Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn Guilty for the Murder of Carol Clay

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[GrayRanga]

I'm tipping about 8.There are parts of his story I think are true and I reckon it all went down when GL returned to camp around sundown. The initial verbal stoush escalated immediately. I don't buy him returning to car, music etc.
I think he had plenty of time to clean up. Blood smears.... That job alone would have been incredibly difficult to complete to the degree he did in the dark.

You and I agree with this one.

I camp in a 4 man tent, with air bed, sleeping bag, table, stove, chairs, food box, cooking equipment and stovetop expresso maker etc. (I like my comforts even when camping)

To pack up is the best part of an hour or more, and I will invariably lose a tent peg or three.

No way could it be done in 30 minutes

Add to that the time to wipe the blood smears off the vehicle would have required at least one or more trips to the river for water, scan the area for shotgun cartridges, gather up the readily observable component pieces of Clay's skull all under the light of a torch or headlamps?

We don't know what happened to Hill, but I assume that there things to be done there too

Do a search of the vehicle.

Possibly the best indication of when the event occured is the solar panel. A good one is an expensive bit of kit (Hill's set up shows he didn't skimp on kit). No way would Hill left it lying on the ground after dark or even anywhere it could be trodden on, it would heve been placed in the vehicle or underneath it near the battery box.

I know Lynn make mention in his ROI that as a pilot he was trained to make quick and decisive decisions.

But being confronted with a woman with her head blown apart may force even a seasoned hunter to take stock of what he had done.

After all, he said the burning of the bodies make him physically sick, so give him a while to come to terms of the enormity of his actions and plan what he was going to do is not something that even a pilot would do easily or quickly

A gunshot about dusk would not be considered abnormal as it is still legal up to 30 minutes after sundown.

The three later gunshots were to fit in with he story he was already developing

 

[Awakening]

Then there's his disposal of Hill's body, the emotional and psychological distress for nearly two years.

And had he got away with it, he would have lived the rest of his life with zero remorse or regret.

Whilst the loved ones of the victims would have wondered and searched and agonised for the rest of theirs.

Some people don’t care what happens to their own body once they’re dead.

But the majority of people want a proper resting place for their loved ones, whether they visit the place or not.

For me, it would be agony to spend the rest of my life thinking my mum or dad’s remains were out there somewhere.

 

[thumbs_up]

There are parts of his story I think are true

Yep. Any good liar knows that you want to stick as close to the truth as you can when lying.

 

[Awakening]

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Definitely some similarity

I’ve thought this since we first saw his photo. I thought I was the only one who saw the resemblance.

 

[Kurve]

If Lynn is found guilty, it could be sold with the proceeds being given to family members of Ms Clay and Mr Hill, the Herald Sun reported.

If he is acquitted, the restraining order on the house would be lifted and return to the control of Lynn's wife Melanie, who was made its sole proprietor in January 2022, after her husband's arrest.

His share is at risk I'd think, not his wife's but I'm not familiar with the cops restraining property outside of proceeds of crime.

 

[champagnegirl]

You and I agree with this one.

I camp in a 4 man tent, with air bed, sleeping bag, table, stove, chairs, food box, cooking equipment and stovetop expresso maker etc. (I like my comforts even when camping)

To pack up is the best part of an hour or more, and I will invariably lose a tent peg or three.

No way could it be done in 30 minutes

Add to that the time to wipe the blood smears off the vehicle would have required at least one or more trips to the river for water, scan the area for shotgun cartridges, gather up the readily observable component pieces of Clay's skull all under the light of a torch or headlamps?

We don't know what happened to Hill, but I assume that there things to be done there too

Do a search of the vehicle.

Possibly the best indication of when the event occured is the solar panel. A good one is an expensive bit of kit (Hill's set up shows he didn't skimp on kit). No way would Hill left it lying on the ground after dark or even anywhere it could be trodden on, it would heve been placed in the vehicle or underneath it near the battery box.

I know Lynn make mention in his ROI that as a pilot he was trained to make quick and decisive decisions.

But being confronted with a woman with her head blown apart may force even a seasoned hunter to take stock of what he had done.

After all, he said the burning of the bodies make him physically sick, so give him a while to come to terms of the enormity of his actions and plan what he was going to do is not something that even a pilot would do easily or quickly

A gunshot about dusk would not be considered abnormal as it is still legal up to 30 minutes after sundown.

The three later gunshots were to fit in with he story he was already developing

You have said it much better than I did. I believe he sent up those extra gunshots some time after the event to support his fanciful storytelling. Even just getting two sturdy looking dead weights into his trailer would have taken a fair amount of time.

 

[Terrafirma]

Didn’t mean it to sound like that. Apologies. Wasn’t trying to be out there. Just thought that Lynn is clearly quite calculating and who knows how much thought he put into constructing a storyline to support his actions.

I agree with you 100% no need to apologize it's a good point re Lynn throwing decoys etc. I was just curious why Lynn talks about extra shots fired off by Hill x 2 and then himself x 1 after Clay's death to empty the chamber.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Not likely. Also, didn't happen with CC even though he threw both in the trailer. If RH's blood / DNA was all over GL's clothing I'd say that's fairy good evidence that RH bled out up close to GL.

Pity they never found the trailer. Who knows what amount of DNA could be found in the joins and crevices.

 

[Kurve]

It's all in Melanie's name there is no share as such Kurve. It was Lynn's 100% but he transferred it to Melanie in an attempt to protect it. So it was always his 100%, no share with Melanie as such, and then he transferred it. They must have the power to restrain no matter and it seems like it's completely different to Civil etc.

Melanie also would have a claim against it, it's the family home with children in it still living there. It may turn out that the house must be sold for restitution or compensation and Melanie has to downgrade but I doubt, especially given there's children, she'd lose the lot.

 

[Badd0g]

You and I agree with this one.

I camp in a 4 man tent, with air bed, sleeping bag, table, stove, chairs, food box, cooking equipment and stovetop expresso maker etc. (I like my comforts even when camping)

To pack up is the best part of an hour or more, and I will invariably lose a tent peg or three.

No way could it be done in 30 minutes

Add to that the time to wipe the blood smears off the vehicle would have required at least one or more trips to the river for water, scan the area for shotgun cartridges, gather up the readily observable component pieces of Clay's skull all under the light of a torch or headlamps?

We don't know what happened to Hill, but I assume that there things to be done there too

Do a search of the vehicle.

Possibly the best indication of when the event occured is the solar panel. A good one is an expensive bit of kit (Hill's set up shows he didn't skimp on kit). No way would Hill left it lying on the ground after dark or even anywhere it could be trodden on, it would heve been placed in the vehicle or underneath it near the battery box.

I know Lynn make mention in his ROI that as a pilot he was trained to make quick and decisive decisions.

But being confronted with a woman with her head blown apart may force even a seasoned hunter to take stock of what he had done.

After all, he said the burning of the bodies make him physically sick, so give him a while to come to terms of the enormity of his actions and plan what he was going to do is not something that even a pilot would do easily or quickly

A gunshot about dusk would not be considered abnormal as it is still legal up to 30 minutes after sundown.

The three later gunshots were to fit in with he story he was already developing

Hadn't factored in the solar panel. You're right, GL said it was covered in blood. So that indicates it was still out and seasoned campers.dont leave their panels out after lights out.
Which raises another point... How did it get covered in blood? RH car appeared to be parked nose to West, which would suggest the panel would have to have been on the ground at the rear of the vehicle, also facing somewhere between North and West. For it to have been covered in blood, at ground level tells me the shot came from an angle higher than her head.

 

[theouthouse]

I agree with you 100% no need to apologize it's a good point re Lynn throwing decoys etc. I was just curious why Lynn talks about extra shots fired off by Hill x 2 and then himself x 1 after Clay's death to empty the chamber.

I came to the conclusion the shot to empty the chamber is in Lynn's version to emphasise the action he now had to take.

I'm also of the opinion he hunted Clay in front of Hill as I believe Lynn to be extremely spiteful when wronged and to get back at Hill he executed Clay like she was a deer. No idea how good of a shot he is, could have missed or wounded in a few shots before the head shot. Don't think he would have used his laser light.

Couldn't possibly call the cops as he had just fired the weapon so they might not be able to find Hill's fingerprint on the trigger. Might as well clean the gun anyway.

Good to see the jury saw right through this.

 

[Zidane98]

Pity they never found the trailer. Who knows what amount of DNA could be found in the joins and crevices.

I'm not sure this makes a difference. It would just confirm what GL admitted to - transporting the couple in the trailer from Wonnangatta to Union Spur track.

 

[Badd0g]

It's all in Melanie's name there is no share as such Kurve. It was Lynn's 100% but he transferred it to Melanie in an attempt to protect it. So it was always his 100%, no share with Melanie as such, and then he transferred it. They must have the power to restrain no matter and it seems like it's completely different to Civil etc.

Nah.. They were joint props prior to the transfer in Jan 22

 

[Terrafirma]

Melanie also would have a claim against it, it's the family home with children in it still living there. It may turn out that the house must be sold for restitution or compensation and Melanie has to downgrade but I doubt, especially given there's children, she'd lose the lot.

My mistake BaddoG clarified they were joint owners prior until Lynn transferred her his 50%

 

[Terrafirma]

I came to the conclusion the shot to empty the chamber is in Lynn's version to emphasise the action he now had to take.

I'm also of the opinion he hunted Clay in front of Hill as I believe Lynn to be extremely spiteful when wronged and to get back at Hill he executed Clay like she was a deer. No idea how good of a shot he is, could have missed or wounded in a few shots before the head shot. Don't think he would have used his laser light.

Couldn't possibly call the cops as he had just fired the weapon so they might not be able to find Hill's fingerprint on the trigger. Might as well clean the gun anyway.

Good to see the jury saw right through this.

Fair enough it could have gone down this way too.

 

[Sir_Loin]

All of this is the reason why GL was found guilty of murder for CC, she clearly wasn't party to the confrontation between GL & RH.

No bone fragments were found of RH at the bucks camp scene - a likelihood if he was blown away considering GL pissed off in the dark. None of his blood found on the outside of his car like CC which eliminates the possibility he shot them together next to the car. Also, his blood & DNA was recovered from the accommodation that GL stayed at on his clothes. That suggests he could we have died from bleeding out in a close quarter fight with GL - the only issue being there is no way to prove how he bled out other than GL's word.

My take is the jury probably formed the opinion from the above evidence that RH was killed in an altercation with GL without being able to conclude how or why that happened. But rather than CC's shooting being an accident he murdered her to cover the whole thing up. They didn't buy the accidental shooting of CC story.

I think the hotel “evidence” is a red herring. I understood the DNA test of the bathmat was inconclusive and the prosecution conceded that GL drove straight home.

Significant piece of evidence to exclude from the trial if otherwise.

 

[Romaine Calm]

Pity they never found the trailer. Who knows what amount of DNA could be found in the joins and crevices.

Perhaps the trailer will turn up one day, from memory I believe the rego was never transferred. I suspect the ad was a cover and the trailer has been dumped in a remote location. When he headed back up to the high country in May I wonder if he took the trailer with him? Apologies if there has been info confirming a sale

 

[Terrafirma]

I think the hotel “evidence” is a red herring. I understood the DNA test of the bathmat was inconclusive and the prosecution conceded that GL drove straight home.

Significant piece of evidence to exclude from the trial if otherwise.

You are correct here is proof: Quote news outlets. So this suggests we don't know at all if Lynn had Hill's blood all over him?

Former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn was suspected of going to a hotel room after the alleged murder of elderly campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay, a court has heard.

Forensic experts found the blood of Mr Hill, 74, was 'likely' found on a single sample from a white bathmat at a hotel in the Wonnangatta Valley, in Victoria's rugged alpine region, but it was later deemed implausible.

On Friday, Crown prosecutors confirmed police believe Lynn went straight home after allegedly killing the couple.

Ex-Jetstar pilot 'scattered remains' of secret lover campers

Former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn was suspected of going to a hotel room after the alleged murder of elderly campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay, a court has heard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Sir_Loin]

You are correct here is proof: Quote news outlets. So this suggests we don't know at all if Lynn had Hill's blood all over him?

Former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn was suspected of going to a hotel room after the alleged murder of elderly campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay, a court has heard.

Forensic experts found the blood of Mr Hill, 74, was 'likely' found on a single sample from a white bathmat at a hotel in the Wonnangatta Valley, in Victoria's rugged alpine region, but it was later deemed implausible.

On Friday, Crown prosecutors confirmed police believe Lynn went straight home after allegedly killing the couple.

Ex-Jetstar pilot 'scattered remains' of secret lover campers

Former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn was suspected of going to a hotel room after the alleged murder of elderly campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay, a court has heard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

What a way to frame it. Hill’s DNA was “likely” found. I thought DNA evidence is supposed to be conclusive.

It’s either RH’s DNA or it’s not. No idea why the prosecution would raise it in a proceeding in those terms.

 

[Terrafirma]

All of this is the reason why GL was found guilty of murder for CC, she clearly wasn't party to the confrontation between GL & RH.

No bone fragments were found of RH at the bucks camp scene - a likelihood if he was blown away considering GL pissed off in the dark. None of his blood found on the outside of his car like CC which eliminates the possibility he shot them together next to the car. Also, his blood & DNA was recovered from the accommodation that GL stayed at on his clothes. That suggests he could we have died from bleeding out in a close quarter fight with GL - the only issue being there is no way to prove how he bled out other than GL's word.

My take is the jury probably formed the opinion from the above evidence that RH was killed in an altercation with GL without being able to conclude how or why that happened. But rather than CC's shooting being an accident he murdered her to cover the whole thing up. They didn't buy the accidental shooting of CC story.

Turns out Zidane this is incorrect, Lynn never went to the Hotel.

Ex-Jetstar pilot 'scattered remains' of secret lover campers

Former Jetstar pilot Greg Lynn was suspected of going to a hotel room after the alleged murder of elderly campers Russell Hill and Carol Clay, a court has heard.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Badd0g]

Is there a chance the solar panel wasn't packed up before their deaths given you stated it could of gone down at 8pm or last light at 7.45pm etc? From my camping experience I don't rush out to get my solar panel as soon as it goes dark. If I was in the Valley I would leave it in position because who is going to take it.? Anyway that's just me.

Possible... Just going on what most ppl I know do.

 

[Badd0g]

It's not. Lynn was never in the hotel. Reading between the lines somebody found blood in a Wonangatta Hotel on the bathmat and news outlets jumped on it etc but it was later deemed implausible, so Lynn was never at the hotel and went straight home. This would have been proved by phone records etc

Said it waaaay back when this first came out and will say it again, the is only one Hotel within cooee of the valley and that's the Dargo Pub. You can bet he didn't stop off there for a quick frothy let alone a night after he'd done the dead end track dump. I think this was a red herring all along.

 

[Badd0g]

Perhaps the trailer will turn up one day, from memory I believe the rego was never transferred. I suspect the ad was a cover and the trailer has been dumped in a remote location. When he headed back up to the high country in May I wonder if he took the trailer with him? Apologies if there has been info confirming a sale

Yeah I agree. I suggested the same and that he probably dumped it.over the side of a very steep track.

 

[Sir_Loin]

It's not. Lynn was never in the hotel. Reading between the lines somebody found blood in a Wonangatta Hotel on the bathmat and news outlets jumped on it etc but it was later deemed implausible, so Lynn was never at the hotel and went straight home. This would have been proved by phone records etc

It was submitted in court, clearly in a pre-trial motion. It’s in the first sentence of the article you posted.

 

[Underarrest_]

But those extra gun shots might have been a decoy. Maybe he did use a knife on Hill and shot Clay earlier. Then decided later to fire off a couple. The time he was heard at the gate turning around only indicates the time he left, not the time he suddenly had 2 bodies and a crime scene.

Yeah possible he’s changed the time line. My thoughts were whether he’d risk others hearing the gunshots but maybe he knew there was no one that close. I don’t know how far away you’d hear gunshots.