Unofficial Preview Sack Hinkley

[PowerBaz]

I think you will notice the messaging has changed. No longer is it Ken is coaching at top of his game etc. His position is up for review. Its a fair shift. Management or Directors are never going to publicly hang their coach out and say he is s**t and we are going to sack him. There would be many factors at play and club if they are going to part ways, they will likely be doing it as methodically as possible so as not to incur any unnecessary additional cost. I think sacking him now would be great for all of us, but it probably doesn't achieve a great deal in the long run. Maybe we get a spike and best case slip in to finals, but this season is dead. Lets part ways, undertake a rigorous and detailed search with people like Darren Cahill involved and find us a new coach who can lead us in a new and better direction.

I was trying to find the game-day revenue stuff, we obvioulsy we take a hit below 30K attendance, this is bad news for the club when 27k rock up, unlike the Crows who just have a naturally bigger pool of supporters we need success to drive attendances, if not then supporters can drive change in one way or another (this is already happening).

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In March 2015, it was reported that the new agreement now turned over 70 cents in the dollar from Adelaide oval to the AFL clubs.Tthe new deal centres on: incentives the Power and Crows will receive if they draw more than 30,000 to the Oval; and the two clubs having access to more stadium assets to sell for corporate revenue and more reserved seats to sell at premium rates.

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[Grave Danger]

I think (hope) it's more of an announcement will be made at the end of the season, rather than a decision, ie the decision has already been made; Ken is happy to take the money and run; Voss has already had a wink and a nod from another club (hence their smirks after recent losses); and the final hope - the gig will go to Schoey or Monty.


EDIT: Glass half empty theory - Ken and Voss grinning = Voss has been given the gig

 

[Magus]

Yeah, the fact he said we'll make the decision at the end of the season does give me a lot of hope. Normally Koch would say something like "Ken will definately be coaching at Port Adelaide next season", He didn't say that. He said decisions will be made at the end of the season. Also the fact that question was asked is also a good thing.

We need to lose badly this week and have 20k rock up next week to put it beyond any doubt.

It's pretty damn close to saying he has full support of the board.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

I feel like Nick Riewoldt has seen 1 game, and probably was just the 2nd Showdown. What he needs to remember is that the Crows are a steaming pile of turds also, so counts for little.

I'm sure was us win in China over his old club too.


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[Us against the rest]

My gut feel is that we've already done this review and that we have already engaged our next coach.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Why would Freo send a reserves side over for that one?

Beside Freo reserves side = high expectations = Port loss.

Didnt you see us pmay Richmond reserves earlier in the year?

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[Willsy10]

At least it is sounding more and more like kenny is gone if we don't make the finals, which means he only has 4 more matches left as the Port Adelaide Football Club coach unless we miraculously learn how to football.

 

[Enviable Tradition]

Koch heard Ginever midweek with the "sacking coaches half way through the season is a bit scumbag" line. can't remember the word he used but you know the sentiment - good clubs don't find themselves in a position where they need a caretaker for 5 games then go out looking like a blind man for the "best" coach, it shouldn't get anywhere near that point to begin with. Koch forgot everything about running a footy club and just paraphrased as "oh God no - good clubs don't do dat".

The bit Koch forgets is that good clubs wouldn't have jumped and renewed him in the first place.

He has given Ken longer, not shorter than a good club would.

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[Enviable Tradition]

A more liberal reading of Koch’s comments is that his hands are tied to do anything contractually until the season is over, and we officially have not made the finals, at which point we are able to dismiss Ken via a no-finals clause.

I realise anything but immediate termination (or words signalling this) is not sufficient for many here, but if the writing is truly on the wall (I believe it is), does it really matter? Or rather, the club has likely decided that saving several hundreds of thousands of dollars via activating a performance clause is preferential to paying that amount and having a caretaker coach for four games...

This is the only scenario that gives me hope.

Perhaps we need to wait til finals are mathematically impossible to ensure Ken been given the opportunity and has missed his trigger so we can pay him out with a significantly lesser cost.

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[finbarr]

At least it is sounding more and more like kenny is gone if we don't make the finals, which means he only has 4 more matches left as the Port Adelaide Football Club coach unless we miraculously learn how to football.

I still think he’ll be gone even if we manage to fall into eighth. I just simply cannot see him at the club next year.

 

[Iwish]

The narrative from the club certainly has a different tone now. Even kens comments that missing finals is a fail has me thinking he has already agreed to walk out this year if we miss finals with a negotiated payout. It smells like were going to part ways with ken in a buddy buddy no thriils fashion. ken may already have another gig lined up. This is all fine by me hopefully the club is already onto a replacement.

 

[PowerBaz]

My gut feel is that we've already done this review and that we have already engaged our next coach.

You mean the guy you don't see in our coaches box on TV very often?

 

[PowerBaz]

The narrative from the club certainly has a different tone now. Even kens comments that missing finals is a fail has me thinking he has already agreed to walk out this year if we miss finals with a negotiated payout. It smells like were going to part ways with ken in a buddy buddy no thriils fashion. ken may already have another gig lined up. This is all fine by me hopefully the club is already onto a replacement.

Scott and Hinkley are the two older coaches around..... I guess you could throw Lyon in that mix.

 

[Lockhart Road]

Yeah, the fact he said we'll make the decision at the end of the season does give me a lot of hope. Normally Koch would say something like "Ken will definately be coaching at Port Adelaide next season", He didn't say that. He said decisions will be made at the end of the season. Also the fact that question was asked is also a good thing.

We need to lose badly this week and have 20k rock up next week to put it beyond any doubt.

Koch sounded as if ‘end of season’ is now defined as ‘date on which we decide we can’t make finals’.

 

[Contested Marx]

My gut feel is that we've already done this review and that we have already engaged our next coach.

is that why our next coach has receded into the background of late?

 

[Willsy10]

I still think he’ll be gone even if we manage to fall into eighth. I just simply cannot see him at the club next year.

Okay, that is good to know. I've been so torn lately, because i feel so starved of September action that i would still take that opportunity even if it meant we had to put up with Ken for one more year. That maybe is an unpopular opinion at the moment. I want him gone but i want Port Adelaide to win games of footy more than anything.

But what happens if we actually win a final or two?

 

[El_Scorcho]

I agree that his position is completely untenable. The only thing holding him here now is the ridiculous contract. Thanks HEAPS to the media for holding that ridiculous mistake to account as well.

I have this horrible nightmare that we scrape into 8th, in which case I could genuinely see them allowing Hinkley to see out his contract.

 

[HighBudget]

****ing hell Koch! Just making the finals isn’t “succeeding”. This guy along with Ken and Voss have to go if this is their mindset! Koch you contradict yourself because good clubs don’t see ‘just making the 8’ as succeeding

 

[chachi11]

I have this horrible nightmare that we scrape into 8th, in which case I could genuinely see them allowing Hinkley to see out his contract.

I have the same nightmare.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

I agree that his position is completely untenable. The only thing holding him here now is the ridiculous contract. Thanks HEAPS to the media for holding that ridiculous mistake to account as well.

I have this horrible nightmare that we scrape into 8th, in which case I could genuinely see them allowing Hinkley to see out his contract.

We need the Crows to towel up St.Kilda on Saturday night.

 

[afl2004]

Koch brings a lot if his family to games this year , I'm sure he doesn't like being embarrassed around them

 

[Magus]

I don't see us winning our remaining 4 games, which is what it would take for us to play finals. These players will check out soon if they haven't already.

 

[finbarr]

Okay, that is good to know. I've been so torn lately, because i feel so starved of September action that i would still take that opportunity even if it meant we had to put up with Ken for one more year. That maybe is an unpopular opinion at the moment. I want him gone but i want Port Adelaide to win games of footy more than anything.

But what happens if we actually win a final or two?

I don’t want to fall into finals. This club needs a big reset and to position itself for sustained success. This should have happened after 2014. Ken had his chance. Time to go.

 

[WhyAlwaysMe]

I don't see us winning our remaining 4 games, which is what it would take for us to play finals. These players will check out soon if they haven't already.

The way it's looking right now, 10 wins could be enough.

 

[HighBudget]

If we don’t make the finals this year then I have no doubt that Koch will put the blame on our assistants and move on Schofield, Voss, maybe on other assistant and keep Hinkley running with the excuse that Ken just needs better personnel around him