Opinion Sack Hinkley 5 - Lower The Blinds

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JimmyBC said:
Ken's contract into 2023 is dependant on results.. at least according to Wildy, so the blinds are down on that already unless scraping into finals (lol not likely) is a pass mark.
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I have heard the same, with the performance not just results but a GF
 
So is a coach's pay period the entire calendar year? or is it like October to October or somethng like that?

Just wondering how it works with the 6 month payout? Does it mean the sooner we sack him it triggers the 6 month payout from that point? Or does it mean he gets this years salary and another 6 months of nexts years salary on top of that? RussellEbertHandball?
 
MrMeaner said:
The farce that was Mitch running into goal, stuffing it up, passing it to Mayes, who stuffed it up was as good an encapsulation of where we are at the moment. There is no structure within which the players can work. They are out there being asked to play jazz without anyone setting the rhythm.

The thing you notice about the best sides is players have confidence under pressure because they know where their support is going to be, where their bailout will be if the first option fails. We have never had that. The midfield flicks it around to each other, all under pressure, until someone, anyone, gets enough space for a hack kick forward. There is no way for the forward line to prepare for that, so they are reactive. That's why their first option is to bring it to the ground, because it is assumed that every forward entry will be a contest.

The same thing is true all over the ground.

So far, we have been able to rely on the individual brilliance of Gray or Wingard or similar to save our arses. We have been able to rely on someone like Boak just working his ******* legs off to present an option. We have been able to rely on Aliir (and before him Jonas) to work from his opponent to a contest. But that is only good enough while you have those players able to play those roles. When the individual talent isn't there, the absence of a plan is disastrous.

Incidentally, I am sure the lack of a plan is why Ken is so inactive in the box.
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that was kind of sad, as much as i want stinkley gone, i don't want our players losing complete confidence in their ability or wanting to leave. this is unfortunately the result though of the current disconnect between fans and club staff.
 

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The football media's belief in Ken Hinkley is simply ridiculous. Their arguments for his retention boil amount to four invalid ideas:
1. His winning record, prelim finals, etc: If he was at all responsible for the success, he must be responsible for the failures.
2. It's not Ken's fault, the players are to blame: With a long-tenured coach, it is almost always the coach's fault.
3. Well who is going to be better than KH?: Anyone with a pulse will offer more than 'we can improve' 'it's a long season'
4. Sacking coaches mid-season means instability: a crowd of 23,000 against the top team shows that stability has already left the building.

If Ken Hinkley were a publicly traded share, David Koch would have sold all his stocks when Gold Coast came knocking. Instead, he holds the shares (paid for by Port members, corporate partners and supporters) until they are absolutely worthless. A good bloke is our Kochie.
 
Eddie Woloschek said:
The football media's belief in Ken Hinkley is simply ridiculous. Their arguments for his retention boil amount to four invalid ideas:
1. His winning record, prelim finals, etc: If he was at all responsible for the success, he must be responsible for the failures.
2. It's not Ken's fault, the players are to blame: With a long-tenured coach, it is almost always the coach's fault.
3. Well who is going to be better than KH?: Anyone with a pulse will offer more than 'we can improve' 'it's a long season'
4. Sacking coaches mid-season means instability: a crowd of 23,000 against the top team shows that stability has already left the building.

If Ken Hinkley were a publicly traded share, David Koch would have sold all his stocks when Gold Coast came knocking. Instead, he holds the shares (paid for by Port members, corporate partners and supporters) until they are absolutely worthless. A good bloke is our Kochie.
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It's this one that gets me. Like, really? Hawthorn parted ways with arguably the greatest coach of the modern era but here at Port Adelaide there might not be anyone else better than 3 time prelim loser K.Hinkley?

**** me
 
The thing with these finals appearances/top 4 finishes - were they ever taken seriously?

Like did anyone ever actually rate Port Adelaide as a legitimate premiership threat?

The answer is no, because Port Adelaide has always been unreliable against top 4 teams in the Hinkley-era. The media chooses to ignore this now to defend old mate gollum
 
Eddie Woloschek said:
The football media's belief in Ken Hinkley is simply ridiculous. Their arguments for his retention boil amount to four invalid ideas:
1. His winning record, prelim finals, etc: If he was at all responsible for the success, he must be responsible for the failures.
2. It's not Ken's fault, the players are to blame: With a long-tenured coach, it is almost always the coach's fault.
3. Well who is going to be better than KH?: Anyone with a pulse will offer more than 'we can improve' 'it's a long season'
4. Sacking coaches mid-season means instability: a crowd of 23,000 against the top team shows that stability has already left the building.

If Ken Hinkley were a publicly traded share, David Koch would have sold all his stocks when Gold Coast came knocking. Instead, he holds the shares (paid for by Port members, corporate partners and supporters) until they are absolutely worthless. A good bloke is our Kochie.
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This is a great breakdown.
The winning record stuff irritates me so bad. I think that argument is valid if you're a coach in his 3rd year of a list or something. As you said, it also disproportionately attributes that success to the coach. I think supporters know the difference between a few players performing poorly and a systemic issue. The fact that the supporter base has been banging the same drum about the same issues, even in our more successful years, to see zero improvement in those same areas (in fact we've gone backwards) means this isn't just an issue of a coach being the victim of circumstance. We are getting severely found out this year. We've also systematically seen players fail to develop. Perhaps as a supporter base, this has been overrated at times, but we are no different to any other club in that respect. The media fails to acknowledge that the supporters have seen all of these persistent issues for many years. The argument that "you need a lot to go right, and a lot of luck to win a premiership"... well we had 2 years of that. We had a global pandemic conspire to generate a very favourable draw and quarter length that suited our then "play style" down to the ground and we couldn't get it done. The players have done the "try harder", they've had their lucky years, they've won games off the back of individual talent and brilliance. When that's all stripped away, our lack of system and depth is killing us.
 
Papa G said:
Do most of you sit near the southern goals or something? This seems like the realm of the Happy Clapper. Those boobs in the cheer squad and the like?

I sit in the western stand (well not once this year). Most of the people there are ex Footy Park members. That means most have been around a long time. There is no Happy Clapping going on here. People are highly critical. Theres no "go support the Tingles" stuff.
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I sit in the West and there are plenty of happy clappers.
Usually women, the same who tell me I'm too harsh on Hinkley.
Similar on facebook it is disproportionately women defending the club.

Is it a weird loyalty thing? The same way they stay in relationships too long.
 
WhyAlwaysMe said:
Hopefully the "he's lost the players" murmurs start soon. Once that happens you basically have to leave immediately.
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You know - I heard this week he was sickly sweet with them, didn't go hard on Mayes, and when reviewing they stopped the tape prior to the last kick.

He knows that losing the players is the last straw.
 

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Zifa said:
You know - I heard this week he was sickly sweet with them, didn't go hard on Mayes, and when reviewing they stopped the tape prior to the last kick.

He knows that losing the players is the last straw.
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Hasn't this always been the way with him though. It's no surprise players love him. Imagine getting paid that much and being able to rock up to work and not having to be accountable for anything. I'd never want my boss to go if I was in that situation.
 
WhyAlwaysMe said:
Hasn't this always been the way with him though. It's no surprise players love him. Imagine getting paid that much and being able to rock up to work and not having to be accountable for anything. I'd never want my boss to go if I was in that situation.
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Unless you are Chad Wingard or Peter Ladhams of course.
 
Eddie Woloschek said:
The football media's belief in Ken Hinkley is simply ridiculous. Their arguments for his retention boil amount to four invalid ideas:
1. His winning record, prelim finals, etc: If he was at all responsible for the success, he must be responsible for the failures.
2. It's not Ken's fault, the players are to blame: With a long-tenured coach, it is almost always the coach's fault.
3. Well who is going to be better than KH?: Anyone with a pulse will offer more than 'we can improve' 'it's a long season'
4. Sacking coaches mid-season means instability: a crowd of 23,000 against the top team shows that stability has already left the building.

If Ken Hinkley were a publicly traded share, David Koch would have sold all his stocks when Gold Coast came knocking. Instead, he holds the shares (paid for by Port members, corporate partners and supporters) until they are absolutely worthless. A good bloke is our Kochie.
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What's his winning percentage down to now?

He's fast losing his one remaining argument.

EDIT: It's 59%

Could be 54% by the end of the year at this rate
 
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