Opinion Sack Hinkley 8 - "Ask me in August"

[edgie]

Has any other AFL/VFL personality ever received so much adulation for their achievements in the ammos?

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[Steve Dore]

Yes we were ruthless club that lived by the creed


Ebert sacked after fails to win SF in 1987, lost 1984 GF as captain coach.
Cahill sacked at end of 1998 after another 6 SANFL flags and only 2 years in AFL missed finals by % in 1997. Williams forced to resign mid 2010, a premiership coach.

Hinkley....


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Unfortunately the Port Adelaide Football Club has been replaced by the Kenny Hinkley Football Club where mediocrity is celebrated and stability is more important than success.

 

[JimmyBC]

Has any other AFL/VFL personality ever received so much adulation for their achievements in the ammos?

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No.

Port Adelaide Champions of Australia titles & a gazillion SANFL flags = Bush League LOL though

 

[gbear]

I kid you not, the person who Campo spoke to in this way about Hinkley and Port also went on to say in the same convo that he didn't believe the gap between Port's list and the Crows list was that big. Which is why he believed Port significantly overachieved under Hinkley.

Clearly taken too many hits to the head or could just be a brainless moron, thinking the later is more likely.

 

[dirty2]

As a non Port supporter I am fascinated by this thread.

Do people actually still want him gone or is this thread full of sarcasm and satire about Hinkley being fired.

I can't fathom how any Port supporter would want him gone after the truly remarkable and magical season you guys are having.

#sackhinkley #kochout

 

[dirty2]

We need to part ways even if we win a flag. He can go out on a high. 11 years is enough!

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100% agree.

 

[afl2004]

Rucci when hinkley leaves port

 

[longdonkey]

Clearly taken too many hits to the head or could just be a brainless moron, thinking the later is more likely.

You have to remember that his thinking would be a combination of SANFL loathing and detesting us due to being constantly humiliated by us and Victorian thinking that we are irrelevant because all our SANFL flags mean nothing because they are SANFL.

He has the worst of two worlds and probably thinks that Ken Hinkley Football Club is great for SA football, the great man lording over the great unwashed.

 

[tribey]

Campo also tells people privately he thinks that Port's list during Ken's tenure has been very average and that Ken has gotten the absolute most out of the players to the point it could be said he has overachieved.

In other words he has NFI.

I’ve seen this happen in real time from opposition fans as the year has unfolded.

After Round 3: “The fans are deluded and expect too much. Port’s list is overrated and has been for years. Ken’s a miracle worker to win so many games with them. He can’t get blood from a stone!”

After 7-8-9-10-11-12 wins: “Ken finally has a fantastic list and the results speak for themselves! He deserves all the credit for piloting them to another likely top-4 finish!”

 

[Alberton Proud]

Had better rev ups in the under 12's Bunnings

FTFY

 

[johnnysix]

I will never understand the level of respect Ken has received from neutrals.

It's because you don't care as much about a team you don't support. You don't pay as much attention. You don't have the same expectations. You don't appreciate the playing list. You don't tune in for the after match press conferences. To the passive onlooker, we will possibly finish in the top 2 in 3 out of 4 years and we've already reached two prelims. Ask any of those people if they think Port deserved to be in a grand final over the two teams that played off in those years. History is written by the winners. There's a reason why we're not spoken about with as much respect as those other teams. We've also never bottomed out. So to these people, and to a lot of the media, we are a pretty high performer that might snag a flag at some point.... why change?

To us, we have felt the devastation by the prelim losses. We've heard the "i wouldn't do anything differently" comments. We've seen the careers of greats burnt. We've seen a few list turnovers. We know HinkleyBall. We've felt like we under performed in this time. Never bottoming out, but never getting further than a prelim feels like middling. I think a lot of us here also subscribe to the idea that just because you persist doesn't mean there's any guarantee of ultimate success. Just about every great premiership winning coach replaced a coach who was sacked and they too were / will be sacked at some point. Few walk out gracefully.

I'm still hoping this is our year.

 

[finbarr]

After 10 previous years of underachievement, fans are rightly sceptical that Ken is the right person for the job.

There has never been a doubt as to his ability to win games in the home and away season. The vitriol has been due to an inability to win a prelim final - 2 being at home, and one in which the performance was so insipid it could have justified an immediate dismissal.

Since Ken has been the senior coach, 11 clubs have made it to the grand final. Port are not one of them. Virtually every part of the club has been changed/altered in that timeframe except for the man in charge as senior coach.

If he doesn't make it this year with the talent on the current list, it may sound harsh in a vacuum, but taking his entire tenure into account, he should most definitely be moved on. This is a great list and is not going to slide down the ladder with a new coach. If Ken is unable to get it done this year, go out and find someone who can because another finals failure is simply not good enough when you've been there longer than a decade with nothing to show for it.

As it stands right now there's a win for all parties involved. If Port win the premiership Hinkley is given the credit, goes down in history as a premiership coach, goes out gracefully as a "winner", and Port have a seamless handover to Josh Carr.
If however Hinkley digs his heels in for a new contract, the club threatens to go public with the fact he had little to do with anything much, and thus sully his reputation and prospects going forward.

 

[Chewy316]

As it stands right now there's a win for all parties involved. If Port win the premiership Hinkley is given the credit, goes down in history as a premiership coach, goes out gracefully as a "winner", and Port have a seamless handover to Josh Carr.
If however Hinkley digs his heels in for a new contract, the club threatens to go public with the fact he had little to do with anything much, and thus sully his reputation and prospects going forward.

The Club would never sully his reputation because that would be incredibly bad in the eyes of any future prospective coach who would be considering the position going forward.

If Hinkley wins the flag he's getting offered a new deal at Port - I don't see any way in which he wouldn't accept it unless he had enough and wanted a different challenge elsewhere (like the Gold Coast).

Where it gets messy is if Carr gets an offer elsewhere as a senior coach and Port win the flag and Ken wants to stay.

 

[Del165198]

If Hinkley wins the flag he's getting offered a new deal at Port - I don't see any way in which he wouldn't accept it unless he had enough and wanted a different challenge elsewhere (like the Gold Coast).

...and since I had achieved all my goals in the first 11 years, there was no need for a second third fourth fifth term.

 

[finbarr]

The Club would never sully his reputation because that would be incredibly bad in the eyes of any future prospective coach who would be considering the position going forward.

If Hinkley wins the flag he's getting offered a new deal at Port - I don't see any way in which he wouldn't accept it unless he had enough and wanted a different challenge elsewhere (like the Gold Coast).

Where it gets messy is if Carr gets an offer elsewhere as a senior coach and Port win the flag and Ken wants to stay.

Fingers crossed he wants to leave then, because in the flag scenario I don't see Port not losing Carr, leaving a rudderless Hinkley behind to run the club into the ground.

 

[Chewy316]

Fingers crossed he wants to leave then, because in the flag scenario I don't see Port not losing Carr, leaving a rudderless Hinkley behind to run the club into the ground.

I wouldn't be so sure of that.
The teams who may be looking for a new coach are Richmond, Gold Coast and West Coast. The list this year is fairly short and there are a ton of good candidates. I'd be very surprised if Carr was offered any of those three jobs. Also taking his family situation into account, I just don't see him leaving at the end of this year.

 

[finbarr]

I wouldn't be so sure of that.
The teams who may be looking for a new coach are Richmond, Gold Coast and West Coast. The list this year is fairly short and there are a ton of good candidates. I'd be very surprised if Carr was offered any of those three jobs. Also taking his family situation into account, I just don't see him leaving at the end of this year.

It doesn't have to be this year. If Port win the premiership this year Hinkley would be offered nothing less than 3 years. That's a long time to try and fend off suitors trying to get their mitts on the brains behind the operation.
Carr's already been promised the keys once, I'd be very surprised if he believes any further promises made, unless it's written down and signed off on.

 

[tribey]

Ask any of those people if they think Port deserved to be in a grand final over the two teams that played off in those years. History is written by the winners. There's a reason why we're not spoken about with as much respect as those other teams.

This is a fantastic point. It’s why the ‘(13-18) list wasn’t that much chop’ angle is such a cop-out.

Had the arse not fallen out in the back end of 2014, we could well be living in a world where Lobbe, O’Shea, Pittard, and Moore are premiership players, and someone like Hartlett or Broadbent or White is a Norm Smith Medallist.

There are some very very very limited dime-a-dozen squadbody types who have premiership medallions nestled in their sock drawers over the past decade, but WhyAlwaysKen needed an entire eighteen of thoroughbreds in order to get it done (pending).

 

[Kenny_Powers]

So in all seriousness, what happens if say we announce Ken for 3 more years in August, as Caro and Kane are alluding to.....bottom out in another prelim and lose Carr to Richmond? Honestly would there be any media spotlight at the club or any accountability whatsoever? Would Koch fall on his sword?

Or just business as usual "kens the right man for the job down there a port".

My biggest gripe is why on earth would port rush to sign him before August? Whats the point in it? We're winning now so its not effecting performance, there are still questions to be answered re Kens ability to win a flag that wont be known until after finals, as a club we've show extraordinary faith in him to stick fat for 11 unsuccessful seasons!! Why is the media pressure on us to repay the faith and re sign him?

Plus, Koch has said all along in every interview that we wont rush any decisions and will begin discussions in August!

I just cant fathom why the club would put pen to paper now and announce in August.


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[EskimoPAFC]

He's playing Sam Hayes.

We can safely shut down this thread now.

 

[Contested Marx]

I suspect that Ken has been replaced by that alien bug from the first men in black movie hence the hangy skin around his neck

 

[raman]

I suspect that Ken has been replaced by that alien bug from the first men in black movie hence the hangy skin around his neck

That bug knows less about the physics, biology and psychology at work on planet earth than Ken, but is still a better coach.

 

[JUSTWORK]

Rumour that Richmond are heavily into Carr, pretty concerned that this comes out a few days after Footy Classified report Hinkley will be getting an extension. Getting genuinely concerned that Koch will give Hinkley an extension and we will lose the gun assistant who's actually behind our success and we will go back to being mediocre for the next 2-3 years.

 

[Contested Marx]

Footy classified is 70% speculation and 30% BS

or is it the other way around

 

[gbear]

Carr being senior coach of Port would be fitting. No one knows what the board is planning, but this year from round 4 seems like a transition year. Club isn’t going to come out and say it though.