Opinion Sack Hinkley 7 - "Turn it around or watch out"

[VineValerian]

On this again, when Hinkley first arrived that was the talk. He hated losing. He hated losing more than he liked winning.

That always struck me as loser talk to the extreme. If the motivation is to not lose, you've already lost I reckon.

You have to want to win, to be a winner.

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100% damn right with this.

 

[Ningo]

 

[Jonts]

On this again, when Hinkley first arrived that was the talk. He hated losing. He hated losing more than he liked winning.

That always struck me as loser talk to the extreme. If the motivation is to not lose, you've already lost I reckon.

You have to want to win, to be a winner. To be the best.

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Big disagree here

Many of the all time winners hated winning more than they liked winning

Jordan, kobe, steve waugh off the top of my head

 

[tribey]

we won 2 finals in 8 seasons

thats pretty unbelievably s**t to me.

On my Facebook comments section travels,

“What has Chris Fagan ever achieved?”

— “He’s won as many finals this month as Hinkley has since 2015”

“It’s easy to be selective. How many had he won from 2015-2021?”

 

[RossFC]

We lost the fire in the belly!!!

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Geelong.

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This is a living nightmare. There is no way Ken Hinkley and Tom Jonas are lifting a premiership cup together.

In 2023 everyone on social media need to heap the pressure on Kochie to step down if crap continues hitting the fan.

 

[Del165198]

Jonas position as captain is untenable surely

 

[philreich]

Jonas position as captain is untenable surely

He's barely in our best 22 right now, let alone captain material.

 

[Finest of Wines]

He's barely in our best 22 right now, let alone captain material.

Owning investments with hinkley/CD should ensure he remains in the starting 22

 

[Jojay]

2021 prelims. Cat's and Port get smashed, one of those teams believe it was a poor effort and respond the following year, the other believes they are on the right track and stability and Ken ducking Hinkley is the way to go.

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Wow. That paints the whole picture right there. Need to send that to rucci, koch and the rest of these happy clappers.

And to think all the so called experts had us playing in the granny and Geelong slipping down the ladder at the start of the year.

 

[Steve Dore]

Owning investments with hinkley/CD should ensure he remains in the starting 22

What investments does Jonas own with Hinkley and/or CD?

Are you thinking of Hinkley's preferred captain Ollie Wines?

 

[dirty2]

Lost the fire? That's time to retire isn't it?

 

[Andre]

Jonas position as captain is untenable surely

Jonas is smart enough to know the Captaincy ensures he's picked every week. He's fully invested in mutual praising with Hinkley. Hinkley wants a Captain who goes above and beyond the required level of support for a coach, which Jonas's situation gives. Wines supports Hinkley, but doesn't have the 'need' to grovel and demean the fans on his behalf. Given how much Hinkley is a cowardly little man on the inside, I'm still expecting Jonas Captain next year.

I'll be happy if Jonas isn't Captain. It'd be the first, very small, step to moving on from the shit show the Koch/KT/Richo/Hinkley/Jonas era has been. Given the 'circle the wagons' mentality of 'It's the fans who are wrong!', don't hold your breath though.

 

[edgie]

Big disagree here

Many of the all time winners hated winning more than they liked winning

Jordan, kobe, steve waugh off the top of my head

They hated winning? Explains why Jordan gave it away for Baseball, Or went to Washington.

 

[Andre]

Big disagree here

Many of the all time winners hated winning more than they liked winning

Jordan, kobe, steve waugh off the top of my head

There's some subtlety required here. It's ok as a player or coach to hate losing, more than liking winning. Where it becomes a problem is for coaches it risks becoming they coach not to lose, rather than to win. There's a distinction there. Coaching not to lose in the AFL is things like overloading a list with defenders, worrying more about locking it in forward being as (or more) important as scoring. It's coaches playing to minimise losses, rather than take the risks in pursuit of the ultimate win(s).

Hinkley 2013-2014 coached (mostly) like he valued winning more. When we were behind he backed the team in to run over the opposition. 2015 to now, he's clearly now in the coaching not to lose group.

The only time, IMO, it's acceptable to have a coach setting up not to lose, is if they have taken over a club that's a basketcase and first have to stem the bleeding. Once that's done, that attitude has no place and they'd need to switch to trying to win or it's time to move them on. Ironically if Hinkley had coached not to lose his first couple of years, that would have been acceptable, given where we were prior. To go from wanting to win, to coaching not to lose is the worst trajectory a coach can make, regardless of any (non-Premiership, which is pretty much not going to happen with that attitude) result.

 

[Doctor Feel]

tUrN iT aRoUnD oR wAtCh OuT

 

[JimmyBC]

Here at Ken Hinkley FC we turn it around or watch out!

 

[Jonts]

I ****ed that quote up

They hated losing more than they liked winning

 

[johnnysix]

we won 2 finals in 8 seasons

thats pretty unbelievably s**t to me.

My point here is some people here have been writing off the teams and I think it has way more to do with Hinkley and his limitations than it does our teams / list.

 

[Alberton Proud]

Hinkley and Jonas saying they don't know why is a euphemism for a lot of it has to do with injuries but it is considered whinging to blame a bad season on injuries so better to look a bit bewildered and say we will leave no stone unturned to find out why.

Consider if we had only 4 of these 8 players available uninjured for the whole season:

Fantasia
Lycett
Jones
Sinn
Duursma
Dixon
McKenzie/Clurey
Bergman

not to mention what impact Wine's atrial fibrillation had on his season. A difference of only 5% makes a tremendous difference to elite athletes playing at that level. Gray has admitted to playing with a crumbly knee all year as well after being injured early in the season and was inexplicably then forced to play much of the season in the midfield instead of up forward.

We may not have finished in the top 4, but we almost certainly have played finals.

Yeah






Nah

 

[Chewy316]

Hinkley and Jonas saying they don't know why is a euphemism for a lot of it has to do with injuries but it is considered whinging to blame a bad season on injuries so better to look a bit bewildered and say we will leave no stone unturned to find out why.

Consider if we had only 4 of these 8 players available uninjured for the whole season:

Fantasia
Lycett
Jones
Sinn
Duursma
Dixon
McKenzie/Clurey
Bergman

not to mention what impact Wine's atrial fibrillation had on his season. A difference of only 5% makes a tremendous difference to elite athletes playing at that level. Gray has admitted to playing with a crumbly knee all year as well after being injured early in the season and was inexplicably then forced to play much of the season in the midfield instead of up forward.

We may not have finished in the top 4, but we almost certainly have played finals.

It's fine to look at the injuries in a vacuum, but everyone has injuries, and if you think that the gap between where the team finished this season and winning a premiership is solely down to injuries, then any discussion on that is futile.

Forget making finals, this club was expected to contend for a flag and injuries aside, they came no where close.

 

[blackholeguns]

Hinkley and Jonas saying they don't know why is a euphemism for a lot of it has to do with injuries but it is considered whinging to blame a bad season on injuries so better to look a bit bewildered and say we will leave no stone unturned to find out why.

Consider if we had only 4 of these 8 players available uninjured for the whole season:

Fantasia
Lycett
Jones
Sinn
Duursma
Dixon
McKenzie/Clurey
Bergman

not to mention what impact Wine's atrial fibrillation had on his season. A difference of only 5% makes a tremendous difference to elite athletes playing at that level. Gray has admitted to playing with a crumbly knee all year as well after being injured early in the season and was inexplicably then forced to play much of the season in the midfield instead of up forward.

We may not have finished in the top 4, but we almost certainly have played finals.

From that list, a fit Dixon, Lycett, Fantasia and Duursma surely would have made things interesting.

Unsure how disadvantaged we were by COVID protocols compared to the rest of comp as well.

 

[Schulzenfest]

Hinkley and Jonas saying they don't know why is a euphemism for a lot of it has to do with injuries but it is considered whinging to blame a bad season on injuries so better to look a bit bewildered and say we will leave no stone unturned to find out why.

Consider if we had only 4 of these 8 players available uninjured for the whole season:

Fantasia
Lycett
Jones
Sinn
Duursma
Dixon
McKenzie/Clurey
Bergman

not to mention what impact Wine's atrial fibrillation had on his season. A difference of only 5% makes a tremendous difference to elite athletes playing at that level. Gray has admitted to playing with a crumbly knee all year as well after being injured early in the season and was inexplicably then forced to play much of the season in the midfield instead of up forward.

We may not have finished in the top 4, but we almost certainly have played finals.

Lycett sucks, McKenzie and Clurey both suck, Jones/Sinn/Duursma/Bergman are kids who aren't yet having big impacts on games whether they're injured or not, and Fantasia is always injured. Dixon is really the only name on that list worth worrying about.

 

[rumoursofwinter]

Hinkley and Jonas both said they didn't know why we were so terrible in last years preliminary final against the Bulldogs but would do everything to ensure it didn't happen again. (Which doesn't make sense because its hard to fix something without knowing the problem...like looking in the mirror) Trade Sam Hayes. I reckon he's the problem!

 

[PAFC27]

The following article was written by AI with the keywords “2012, tough comp, Ken Hinkley, Port Adelaide, chasing greatness, hater, donuts, membership”…

I imagine this is how Rucci writes all of his articles.

The Port Adelaide Football Club has always had a few haters, but in the past few years, they have been on an upswing. In 2012, Ken Hinkley took over as coach and in his first year he led the team to a minor premiership. He also won the John Cahill Medal for best coach. Hinkley has always had a tough comp and he is often criticised for not achieving greatness with Port Adelaide.

But what people need to realise is that without Ken Hinkley at the helm of this club, Port Adelaide will fall apart and it will be an uphill battle to get back on top again. The club needs him as much as he needs them. So let's support our great Ken Donuts Hinkley and become members of the Port Adelaide Football club!

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[blackholeguns]

And not having Dixon lead to Finlayson and Marshall working together to play Marshall into form. Had Dixon been in all year, the "bomb it long to Charlie" plan stays and Marshall is close to delist or trade right now.

Won’t happen but, now that Marshall is the main man up front and given Dixon’s versatility.. maybe chuck him down back as a lockdown in ‘23.