Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Pamcake1]

Why wouldn't they just bring him in for questioning and show him the image of the 4WD in that case? I think they wanted friends and acquaintances to come forward with any information they had about his behaviour and possible confirmation of him camping in that area on that date imo.

I'm guessing that that wouldn't have been enough to get him to confess. As it is it took 72 hours before he did. I think it is more VicPol wanted him to be under greater preasure to confess and that the friends and family would not be in any doubt. Apparently he had a fight with his wife....do you think that could have been a bit of preasure being applied indirectly?

 

[imho]

curious as to the distance between the campsite and the locked gate where a petrol powered vehicle was said to have performed a 20-30point U-turn?
the U-turning was obviously witnessed by either sight, sound, or smell, and if, as i recall, the gate was locked for bushfire purposes, i'd have thought that any others camping in the region would have been on extra high alert for fire during the season, yet the burning campsite, which would have emitted a glow in the night sky, lots of smoke, crackling, possibly minor explosions, went unnoticed until end of the following day ... a matter of distance, or murphy's law?
imho

 

[MiguelM]

Why wouldn't they just bring him in for questioning and show him the image of the 4WD in that case? I think they wanted friends and acquaintances to come forward with any information they had about his behaviour and possible confirmation of him camping in that area on that date imo.

They had already questioned him early in the investigation. He stated he did not see them. Police already knew he was in the area.

Slowly building a robust case IMO.

 

[MiguelM]

 

[Pamcake1]

Yes and many more questions if they intend to hold him in Sale, they want to keep him handy and close to the scene. I haven't heard anything yet of transport to Melbourne.

Yes and many more questions if they intend to hold him in Sale, they want to keep him handy and close to the scene. I haven't heard anything yet of transport to Melbourne.

I heard on ABC radio thid morning that they were bringing him to Melbourne to put him in protective custody.

 

[JWS2019]

I'm guessing that that wouldn't have been enough to get him to confess. As it is it took 72 hours before he did. I think it is more VicPol wanted him to be under greater preasure to confess and that the friends and family would not be in any doubt. Apparently he had a fight with his wife....do you think that could have been a bit of preasure being applied indirectly?

I don’t think he has confessed has he? He’s been silent from what I have seen?

 

[Anja_Nees]

If he is convicted for a double murder at his age he would normally not see freedom again.

If he’s lucky, he could get a non-parole period well under 30 years, possibly under 20. It’s happened here in multiple homicides before, and he’s in a good position given his age and lack of previous convictions.

Might get out before 80 if he does.

 

[Pamcake1]

I don’t think he has confessed has he? He’s been silent from what I have seen?

Reported this morning that he told them where the bodies were on Thursday morning....aka confession.

 

[FrankGrimes]

He's probably at Fulham, I forgot that was there. Not sure if it has a wing for remand.

Fulham Correctional Centre is a medium security Australian prison located in Hopkins Road, Sale, Victoria, Australia. The prison consists of mainstream medium and minimum security cell blocks, management, and a protection unit. It was built by Thiess Contractors and completed in 1997

Fulham Correctional Centre | Corrections Victoria

Information specific to Fulham Correctional Centre.

www.corrections.vic.gov.au

Remand prisoners can’t go there can?
Most likely Melbourne remand centre

 

[MiguelM]

Reported this morning that he told them where the bodies were on Thursday morning....aka confession.

Cheers, hadn't heard that. Looking at the photos of the search area it seems fairly specific, albeit remote.

Close to roads for a quick getaway. Not a chance in hell of anyone finding anything without a confession in there.

 

[JWS2019]

Reported this morning that he told them where the bodies were on Thursday morning....aka confession.

Yeah thanks Pam also have not seen this..

 

[Pamcake1]

Wow ... Lynn isn't back in court until May and in Sale. Complexities of the case was given as the reason for such a long pause.

Hmmmmmm

It would be pretty complicated as not only do they have to prove it is him they have to prove that it isn't anyone else as well.
That he didn't say get roped into just disposing of the bodies but didn't kill them etc...you know when the Martians held him ar gunpoint and made him do it and scenarios as such.
Also they will need time for close analysis of the car, bodies etc

 

[Zidane98]

Wow ... Lynn isn't back in court until May and in Sale. Complexities of the case was given as the reason for such a long pause.

Hmmmmmm

I dont get what is so complex if a) he's admitted it b) he admitted concealing their bodies and c) they locate their remains confirming he killed them.

Seems a straightforward case to me that should be going straight to a judge for sentencing.

 

[Zidane98]

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Which track is that?

 

[MiguelM]

Which track is that?

no idea. Police keeping secret atm.

 

[footscray1973]

So accused has engaged same lawyer as Richard Pusey. I won't repeat my opinion of Pusey on here, but hard to believe anyone would accept money to defend him (and yes I know that's what criminal defence lawyers do for a crust, I just save time and adopt a low opinion of them as a default position).

 

[KLM]

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Not sure if that story has any substance, and as some of you have indicated, hopefully stories/claims like this don't contribute to prejudicial claims by his defence, but some media outlets are now going to generate click-bait speculative pieces ad-nauseum I suspect.

It appears to have some substance in light of her burial records - maiden name, references her family members and kids but no reference to GL . This must bring painful memories to the surface for her family, whatever the circumstances were. But as you say, hopefully it doesn't contribute to prejudicial claims by his defense, and the media leave it alone.

 

[Pamcake1]

‘Completely traumatised’: Family of pilot accused of murdering campers breaks silence

Greg Lynn has been charged with two counts of murder over the disappearance of Carol Clay and Russell Hill.

7news.com.au

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

I dont get what is so complex if a) he's admitted it b) he admitted concealing their bodies and c) they locate their remains confirming he killed them.

Seems a straightforward case to me that should be going straight to a judge for sentencing.

I'm starting to genuinely believe it may not be old mates first rodeo, I initially didn't even entertain the thought at all as it seemed a bit too fantastical, but something about all these moving parts makes me think its plausible that the investigators had a big question mark over him very early on.
Pure speculation obviously, it just makes as much if not more sense than someone of an advanced age suddenly going "bad" in such a dramatic fashion.

 

[Pamcake1]

They (the press) do read Big Footy;

Accused Jetstar pilot had been grounded even after flights resumed

The Jetstar pilot charged with murdering two elderly campers had not been in the cockpit in the weeks and months leading up to his dramatic arrest.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Alberto_Magnifico]

curious as to the distance between the campsite and the locked gate where a petrol powered vehicle was said to have performed a 20-30point U-turn?
the U-turning was obviously witnessed by either sight, sound, or smell, and if, as i recall, the gate was locked for bushfire purposes, i'd have thought that any others camping in the region would have been on extra high alert for fire during the season, yet the burning campsite, which would have emitted a glow in the night sky, lots of smoke, crackling, possibly minor explosions, went unnoticed until end of the following day ... a matter of distance, or murphy's law?
imho

The gates were closed due to damage from the bushfire period, a few months prior I think. At the time of the incident there would have been campfires all throughout the valley.
I camped pretty close to Dry River TK the week prior and we had a generous fire (very much nudging the 1m limit) and got approached by a ranger that came into camp and made fun of us for being stereotypical dumb men! Then left us to it.

 

[Pamcake1]

I'm starting to genuinely believe it may not be old mates first rodeo, I initially didn't even entertain the thought at all as it seemed a bit too fantastical, but something about all these moving parts makes me think its plausible that the investigators had a big question mark over him very early on.
Pure speculation obviously, it just makes as much if not more sense than someone of an advanced age suddenly going "bad" in such a dramatic fashion.

I think you might be right with your suspicions. Not his first bad act in the world.

 

[Terrafirma]

I don’t think he has confessed has he? He’s been silent from what I have seen?

Yeah I haven't heard nor seen a report confirming he has confessed.? Also the reports say the area they are searching were provided to them but they didn't say by whom? It's logical to assume he provided the approximate area so I'm assuming this is where the assumption of a confession comes from?

 

[Pamcake1]

Yeah I haven't heard nor seen a report confirming he has confessed.? Also the reports say the area they are searching were provided to them but they didn't say by whom? It's logical to assume he provided the approximate area so I'm assuming this is where the assumption of a confession comes from?

Quoted in the press:
"Police, desperate for knowledge on where the bodies of the campers might have been disposed, grilled Lynn for a whopping four days before finally charging him with their murders.

It is understood detectives only received the information on the likely location on Thursday morning, with police making a preliminary scout of the rugged terrain.

Last night, Assistant Commissioner Hill stole the spotlight from Detective Inspector Andrew Stamper, who has tirelessly led the investigation for near on two years.

'This morning detectives identified a crime scene within the Great Alpine area and forensic specialists will commence searching at that location over the coming days,' Assistant Commissioner Hill told reporters."

 

[JWS2019]

Quoted in the press:
"Police, desperate for knowledge on where the bodies of the campers might have been disposed, grilled Lynn for a whopping four days before finally charging him with their murders.

It is understood detectives only received the information on the likely location on Thursday morning, with police making a preliminary scout of the rugged terrain.

Last night, Assistant Commissioner Hill stole the spotlight from Detective Inspector Andrew Stamper, who has tirelessly led the investigation for near on two years.

'This morning detectives identified a crime scene within the Great Alpine area and forensic specialists will commence searching at that location over the coming days,' Assistant Commissioner Hill told reporters."

Thanks Pam. Looks like they have something but unless further down doesn’t seem like he has confessed?