Current Trial Russell Hill & Carol Clay - Wonnangatta *Pilot Greg Lynn Pleads Not Guilty to Murder

[Kurve]

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On the Greg Lynn committal proceedings Crown Prosecutor Mr Dickie said 'It is clear hopefully from the document, and if it's not clear from the document it's clear hopefully from the charges put before the court, that it is alleged of course that the accused acted with murderous intent when he allegedly killed the two victims.'

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

I agree they’re going to have to prove intent. I don’t think a jury is going to buy an accident when his post offence behaviour is to burn the victims campsite down and bury their bodies elsewhere. That’s going to be an aggravating factor.

Its going to be one for the ages explaining it was accident with those facts.

He could say his intent was to knock over the tent, not realising the pair were in the tent. But what he did after that is harder to explain.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Is it slightly odd a party of 1 takes a trailer to a quite remote spot. Firewood?

Bringing out a trailer full of venison? I dunno

 

[MiguelM]

Unless the first one was carol by accident somehow .. then Russel jumped him.

it’s going to take a good lawyer.

If they have found the bodies, forensics may be telling.

 

[Sir_Loin]

He could say his intent was to knock over the tent, not realising the pair were in the tent. But what he did after that is harder to explain.

Assuming he did this at night time I’m not sure where else he thought they’d be

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

If they have found the bodies, forensics may be telling.

They probably won’t reveal the cause of death until the next court appearance.

 

[Terrafirma]

A possible alternate explanation is they’ve somehow worked it out from his GPS data as Steve The Dude said. He’d have GPS for his vehicle and probably a personal device while hunting. Maybe they got that data and saw he had walked that track at some point in the past. Surely he didn’t take a tourist visit past there while he was up there on this trip?

Could also explain a murder charge as he hasn’t confessed. Under this theory.

Great outcome to finally find the remains. Did he confess or not, we don't know yet as the Police haven't said despite the speculation. So it's either he confessed or they've pulled GPS tracks from his Navigator? The timing suggests one or the other as both of these options were possible when he and his vehicle were obtained. If he didn't know they were coming for him he'd have the navigator in the vehicle and the Police have secured the vehicle and him at the same time.

 

[Badd0g]

I think it's weird, it a big 4x4 with a full length roof rack, how much stuff does one person need?
Poaching wood or deer would be my guess, but I don't think his CS residence look like a firewood burning house.

From the pic taken on the GA Rd, my first thought was that there was something flat on top of it like perhaps he had rooftop tent kind of setup attached to it?

 

[utility]

I think you are on the money here. No reason to burn the tent unless sonething happened in the tent.

Threesome that went bad?

 

[FTY1]

If they have found the bodies, forensics may be telling.

Bodies may be preserved more if they were buried in the sleeping bags or boots both being missing items. IMO they might find possible causes of death but it would only be if there was some form of dna that associated with the accused.

If the bodies are those of CC and RH at least the defence can't use the line that maybe they left of their own free will.

 

[Sir_Loin]

Great outcome to finally find the remains. Did he confess or not, we don't know yet as the Police haven't said despite the speculation. So it's either he confessed or they've pulled GPS tracks from his Navigator? The timing suggests one or the other as both of these options were possible when he and his vehicle were obtained. If he didn't know they were coming for him he'd have the navigator in the vehicle and the Police have secured the vehicle and him at the same time.

Complete speculation of course. But if it is a full confession and he’s volunteered the location of the bodies and the police still charged him with two counts of murder it’s a slam dunk.

Given he’s evaded arrest until now I don’t think Lynn is going to give away the game that easy.

 

[Kurve]

lucky he has all this time to come up with a bullshit story and the only witness is himself

Unless they were both shot in the head, I don't know how one might spin that as an accident.

 

[Aussie Assault]

They probably won’t reveal the cause of death until the next court appearance.

Yeah do the cops continue to release any information now? Or is it's basically closed shop now that they've got him and the bodies just waiting until the court date?

 

[Terrafirma]

Did his vehicle have a GPS that the police interrogated?

All Pilots would religiously use a GPS I believe. He most likely had a Navigator with Hemma Maps and they may have extracted his tracks which are recorded everytime you navigate. So it's either that or he confessed or they somehow got hold of his phone pings or the deceased. Hill and Clays phones were gone as were their sleeping bags. Not sure we will ever be told how they got the vital co-ordinates?

 

[Terrafirma]

I may just repeat it is totally ridiculous how there was even an altercation in an area the size of wonnangatta with so much open space for everyone to enjoy. Personally where I set up camp is always a respectable distance from anyone else. It will be interesting to see how this went down. Most people I run into in the high country are more than polite and happy to have a beer over the a fireplace.

Not if someone flys a drone right over your campsite. The bush worker who was there on the day saw Hill flying the drone just before dark and he flew the drone over the workers camp site. The worker thought this was very rude. That's my tip on how it happened. If the drone never took flight they'd be alive today IMO.

 

[nut]

Okay, so while the cops had him under covert surveillance they couldn't access his GPS history?

under the 5 eyes agreement the UK,US,NZ and the Canadians could though … wink wink !!!
but …. Yeah!

 

[Hard Ball Get]

I think it's weird, it a big 4x4 with a full length roof rack, how much stuff does one person need?
Poaching wood or deer would be my guess, but I don't think his CS residence look like a firewood burning house.

I dont think it's that odd. Known to camp with the family so would require something big and would take that car even when solo because the day to day car cant handle some of the more remote roads or to avoid getting it dirty/damaged etc.
The 4x4 plus the trailer is probably overload though, I'll giveyou that!! Not sure why you'd need both when solo. Even if the only esky is large and if he had a larger tent, table and even a gazebo, you wouldnt need both.

 

[Terrafirma]

Hema maps device saved his trips to the actual device. They recover his trip for Friday night March 2020, go straight to the spot he stopped for 2 hours.

Yeah that's it basically. As a Pilot he would have used something exactly like this and most likely Hemma Maps as it has all the tracks in the area. It was Providence Spur Track looking at the photos the Sun released of the dig site.

 

[Badd0g]

Not if someone flys a drone right over your campsite. The bush worker who was there on the day saw Hill flying the drone just before dark and he flew the drone over the workers camp site. The worker thought this was very rude. That's my tip on how it happened. If the drone never took flight they'd be alive today IMO.

On another forum, one of his Ham radio mates (verified) suggested that that was the spot they (the group) always camped at so perhaps there was an element of "ownership". He has also said that Russell wouldn't have camped as far away from the firepit as he was unless someone else was camped there and that he was gruff but wouldn't have "pushed someone's buttons" if things got heated

 

[footscray1973]

He could say his intent was to knock over the tent, not realising the pair were in the tent. But what he did after that is harder to explain.

Still a risk of hitting their vehicle or the tree if he did that. What may support your theory or not is if he hits the tent while there's still some daylight.
Timeline is critical. If RH was flying his drone as the witness said, would have to be daylight. Portaloo not used indicates they're unlikely to have retired for the night. On the surface, seems he's killed them before they've gone to bed, accidentally or otherwise.
If he's hit the tent after dark, portaloo still unused, and bigger risk of hitting their vehicle or tree. Doesn't add up IMO.
As others have said, forensics on bodies will hopefully clarify some/all of those questions, but as I've posted earlier, GL still has some control of the narrative here. Might not change the sentencing outcome, but if he claims "RH was a grumpy aggressive pr1ck when I challenged him about flying his drone over my site" or similar (and several people have flagged RH in that light), RH and CC not alive to defend themselves or their actions.. Forensics will (hopefully) resolve manner of death, but not the possible events and/or altercation leasing up to it. Unless GL is open and confesses all, he can still claim he wasn't the aggressor. Doubt that's enough to downgrade murder to manslaughter, but will partly depend on how good a legal team he has.

 

[Badd0g]

Yeah that's it basically. As a Pilot he would have used something exactly like this and most likely Hemma Maps as it has all the tracks in the area. It was Providence Spur Track looking at the photos the Sun released of the dig site.

Can you delete tracks from a Hema/Garmin navigation device? I know all the options I use for nav you can...would you leave something that incriminating on your device if you'd knocked off two people and buried them in the bush?

 

[Terrafirma]

nut said:
He will plead not guilty to murder … self defence

charged with murder .. deal on the table if he locates the bodies.

convicted for manslaughter

Hard to plead manslaughter to 2 murders, one maybe..

I think the bodies will tell the story and once cause of death is determined we'll know that it was murder or something else. I'm tipping murder will be the final outcome.!

 

[footscray1973]

On another forum, one of his Ham radio mates (verified) suggested that that was the spot they (the group) always camped at so perhaps there was an element of "ownership". He has also said that Russell wouldn't have camped as far away from the firepit as he was unless someone else was camped there and that he was gruff but wouldn't have "pushed someone's buttons" if things got heated

Someone here claimed (quite a few pages back) RH could be a bit aggressive and had teeth knocked out in a camping altercation. Hard to verify, but a defence lawyer might line up a procession of witnesses saying similar.
Zidane98 and Terrafirma - think you're both on the money. You'd think with all that space there should be no need for confrontation or altercation, but that drone could be the trigger for it.

 

[annawinter608]

They probably won’t reveal the cause of death until the next court appearance.

The causes of death may not come out until the committal hearing. Unless the bodies tell a story that is only consistent with murder, or one that is inconsistent with any account Lynn might have given them, the police may be in the position they were in with Michael Guider of not being able to prove more than manslaughter with at least one of the pair.

If Lynn has been careful about what he’s said to the police, and not locked himself into a story that’s inconsistent with the evidence, murder could be hard to prove.

My guess from what has been reported about Lynn’s personality is that location data came through on Thursday from his phone or satnav and that he is digging in and making them prove it without help from him. The work on the bodies and the burial scene could take a really long time.


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[Sir_Loin]

The causes of death may not come out until the committal hearing. Unless the bodies tell a story that is only consistent with murder, or one that is inconsistent with any account Lynn might have given them, the police may be in the position they were in with Michael Guider of not being able to prove more than manslaughter with at least one of the pair.

If Lynn has been careful about what he’s said to the police, and not locked himself into a story that’s inconsistent with the evidence, murder could be hard to prove.

My guess from what has been reported about Lynn’s personality is that location data came through on Thursday from his phone or satnav and that he is digging in and making them prove it without help from him. The work on the bodies and the burial scene could take a really long time.


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Not to put too gruesome a point on it but the remains might not give up anything in terms of cause of death. Decomposition might be too great. The elements and local fauna may also contributed to their state.

 

[Terrafirma]

Can you delete tracks from a Hema/Garmin navigation device? I know all the options I use for nav you can...would you leave something that incriminating on your device if you'd knocked off two people and buried them in the bush?

Yes you can delete your tracks as they take up memory on the device. The Police know he was there on the day because of witness reports. But if he thought he was getting away with it or was using Hemma Cloud his tracks would have been recorded to the Cloud automatically. If he deleted a track this might also be known and kept as a log? the 20Mx20M search area is very specific and could well be GPS tracks so this seems likely or phone pings somehow. If the tracks put him at the search site on that night he is cooked. If he didn't confess he will be considering his options know I'm sure.