Ryan Griffen for #1 pick?

[Super Hans]

The dogs should trade Griffin, he is your best player and arguably a top 3 player in the league.
But... You'll get 4 years out of him and you blokes won't play finals anyway in those years.
Trade him for number 1, trade Cooney for something as well, don't make the same mistake St Kilda did.

So we'll make the same mistake Melbourne did instead?

 

[I am Jack]

If Hawthorn had the number 1 pick then oh god yes.

Im not sure if Griffen is exactly what GWS needs, But he's worth it. He's an absolute jet outside midfielder and a few clubs would want a star outside player right now

If GWS get Franklin, then Griffin is exactly what they need, would compliment Ward perfectly and if Scully could improve - which I think he will - then GWS could be big improvers.
They'd then probably need a good hit out ruckman, ie: Jamar would fill that need, he is a very good centre bounce and tap ruckman, would give the mids first use.

In saying that, Franklin is no sure thing to go anywhere.

 

[I am Jack]

So we'll make the same mistake Melbourne did instead?

MFC tanked, they didn't trade their best players for picks.
Melbourne are a rabble because their culture is terrible - partly as a result of tanking.

There is no comparison to Bullies trading Griffin for the best kid in the land - and MFC tanking.

If the Bullies play their cards right, they can set themselves up for the future.
It's about aiming high and aiming to win flags, not aiming to be just competitive.

 

[Super Hans]

MFC tanked, they didn't trade their best players for picks.
Melbourne are a rabble because their culture is terrible - partly as a result of tanking.

There is no comparison to Bullies trading Griffin for the best kid in the land - and MFC tanking.

If the Bullies play their cards right, they can set themselves up for the future.
It's about aiming high and aiming to win flags, not aiming to be just competitive.

We have hardly any players in the 22-28 age bracket, Griffen is one.
We have hardly any players who are quick, Griffen is one.
We have hardly any players who are elite kicks, Griffen is one.

If we trade him for pick one we are just creating another hole in our team for a kid who MIGHT fill a different hole. We need Ryan Griffen more than we need Tom Boyd.

IMO we will have pick one next year, and from what I've read next year is a KPF's draft. We can grab one then.

 

[I am Jack]

We have hardly any players in the 22-28 age bracket, Griffen is one.
We have hardly any players who are quick, Griffen is one.
We have hardly any players who are elite kicks, Griffen is one.

If we trade him for pick one we are just creating another hole in our team for a kid who MIGHT fill a different hole. We need Ryan Griffen more than we need Tom Boyd.

IMO we will have pick one next year, and from what I've read next year is a KPF's draft. We can grab one then.

Yeah, I think it's a legitimate 50/50 debate anyway, if the dogs were to offload Griffin, no-one could really criticize the move, same if they wish to keep him. He is that good, I think as far as 2013 goes, Griffin is just under Ablett and the equal of Pendles.
I'd offload him, but that is only my opinion.

 

[Super Hans]

Yeah, I think it's a legitimate 50/50 debate anyway, if the dogs were to offload Griffin, no-one could really criticize the move, same if they wish to keep him. He is that good, I think as far as 2013 goes, Griffin is just under Ablett and the equal of Pendles.
I'd offload him, but that is only my opinion.

IMO I think he's worth more than pick one anyway. Don't know if many would agree with that though.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I don't even know why this is a thread.

We are not trading Griffen, full stop. Any realistic scenario in which he could be traded, won't happen.

 

[DeadlyAkkuret]

Boring thread is boring. 0% chance of happening, not worth discussing.

Thanks for coming here to discuss that with us.

 

[Omega Blue]

If I was the WB i'd trade Griffen to GWS career best form doesn't last that's why you trade at a players peak and he's not going to be around for the dogs next flag tilt.
Next question is what is Griffen worth, because a proven player of Griffens calibre is worth more than pick 1, so i'd say pick 1 and an excess GWS midfielder preferably one that plays an outside role

 

[Peter Wallis]

If I was the WB i'd trade Griffen to GWS
career best form doesn't last that's why you trade at a players peak and he's not going to be around for the dogs next flag tilt.
Next question is what is Griffen worth, because a proven player of Griffens calibre is worth more than pick 1, so i'd say pick 1 and an excess GWS midfielder preferably one that plays an outside role

I'm sure GWS would be happy with the trade but there is no way Griffen will be traded. He will be our next captain & if we traded him I don't think it would go down well with the players as he is much loved.

 

[Omega Blue]

I'm sure GWS would be happy with the trade but there is no way Griffen will be traded. He will be our next captain & if we traded him I don't think it would go down well with the players as he is much loved.

Ahh and that here is the only reason one wouldn't trade out a player, when they clearly wont be around for there next flag. If a player like Griffen is so intertwined within the culture of the club he'd cause a detrimental effect when traded. That and if the aforementioned player can help develop the future generation he shouldn't be traded.

Although in my opinion as a list management point of view Griffen falls into the Goddard category whereas someone like Boyd (as in Matthew) is more in your Reiwoldt category. IMO one can be lost whereas the other can't. Just my opinion so it actually doesn't count for much, although yours does as a supporter of the club I would like to think the club would be doing things to appease members and future members because after all you guys pay the bills.

 

[BLPC08]

Boring thread is boring. 0% chance of happening, not worth discussing.

If it's zero percent of happening, your club is doing the supporters a disservice. I personally think you'd be ripping GWS off; Players decline around the age of 29-30, meaning Griffin has around three more years of great footy left. Considering you're a very slim chance of making the finals over the three years, why wouldn't you take on a potential superstar who could carry your forward-line for a decade? Pretty stupid if you'd ask me. I'd trade Buddy for Boyd any day of the week.

 

[BLPC08]

Grif is a jet worth multiple picks in the top 10

He's barely worth a single top-10 pick. As mentioned before, he'll be 28 next season, meaning he's got 2-3 years max of elite football left in him. You only have to see the rapid decline of Judd to know how risky it is to take on an aging midfielder - regardless of how talented they are.

 

[Dazb86]

He's barely worth a single top-10 pick. As mentioned before, he'll be 28 next season, meaning he's got 2-3 years max of elite football left in him. You only have to see the rapid decline of Judd to know how risky it is to take on an aging midfielder - regardless of how talented they are.

 

[Watson_my_mind]

Considering the effect Gary Ablett has had on the young Gold Coast mids, I don't think the fact Griffen is 28 next year is a big problem.

He is worth more than pick one, try pick 1 and Taylor Adams and maybe even a bit more. Here is a proven superstar arguably number two midfielder in the competition right now and would give those young GWS boys including Scully and Ward a massive leg up. They would learn how to become elite and what it takes.

 

[Igloo]

He's barely worth a single top-10 pick. As mentioned before, he'll be 28 next season, meaning he's got 2-3 years max of elite football left in him. You only have to see the rapid decline of Judd to know how risky it is to take on an aging midfielder - regardless of how talented they are.

Just lost all credibility. One of the more ridiculous things i've read on here.

 

[flyingfishdang]

The dogs just wont trade him. He's a heart and soul type player at our club and has publicly stated he never wants to leave. In my opinion he will be the captain next year. You simply don't trade a guy like that.. As a supporter I would be devastated, but like I said, it simply would not even be entertained.

 

[Livinthedream]

Trade him to Hawthorn and then we will have picks 2 (Roughead), 3 (Griffin), 5 (Buddy) and 7 (Lewis) from that draft

 

[markm106]

My first thoughts were no way, you need to keep Griffin. But thinknig about it again with the young mids the dogs have it would not be the worst idea. If Boyd turns out as good as people are saying he would prove a better player than Griffin given he is KP. Don't think it would happen though.

 

[Kaiser Powser]

As hard as it would be for the Dogs to do this, I think they should.

Would be a win/win IMO.

 

[donbooger]

He is worth the first pick and more to just about every side, but not GWS. Just 2 years younger and they would be on him like moths to flame.

I think Buddy Franklin would be the oldest superstar player they will consider just because he is Buddy Franklin and they can build there supporter base off him. Other them him I think they would be happier risking a bit less actual superstar and bit more potential superstar and a few years younger.

 

[threenewpadlocks]

I am still at a loss at why people say we should trade him.

He's on a relatively low contract considering his market worth, he's declared publicly he wants to be a bulldogs for life, he captained us this year when Boyd was injured, he is likely to be our captain next year, and if we're challenging for a flag in 2016 (a reasonable date) then during that season he's going to begin the year a 29 year old and turn 30 part way through, where is likely to be still somewhat near his peak. Seriously?

 

[SAINTKILDA]

Dogs won't trade him for anything, he'll take the tag and help their up and coming mids develop and play with the freedom they'd get without a hard tag

 

[El_Scorcho]

I think it's a really good deal if you take the emotion out of it. He's worth it and it would fill a need for both sides.

A champion mid who can help bring up all the kids and add a lot of skill and class for GWS, and that limitless talent KPF that the dogs would give an arm and a leg for.

It wont happen because Griffen probably loves the Bulldogs too much.

Also the Dogs probably would rather Griffen around to help bring through their next batch, and he'll probably there, albeit getting on a bit, for their next charge up the ladder, provided they manage their list well.

 

[Moist Biscuit]

He's barely worth a single top-10 pick. As mentioned before, he'll be 28 next season, meaning he's got 2-3 years max of elite football left in him. You only have to see the rapid decline of Judd to know how risky it is to take on an aging midfielder - regardless of how talented they are.

I would Take Griffen over any player in your team besides Roughead and Franklin.