Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[Powerage]

Lycett sucks, McKenzie and Clurey both suck, Jones/Sinn/Duursma/Bergman are kids who aren't yet having big impacts on games whether they're injured or not, and Fantasia is always injured. Dixon is really the only name on that list worth worrying about.

Lycett, McKenzie and Clurey may suck, they are the best we have in positions where we lack depth. Every time Jones is building to impact games he gets injured. Dursma and Bergman have both impacted games in their first seasons playing AFL especially Bergman with his versatility. IIRC correctly wasn't it you who was defending Fantasia and his ability to come good after his first season? Sinn is probably the only name on that list I shouldn't have worried about although he has played one game in his first season. Rozee led our goalkicking in his first season, Butters mad the AA squad in his second.

It's fine to look at the injuries in a vacuum, but everyone has injuries, and if you think that the gap between where the team finished this season and winning a premiership is solely down to injuries, then any discussion on that is futile.

Forget making finals, this club was expected to contend for a flag and injuries aside, they came no where close.

I said four of the eight players, hell even three and we would have made the eight. We missed eighth by two games and percentage, and we lost seven games by two goals or less. Anyone who disagrees that we wouldn't make finals with three or four of those players is delusional. We may have finished higher.

I'm not saying that is an acceptable result. Although even at full strength we may have just sufferred another embarassing Grand Final loss to Geelong. How good would that have been???

Yes injuries aside, no doubt there are other issues probably just as important. Ken kills doggies (I like that) is at the head of them IMO. Hopefully though after the trade or draft between Fantasia and Rioli we get one good small forward that greatly improves our forward line at least. One way or another with pick 8 we hopefully get some more depth where we need it.

So, I simply think the reported steepness of our slide is greatly exaggerated.

 

[Powerage]

And not having Dixon lead to Finlayson and Marshall working together to play Marshall into form. Had Dixon been in all year, the "bomb it long to Charlie" plan stays and Marshall is close to delist or trade right now.

Or Marshall becomes our second Westhoff or Lynch playing up the ground, or Marshall finds form anyway as the focus is taken off him and Charlie contests against at least two defenders again or as Charlie spends more time in the ruck Marshall has more time to play himself into being a potent key forward or the penny drops for the coach and/or the players and they start lowering their eyes to players on a lead given that Marshall took many more marks on a lead this year than contested ones etc etc.

 

[gbear]

Hinkley and Jonas both said they didn't know why we were so terrible in last years preliminary final against the Bulldogs but would do everything to ensure it didn't happen again. (Which doesn't make sense because its hard to fix something without knowing the problem...like looking in the mirror) Trade Sam Hayes. I reckon he's the problem!

They did everything they could by not repeating the prelim effort by being absolute and not even making the finals. Problem solved:

 

[Chewy316]

Lycett, McKenzie and Clurey may suck, they are the best we have in positions where we lack depth. Every time Jones is building to impact games he gets injured. Dursma and Bergman have both impacted games in their first seasons playing AFL especially Bergman with his versatility. IIRC correctly wasn't it you who was defending Fantasia and his ability to come good after his first season? Sinn is probably the only name on that list I shouldn't have worried about although he has played one game in his first season. Rozee led our goalkicking in his first season, Butters mad the AA squad in his second.



I said four of the eight players, hell even three and we would have made the eight. We missed eighth by two games and percentage, and we lost seven games by two goals or less. Anyone who disagrees that we wouldn't make finals with three or four of those players is delusional. We may have finished higher.

I'm not saying that is an acceptable result. Although even at full strength we may have just sufferred another embarassing Grand Final loss to Geelong. How good would that have been???

Yes injuries aside, no doubt there are other issues probably just as important. Ken kills doggies (I like that) is at the head of them IMO. Hopefully though after the trade or draft between Fantasia and Rioli we get one good small forward that greatly improves our forward line at least. One way or another with pick 8 we hopefully get some more depth where we need it.

So, I simply think the reported steepness of our slide is greatly exaggerated.

Who honestly GAF if they would have made finals if not for injuries? Even at full strength blind Freddy can see that this team is a mile off the top sides.

You could put Geelong's premiership 22 into the Port team and this coaching staff and footy department would find a way to **** it up.

Until the footy department significantly changes its structures, it is not going to matter who the players are.

 

[Jason K]

Lycett, McKenzie and Clurey may suck, they are the best we have in positions where we lack depth. Every time Jones is building to impact games he gets injured. Dursma and Bergman have both impacted games in their first seasons playing AFL especially Bergman with his versatility. IIRC correctly wasn't it you who was defending Fantasia and his ability to come good after his first season? Sinn is probably the only name on that list I shouldn't have worried about although he has played one game in his first season. Rozee led our goalkicking in his first season, Butters mad the AA squad in his second.



I said four of the eight players, hell even three and we would have made the eight. We missed eighth by two games and percentage, and we lost seven games by two goals or less. Anyone who disagrees that we wouldn't make finals with three or four of those players is delusional. We may have finished higher.

I'm not saying that is an acceptable result. Although even at full strength we may have just sufferred another embarassing Grand Final loss to Geelong. How good would that have been???

Yes injuries aside, no doubt there are other issues probably just as important. Ken kills doggies (I like that) is at the head of them IMO. Hopefully though after the trade or draft between Fantasia and Rioli we get one good small forward that greatly improves our forward line at least. One way or another with pick 8 we hopefully get some more depth where we need it.

So, I simply think the reported steepness of our slide is greatly exaggerated.

So you think if 3 of the players that were injured this year stayed fit, we make the 8? Did you watch us at all?

Anyhow, why did we have so many injuries in the 1st place. Our fitness department has deteriorated and Ken plays anyone with niggles into the ground.

If Lycett plays all season we're actually worse off, but he's cooked anyway (thats just my opinion). McKenzie and Clurey are getting on and playing against the bigger bodies, I don't think they will suddenly be more durable. Jonas is old, Gray is gone. I just can't see where improvement comes from.

I really want to see Butters 100% fit and firing, same as Duurs. Would like to see Sinn come on. I really don't see this making a difference.

 

[Chachi]

Lycett sucks, McKenzie and Clurey both suck, Jones/Sinn/Duursma/Bergman are kids who aren't yet having big impacts on games whether they're injured or not, and Fantasia is always injured. Dixon is really the only name on that list worth worrying about.

Im not saying we can’t be critical of our players, I just think we need to remember they’re our players.

 

[Loony Juice]

Greetings trendsetters. Am a bit off the pace here in in Loony land. Had some other commitments. Being a productive member of society................aahhh yeah vomit.

Wasn't actually sure where to post this

Completed the end of season member survey with my usual good cheer and polite, subtle suggestions

 

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[Janus]

Poster states that maybe injuries might have had an influence on where we finished this year.

FigBooty says this is bullshit.

Poster points out that the difference between 11th and 8th was losses against Adelaide and Carlton by 4 and 3 points respectively, both where Dixon didn’t play. Asks if FigBooty is reasonable enough to accept that Dixon is worth a goal against these sides. Especially since the last time Dixon didn’t play until half way through the year was 2019 and we missed finals then as well.

FigBooty isn’t reasonable because that would require the acceptance of a world beyond their control.

Poster shrugs, suggests that this is the reason why no one sane listens to their opinions about the coaching situation, and goes about his day.

 

[Janus]

And then everybody clapped.

 

[PatientMental]

Poster states that maybe injuries might have had an influence on where we finished this year.

FigBooty says this is bullshit.

Poster points out that the difference between 11th and 8th was losses against Adelaide and Carlton by 4 and 3 points respectively, both where Dixon didn’t play. Asks if FigBooty is reasonable enough to accept that Dixon is worth a goal against these sides. Especially since the last time Dixon didn’t play until half way through the year was 2019 and we missed finals then as well.

FigBooty isn’t reasonable because that would require the acceptance of a world beyond their control.

Poster shrugs, suggests that this is the reason why no one sane listens to their opinions about the coaching situation, and goes about his day.

Because you're batshit.

Every team loses critical players every year.

Tom Stewart missed a chunk of footy for the year and they still won it all.

As did dangerfield.

Etc etc

 

[PatientMental]

Port missed the brownlow runner up and one of the greatest ruckmen of our time and won the flag

 

[PatientMental]

Brodie grundy

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Brodie Grundy

Age

30

Ht

202cm

Wt

105kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

17.5

4star

K

8.0

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.1

5star

HO

32.0

5star

D

16.4

4star

K

6.8

3star

HB

9.6

5star

CL

4.0

5star

HO

34.6

5star

D

13.8

4star

K

5.2

2star

HB

8.6

5star

CL

2.6

5star

HO

20.6

5star

played a grand total of 6 games and they still made a prelim

Freo made a semi final after not having their best player and captain for most of the year.

Your argument is weak as shit

 

[DaTBird187]

tUrN iT aRoUnD oR wAtCh OuT

 

[TeeKray]

The worrying thing is that the people who run the club think exactly like Janus. There's always something conspiring against us, something beyond our control, something that will be better next year when all the planets align and our time of destiny finally arrives. And every year we watch other teams play in the grand final and other teams win the premiership.

 

[El_Scorcho]

Joel Selwood this week is getting praise around the globe for his generous acts with Auskick kids, Ablett's kid, Sam the waterboy etc. Really making his community proud.

Something he was able to do because he won a flag and everyone was watching. I'm sure there would be lots of feelgood stories surrounding Sydney if they won.

Imagine how proud we could make our community if we won Premierships

 

[PrisonBars4life]

The worrying thing is that the people who run the club think exactly like Janus. There's always something conspiring against us, something beyond our control, something that will be better next year when all the planets align and our time of destiny finally arrives. And every year we watch other teams play in the grand final and other teams win the premiership.

If you don't think we get a bounce next year, I don't know what to tell you. We'll finish 6th-8th and that will be enough to sack Hinkley. Anything less than a flag or being close enough to one that the club thinks Hinkley might still be capable of winning one and he's out.

The people hoping for a bottom 4 and death riding every gameday thread with 'I hope we lose' posts can suck my dick. Being around the mark will help us secure a good coach. You're not going to get a top tier coach from outside SA take the job on for a bottom 4 side when there isn't Adelaide/Essendon/ Collingwood money coming with it. You might find sacking the coach along with a bottom 4 finish has a blue-chip player or 2 leaving (and no prospect of recruits coming the other way).

As long as the board have set a kpi of top 4 and strong finals performance or **** off, that is good enough for me.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

Poster states that maybe injuries might have had an influence on where we finished this year.

FigBooty says this is bullshit.

Poster points out that the difference between 11th and 8th was losses against Adelaide and Carlton by 4 and 3 points respectively, both where Dixon didn’t play. Asks if FigBooty is reasonable enough to accept that Dixon is worth a goal against these sides. Especially since the last time Dixon didn’t play until half way through the year was 2019 and we missed finals then as well.

FigBooty isn’t reasonable because that would require the acceptance of a world beyond their control.

Poster shrugs, suggests that this is the reason why no one sane listens to their opinions about the coaching situation, and goes about his day.

The difference between 11th and 12th was wins against St Kilda and Gold Coast by 1 point and 2 points respectively.

 

[EskimoPAFC]

I honestly think we had the best injury run we've had in the last 8 years.

We literally missed nobody outside of a couple of injury prone players and old blokes. The only guy we missed in a serious, non-predictable sense was AA, and even he played 19 games.

 

[TimTime]

As long as the board have set a kpi of top 4 and strong finals performance or * off, that is good enough for me.

Your assuming the board is competent an capable of setting kpi’s as a standard - sugar hit central will be happy to make finals

 

[philreich]

Joel Selwood this week is getting praise around the globe for his generous acts with Auskick kids, Ablett's kid, Sam the waterboy etc. Really making his community proud.

Something he was able to do because he won a flag and everyone was watching. I'm sure there would be lots of feelgood stories surrounding Sydney if they won.

Imagine how proud we could make our community if we won Premierships

What's the problem - we're a stable club on and off the field, so who cares about winning?

 

[raptalia]

I honestly think we had the best injury run we've had in the last 8 years.

We literally missed nobody outside of a couple of injury prone players and old blokes. The only guy we missed in a serious, non-predictable sense was AA, and even he played 19 games.

We had Dixon, Aliir and Fantasia missing for almost all of the first 5 games. On top of that Clurey missed 3 of the first 5, as did Robbie Gray, Duursma and Bergmann. We lost the first 5 and I would say that injuries to key players were a huge factor in the abysmal start to the year and once we were 0-5 we were always going to struggle to make the eight. Of course later in the season the loss of Lycett added to our woes.

We also seemed to loose a lot of players due to AFL Covid protocols. I do not know how many players the other sides lost but we appeared to have our fair share.

At one stage the Port Magpies fielded a SANFL side with just 6 AFL listed players in it. That was down to injury and Covid protocols.

 

[Cam1870]

Poster states that maybe injuries might have had an influence on where we finished this year.

FigBooty says this is bullshit.

Poster points out that the difference between 11th and 8th was losses against Adelaide and Carlton by 4 and 3 points respectively, both where Dixon didn’t play. Asks if FigBooty is reasonable enough to accept that Dixon is worth a goal against these sides. Especially since the last time Dixon didn’t play until half way through the year was 2019 and we missed finals then as well.

FigBooty isn’t reasonable because that would require the acceptance of a world beyond their control.

Poster shrugs, suggests that this is the reason why no one sane listens to their opinions about the coaching situation, and goes about his day.

10 years. 0 GFs.
It's not just about this year so it's not something that can be explained away by key injuries or an after the siren kick or any number of small misfortunes that every club has to deal with.
Up until the current regime, there was never a time in our history when no GFs in a decade meant keep the status quo and gaslight the supporters