pretty obvious the media do “know” since it’s already been vaguely alluded to with those older articles

I love a good cats conspiracy as much as the next Richmond nuffie but this one certainly isn’t one

 

[mighty_lions]

yes they can, its not there job to lie to the general public, they dont have to comment on it just say personal reasons and end of conversation, journalists cant ask about it anyway

 

[Bald]

yes they can, its not there job to lie to the general public, they dont have to comment on it just say personal reasons and end of conversation, journalists cant ask about it anyway

A name appearing on a magistrates court list is the crux for the constant badgering of the Geelong Football Clubs social media and the endless point scoring here.

Elijah Hollands went on personal leave and the amount of nonsense spewed in the comments of those posts was madness.

You don’t think listing him as out for personal reasons given all that is known or speculated about already wouldn’t spark a nuclear reaction from all facets of the football community?

When are people that are critical of the Cats going to accept that there is not one “good” response to this situation (that they in no way facilitated) by the Cats, because the same people making jokes about a finger injury would be joined by a horde of others sticking the boots in to the club.

The information (if there is any) will come out in due course and the Cats are handling it in the least bad way possible.

 

[iameviljez]

yes they can, its not there job to lie to the general public, they dont have to comment on it just say personal reasons and end of conversation, journalists cant ask about it anyway

That confirms who the player is beyond all reasonable doubt. Which wouldn’t be happening if it weren’t for the court slip up

 

[mighty_lions]

That confirms who the player is beyond all reasonable doubt. Which wouldn’t be happening if it weren’t for the court slip up

they dont have to confirm anything, just dont make up fake injuries, its exactly like the fake hamstring awareness and out managed clubs were coming up with for drug issues

 

[parano1a]

I'm surprised that Andrew Dillon and Peter V'Landys don't have the powers to expedite the judicial process in the case of listed AFL/NRL players. Elon would do it.

 

[mighty_lions]

A name appearing on a magistrates court list is the crux for the constant badgering of the Geelong Football Clubs social media and the endless point scoring here.

Elijah Hollands went on personal leave and the amount of nonsense spewed in the comments of those posts was madness.

You don’t think listing him as out for personal reasons given all that is known or speculated about already wouldn’t spark a nuclear reaction from all facets of the football community?

When are people that are critical of the Cats going to accept that there is not one “good” response to this situation (that they in no way facilitated) by the Cats, because the same people making jokes about a finger injury would be joined by a horde of others sticking the boots in to the club.

The information (if there is any) will come out in due course and the Cats are handling it in the least bad way possible.

people will speculate regardless especially when there was articles about it before a suppression order anyway and how does a fake finger injury make it all just go away? im not saying Geelong are handling it in a bad way, its just stupid making up fake injuries, supporters are not stupid, I took a look at that finger Injury list when it first came out and was thinking yeah that's just about confirms everything

 

[Fluro Boots]

they dont have to confirm anything, just dont make up fake injuries, its exactly like the fake hamstring awareness and out managed clubs were coming up with for drug issues

Exactly. Just don’t select him and say he’s not available for selection due to personal issues. They’re protecting themselves not him.

 

[iameviljez]

they dont have to confirm anything, just dont make up fake injuries, its exactly like the fake hamstring awareness and out managed clubs were coming up with for drug issues

Which is basically what the club has done here, a convenient injury. I don’t see the problem

 

[mighty_lions]

Which is basically what the club has done here, a convenient injury. I don’t see the problem

They dont have to lie, they have no obligation to lie, supporters are not stupid