Traded Sam Mitchell [traded to West Coast with picks 54 and 72 for picks 52, 70 and 88]

[The_Todd07]

Why not just keep him on a lower wage and transition him into coaching in 2018 on a better wage
??
If u can fit spud vickory in with JOM and swans mitchell then you could fit Sam in instead of vickory.
Vickory is not going to step up and win you anything ffs

As Sam stated, this is a family decision
He has a bunch of young children about to reach school age. He and his wife thought moving now may be the best for the kids, by starting their schooling in WA rather than moving them after 1 year

 

[TradeDraft]

and People Knocking Collingwood getting Wells. Mitchell is 34 years old

 

[The Falcon Strike]

and People Knocking Collingwood getting Wells. Mitchell is 34 years old

Mitchell > Wells

PLus as far as I'm aware - we haven't committed close to $2m on him

 

[DangerSloane]

Heh you might be right. And I'm not saying they never make mistakes.

They are definitely innovative and decisive, though.

Theyre risk takers.
So far for them its paid off the majority of the time.

Whether it does this time, or going forward...who knows.

 

[smeltitdeltit]

and People Knocking Collingwood getting Wells. Mitchell is 34 years old

Mitchel >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Wells

 

[DangerSloane]

and People Knocking Collingwood getting Wells. Mitchell is 34 years old

Mitchell is also a gun and doesnt miss many games. Mitchell is on a one year deal.

you can splice it how you want but offering wells that money for 3 years is stoopid.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

His employment as coach is dependent on his employment as player. It is a carrot, with high salary (as all coaches get) to entice a player over that other clubs may not be able to afford.

That's about all that's left in this conversation.

Is one employment dependent on the other? Will he not be allowed to play if he doesn't coach, or vice-versa?
He's not shopping himself around to the highest bidder. He wants to move to WA when he retires and he wants to be a coach. He doesn't WANT to leave Hawthorn. He's not chasing big money or a flag.
He's not ready to retire, but an opportunity presented where he can kill three birds with one stone - play, move to WA with his young family and kick start a coaching career. There's no big conspiracy here.

 

[LoungeLizard]

What is the point of your questioning?

How is this different to Judd being a Visy ambassador? It was just a job, right? He was being paid for a job. Nothing to do with football.

He was paid for a job as well as playing football, you know at the same time?
If Mitchell was being paid to coach and play, then you would have an argument.

 

[dean33]

Clarko asks Sam if he wants to move to

Of course we can pay Mitchell. The club is looking after an absolute legend in the brown and gold by helping his transition into coaching go as smoothly as possible.

Spin it any way you like, but everyone involved in this has handled it with nothing but pure class. Just a shame other clubs don't follow suit.

Thanks for the memories Sam. You'll be welcomed back with open arms in a few years when you take over from Clarko.

yes you are doing this purely to help sam...

 

[Jobe Watson]

Indeed, i hear club legends make excellent coaches.
How did Hirdy pan out?

What does that have to do with anything?

 

[blue harvest]

And regardless of whether they pay him out or not?

I was of the understanding that because they made an offer the Hawks couldn't match, they were compelled by the AFL to pay Buddy the full contract and that it would all be counted under the cap.

No, what Buddy gets paid is a matter for him to negotiate with the Swans. He can retire now and agree to forgo all payments if he likes, or receive 500K a year or whatever else they agree to. But all of the original contract must be included in the salary cap.

 

[The Falcon Strike]

Do people really truly think Clarkson would sell or just kick Mitchell out?

For crying out loud look at what they have achieved together, listen to the respect in their voices when they talk about each other.

I know BigFooty is all about measuring schlongs (and for the record I have the largest), but trying to take pot-shots at the club over the way this has been handled is laughable.

ANyone who thinks this is disrespectfuol from any party is deluding themselves

WC approached hawthorn last year purely to talk about coaching, hawks ok'd it.

Hawthorn/clarko approached mitchell as a loyal servant to give him the option

Mitchell with the blessing from family and club made a decision that suits his family.

I'm just hoping from a WC POV we get him for unders on the playing salary with the promise of a fat assistant coaching cheque.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

It's a monetary carrot. The exact thing that the salary cap is designed to prevent.

So is gametime to a player that isn't playing. Ever heard of match payments?

 

[igon value]

He was paid for a job as well as playing football, you know at the same time?
If Mitchell was being paid to coach and play, then you would have an argument.

Why does it matter whether they run concurrently? It's money for a job.

 

[TradeDraft]

Mitchell is also a gun and doesnt miss many games. Mitchell is on a one year deal.

you can splice it how you want but offering wells that money for 3 years is stoopid.

Wells did not miss many games last year and IF we keep Wells Fit he can still be very good for Collingwood

 

[Procrastinator35]

Hawks once again showing the way of how to get things done.

Tom Lamb + pick 51.

Watch & learn Cochrane, you clown.

 

[igon value]

So is gametime to a player that isn't playing. Ever heard of match payments?

I have. They are counted under the cap.

 

[Jobe Watson]

As Sam stated, this is a family decision
He has a bunch of young children about to reach school age. He and his wife thought moving now may be the best for the kids, by starting their schooling in WA rather than moving them after 1 year

Why did he bother signing a contract extension then?

I reckon Mitch had every intention of playing at hawthorn next year before taking up a coaching role the year after until Clarko came and said to him "why don't you move now?... No seriously, move now - please."

 

[LoungeLizard]

Why does it matter whether they run concurrently? It's money for a job.

Are you trying to tell us that players once retired are not allowed to work?

 

[ScrewInStuds]

Ah, the rot has already started to set in. THREE marque players in a single offseason, all taking up a massive chunk of the cap.

Hawthorn will kill their depth with these signings, as they continue to shed players to fit in these monster contracts. Why would players like Breust, Poop, and Gunstan continue to play on sub-par contracts when the three Melbourne Millionaires are earning so much more?

Not to mention the effect that this will have on the famous Hawthorn culture...

As a lover of all things Hawthorn, my only hope is that the AFL will rescue the Hawks from destroying their own club by gifting them with some form of trade restriction that lasts until Sam Mitchell's Swisse payments are no longer part of their cap.

 

[Cripps 'n' Blue Bloods]

What is the point of your questioning?

How is this different to Judd being a Visy ambassador? It was just a job, right? He was being paid for a job. Nothing to do with football.

But it had to pass through the AFL and be signed off on. Same as Buddy's deal. Same as Scully's dad. Same as Sam's will be.
If it's deemed excessive or looks to be circumventing the rules, the AFL will make them include it in the cap.

 

[SedatSir316]

Great move by the Hawks. What they get back is really irrelevant as its all about what this allows them to do with FA's. Not enough teams looking at how to create cap space (ala NBA) in this way.

 

[igon value]

No, what Buddy gets paid is a matter for him to negotiate with the Swans. He can retire now and agree to forgo all payments if he likes, or receive 500K a year or whatever else they agree to. But all of the original contract must be included in the salary cap.

Thanks for clarifying.

 

[MagpieJoel]

Mitchell > Wells

PLus as far as I'm aware - we haven't committed close to $2m on him

Yeah, we haven't offered that much either. But cool story.

It's closer to 1.5m over 3 years, and that third year is only there if he plays sufficient games in year 1 and 2.

 

[SSSSSS]

Well this escalated quickly.

Mitchell deserves a litte extra retirement fund rather than playing another year unders. Secures a job for him post footy too