Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay Pt 2 *Pilot Greg Lynn sentenced 32 yrs with a non-parole period of 24 yrs

[Kurve]

Here is PART 1 Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

DPP v Lynn [2024] VSCA 62 (12 April 2024) INTERLOCUTORY APPEAL​

R v Lynn (Rulings 1-4) [2024] VSC 373 (28 June 2024)​

R v Lynn (Rulings 5 & 6) [2024] VSC 375 (28 February 2024)

R v Lynn (Ruling 7) [2024] VSC 376 (8 May 2024)

The Greg Lynn Police Interview Tapes (Shortened Version)

The 3.5 HR Police Interview

R v Lynn [2024] VSC 635 (18 October 2024)​

THREADS FOR THE HIGH COUNTRY DISAPPEARED
High Country Disappearance of Prison Boss David Prideaux
The Disappearance of Warren Meyer

2008 - Warren Meyer (23 March 2008) not found
2010 - Japp and Annie Viergever (29 March 2010) both shot & 3 dogs, house burnt.
2011 - David Prideaux (5 June 2011) not found
2017 - Kevin Tenant (17 February 2018) shot 3 times, played dead.
2019 - Conrad Whitlock (29 July 2019) not found
2019 - Niels Becker (24 October 2019) not found
2020 - Russell Hill and Carol Clay (20 March 2020) murdered

Lynn's first wife Lisa, was found dead on 26 October 1999.

 

[Iretired00]

I think from memory their shoes/boots were recovered or found in the burnt remains I don't remember going back to the original reports

Okay,Yeah I don't remember that either.I was just thinking today how much we miss in spite of podcasts,news reports etc when justice Croucher said today in response to the Jury asking for a repeat of GL's evidence and ballistics that those two repeats alone is FIVE HOURS duration .No wonder we are in the dark with a lot in this case,I appreciate your curious mind,fingers crossed the jury has a level headed take on all this as we have !

 

[Underarrest_]

Hill told Lynn about the accident in their initial greet and meet chat see below: I have no reason to disbelieve this because we know know this is true re Hill's relatives accidental killing.

You can read about this here 10571z:

Lynn told police he and Hill had conversed, including about deer hunting and the latter’s drone, Dann said. Hill also told Lynn that someone close to him had been accidentally killed by a deer hunter.

Hill then accused Lynn of hunting too close to camp, and said that he planned to take drone footage proving this to police, the court heard.

Lynn told him he was “talking nonsense”, returned to his own camp for dinner and decided to turn his car’s stereo up to annoy Hill.

Lynn told police that he then became aware of noise coming from his car, and saw Hill walking away with one of his guns and magazines, Dann said.

He asked for the gun back, to which Hill responded “**** off”, Dann said. Lynn told police that Hill lost his temper and said he was going to take the gun to police too.


According to the account given to police, Hill fired a shot into the air when Lynn attempted to retrieve the gun. Lynn said he retreated for cover, and told police he was “scared shitless”, but decided he had to get his gun back.

He said a “chaotic scene” then unfolded, with the pair struggling for the gun and Clay shouting: “Russell stop it.”

Hill had his finger on the trigger during the struggle, according to the account Lynn gave police, and the shotgun then discharged, with the shot going through the side mirror of Hill’s car and ricocheting into Clay’s head.

The court heard that Hill then let go of the gun to go to Clay. Lynn told police he fired the gun in the air to “make it safe”. He then went back to his car to return it and to turn the music off.

Lynn told police that Hill then came at him with a knife, screaming “she’s dead”.

There was another struggle that saw the knife go through the chest of Hill while they were on the ground, Lynn told police.

Dann said Lynn then “disentangled himself” from Hill, went to Clay and found that she was dead. Lynn returned to Hill, and found he was also dead.

Interesting, When GL was on the stand he said that he didn’t see Hill’s finger on the trigger.

 

[Terrafirma]

Interesting, When GL was on the stand he said that he didn’t see Hill’s finger on the trigger.

Ok then why did Lynn state it was ?

 

[Underarrest_]

Ok then why did Lynn state it was ?

I don’t know, the Prosecutor seemed to emphasise this question though. Has he changed stories?

 

[Zidane98]

A charge of manslaughter needs to prove an unlawful act caused the death of somebody.

In the defences case;

-CC died in a self defence tussle over a gun (not an unlawful act)
-RH died in self defence tussle over a gun (not an unlawful act)

It’s murder or acquit.

CC as an uninvolved 3rd party to a tussle would be manslaughter IMO. Self defence applies only to the party you're in a tussle with.

 

[Pure_Ownage]

CC as an uninvolved 3rd party to a tussle would be manslaughter IMO. Self defence applies only to the party you're in a tussle with.

You couldnt call it generic manslaughter if shes not in struggle and dies by a ricochet.

You could potentially argue unlawful discharge of a firearm etc though.

 

[Terrafirma]

I don’t know, the Prosecutor seemed to emphasise this question though. Has he changed stories?

Ok unless it was his initial interview in Sale vs Court?

 

[Kurve]

Interesting, When GL was on the stand he said that he didn’t see Hill’s finger on the trigger.

Even if it was true, I'm not sure whether he knew Hill's finger was on the trigger or not, absolves him of any responsibility when he's got two hands on the barrel directing the thing, in a struggle with a 74yo.

 

[Underarrest_]

Even if it was true, I'm not sure whether he knew Hill's finger was on the trigger or not, absolves him of any responsibility when he's got two hands on the barrel directing the thing, in a struggle with a 74yo.

Yes true.
He said this in questioning about the guy rope so could be relevant to his memory/accuracy of what happened at the front of the truck if he’s stated before that Hill’s finger was on the trigger.

 

[Terrafirma]

Okay,Yeah I don't remember that either.I was just thinking today how much we miss in spite of podcasts,news reports etc when justice Croucher said today in response to the Jury asking for a repeat of GL's evidence and ballistics that those two repeats alone is FIVE HOURS duration .No wonder we are in the dark with a lot in this case,I appreciate your curious mind,fingers crossed the jury has a level headed take on all this as we have !

Well said.!

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Hill told Lynn about the accident in their initial greet and meet chat see below: I have no reason to disbelieve this because we know know this is true re Hill's relatives accidental killing.

You can read about this here 10571z:

Lynn told police he and Hill had conversed, including about deer hunting and the latter’s drone, Dann said. Hill also told Lynn that someone close to him had been accidentally killed by a deer hunter.

Hill then accused Lynn of hunting too close to camp, and said that he planned to take drone footage proving this to police, the court heard.

Lynn told him he was “talking nonsense”, returned to his own camp for dinner and decided to turn his car’s stereo up to annoy Hill.

Lynn told police that he then became aware of noise coming from his car, and saw Hill walking away with one of his guns and magazines, Dann said.

He asked for the gun back, to which Hill responded “**** off”, Dann said. Lynn told police that Hill lost his temper and said he was going to take the gun to police too.


According to the account given to police, Hill fired a shot into the air when Lynn attempted to retrieve the gun. Lynn said he retreated for cover, and told police he was “scared shitless”, but decided he had to get his gun back.

He said a “chaotic scene” then unfolded, with the pair struggling for the gun and Clay shouting: “Russell stop it.”

Hill had his finger on the trigger during the struggle, according to the account Lynn gave police, and the shotgun then discharged, with the shot going through the side mirror of Hill’s car and ricocheting into Clay’s head.

The court heard that Hill then let go of the gun to go to Clay. Lynn told police he fired the gun in the air to “make it safe”. He then went back to his car to return it and to turn the music off.

Lynn told police that Hill then came at him with a knife, screaming “she’s dead”.

There was another struggle that saw the knife go through the chest of Hill while they were on the ground, Lynn told police.

Dann said Lynn then “disentangled himself” from Hill, went to Clay and found that she was dead. Lynn returned to Hill, and found he was also dead.

Great story! So… what happened next?

 

[GrayRanga]

You couldnt call it generic manslaughter if shes not in struggle and dies by a ricochet.

You could potentially argue unlawful discharge of a firearm etc though.

Why are we talking about manslaughter?

A Supreme Court Justice, two KC's, one who has recently promoted to DPP, have taken it off the table for the Jury's consideration.

It's two counts of murder, one count of murder or total aquital

Heaven help the Criminal Justice system if the jurors exhibit the same understanding as some here

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Agree he didnt initially go and check Clays status

And say, “oh shit, I’m so sorry, you’d better call the police/ambulance/for help. I wish you hadn’t tried to take the gun.”

At which stage Russell, distraught, could have staggered to the radio and when the services arrived, might have joined GL and admitted they’d struggled over the gun and it went off.

Clay could have had a proper funeral. Russell and Greg would have had to deal with fallout from their families but hey.

There would have been charges, but probably not murder.

 

[Terrafirma]

And say, “oh shit, I’m so sorry, you’d better call the police/ambulance/for help. I wish you hadn’t tried to take the gun.”

At which stage Russell, distraught, could have staggered to the radio and when the services arrived, might have joined GL and admitted they’d struggled over the gun and it went off.

Clay could have had a proper funeral. Russell and Greg would have had to deal with fallout from their families but hey.

There would have been charges, but probably not murder.

Defies all logic if it was accidental

 

[Underarrest_]

And say, “oh shit, I’m so sorry, you’d better call the police/ambulance/for help. I wish you hadn’t tried to take the gun.”

At which stage Russell, distraught, could have staggered to the radio and when the services arrived, might have joined GL and admitted they’d struggled over the gun and it went off.

Clay could have had a proper funeral. Russell and Greg would have had to deal with fallout from their families but hey.

There would have been charges, but probably not murder.

and if CC was killed after Hill stole the gun in the first place and GL was just trying to get it back, wouldn’t Hill blame himself and not chase GL down with a knife?

 

[Terrafirma]

Why are we talking about manslaughter?

A Supreme Court Justice, two KC's, one who has recently promoted to DPP, have taken it off the table for the Jury's consideration.

It's two counts of murder, one count of murder or total aquital

Heaven help the Criminal Justice system if the jurors exhibit the same understanding

and if CC was killed after Hill stole the gun in the first place and GL was just trying to get it back, wouldn’t Hill blame himself and not chase GL down with a knife?

Wow Never thought of that before thats such a good point.

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Wow Never thought of that before thats such a good point.

That’s what I thought too. No way would you go full Rambo, in the dark, in your pjs, at 73 years old.

 

[Awakening]

in my scenario, I think RH highest level consideration would have been about safety issues regarding hunting and shooting not about his possible illegal actions taking possession of GL's firearm; because he displayed this consideration as a few witnesses have stated that RH had recently spoken to them about hunting and gun safety and about his nephew's death in a nearby area, due to a hunting accident and his nephew being accidentally shot by his cousin. It obviously had a great impact on RH and he was spreading the safety issues widely.

And yet RH has never previously confiscated a strangers gun?

 

[Terrafirma]

...and then someone had to reload/cycle the gun for it to be live and GL to fire it off again "to make it safe" after CC had been shot. (That's the bit I just can't reconcile).

If the struggle happened as GL says it did, RH letting go of the gun and rushing to CC could not have happened unless GL let him up - his testimony is that he had RH bent backwards over the bonnet with the gun between them when it went off. Didn't happen IMO

So sounds like we the jury are all in agreeance Kurve can be the lead Juror and take our verdict back into court.

 

[Awakening]

The fact that he was killed barefooted suggests he was ambushed IMO. I think the same was said for Clay. You wouldn't be outside your tent barefooted unless there was a reason?

Ambushed is my guess too.

For whatever reason GL has come to their campsite armed when they are in their pj’s and barefoot.

No doubt RH’s wife, who packed his bag, would know what shoes he took with him.

GL catches them off guard wielding his gun. Carol takes off towards the car to radio for help where GL shoots and kills her.

Meanwhile RH grabs the closest thing - a kitchen knife - but GL, younger and fitter, easily wrestles the knife off him and plunges into RH’s chest.

In my opinion.

 

[Awakening]

blind as a bat

Will keep as evidence. In case you are ever accused of stealing a gun in the dark.

 

[Awakening]

We’re all under a lot of pressure waiting for the dirty dozen to return.

Not to mention…. is it potato cake or scallop?

Scallop. And I’ve lived in Victoria for over 25 years now and it will always be SCALLOP.

You BAKE a cake.

Case closed.

 

[theouthouse]

And say, “oh shit, I’m so sorry, you’d better call the police/ambulance/for help. I wish you hadn’t tried to take the gun.”

At which stage Russell, distraught, could have staggered to the radio and when the services arrived, might have joined GL and admitted they’d struggled over the gun and it went off.

Clay could have had a proper funeral. Russell and Greg would have had to deal with fallout from their families but hey.

There would have been charges, but probably not murder.

IMO RH was dead by the time CC was shot, for whatever reason it makes no sense for GL to shoot someone given him being a pilot and all the exclusive gun clubs he is in, and make a noise when he could quite easily stab them quietly. He might have got his knife stuck in RH and had to resort to a gun to get rid of CC.

...and then someone had to reload/cycle the gun for it to be live and GL to fire it off again "to make it safe" after CC had been shot. (That's the bit I just can't reconcile).

If the struggle happened as GL says it did, RH letting go of the gun and rushing to CC could not have happened unless GL let him up - his testimony is that he had RH bent backwards over the bonnet with the gun between them when it went off. Didn't happen IMO

So GL had overpowered him in the first encounter with the gun by the sounds of it quite convincingly.

and if CC was killed after Hill stole the gun in the first place and GL was just trying to get it back, wouldn’t Hill blame himself and not chase GL down with a knife?

RH also not intimidated by his earlier struggle with GL where he was overpowered, yet decided to leave the body of his lover and bring a knife to a gun fight.

In the supposed words of RH to GL: "F#$K OFF".

 

[Awakening]

And say, “oh shit, I’m so sorry, you’d better call the police/ambulance/for help. I wish you hadn’t tried to take the gun.”

At which stage Russell, distraught, could have staggered to the radio and when the services arrived, might have joined GL and admitted they’d struggled over the gun and it went off.

Clay could have had a proper funeral. Russell and Greg would have had to deal with fallout from their families but hey.

There would have been charges, but probably not murder.

And a pilot would know first aid, CPR. GL says he emptied the gun to make it safe, so the gun was no longer a threat.

But nope. Rather than administer medical aid he saunters back to his camp to turn the music off.

 

[thumbs_up]

Scallop. And I’ve lived in Victoria for over 25 years now and it will always be SCALLOP.

You BAKE a cake.

Case closed.

Appalling.