Player Watch Sam Murray - (Delisted 2019)

[PepperFace]

Looks like he’s guilty at least on BF, I think I will wait for all the facts first.

Thats so Un-Australian. Dont you know its guilty until proven innocent?

 

[Smoky]

Career over

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

Peter Gordon on ABC Melbourne, just made an interesting comment.
He said that:
"If there is insufficient evidence (that he took it within 24 hours of the game) then he wouldn't have a problem, but if the evidence goes the other way then potentially he is facing 2-4 years which is unfortunate."
Murray's legal team will obviously try to establish this 'line'....so to speak.

So try to establish a case that he didn't use it on game day?

 

[Hyakutake]

Well this is not looking good.

Hoping for the best but not confident. Shit on a stick.

 

[TW Sherrin]

cornes is a world champion flog but he isn't far off the mark by saying there is an issue at the club.

3 positives in 4 years. what other club has had that?

 

[MyManLynch]

Thats so Un-Australian. Dont you know its guilty until proven innocent?

& even if you are proven innocent...you are still guilty.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Why would you want a player who would do that so close to game day or even on it?

Both would result in poor performance.

If it was a day or 2 before the crashing and fatigue would be very high, not exactly conducive to performing at an elite level in pro sport is it?

If he did it game day then fair dinkum...by the last quarter he would be shot to shit.

Just thinking through potential mitigating factors, not making any value judgements or pretending to be an expert in performance as related to illicit drugs. Except to point out they are banned on game day because the are considered to be performance enhancing....not the opposite as you are implying.

If a positive test to illicit drugs is not on game day then its an anonymous first strike. If its on game day then its a WADA ban. If theres a minute lingering residual amount on game day then surely theres an element of doubt as to which way this needs to be ruled upon.

 

[EddiesBigBucks]

Stupidity.

He knows what he's done and will regret it, doesn't need to the whole world telling it to him.

And Cornes is a flog. That is all.

 

[ArielZ]

cornes is a world champion flog but he isn't far off the mark by saying there is an issue at the club.

3 positives in 4 years. what other club has had that?

I think Essendon had like 35 in a season once? Correct me if I’m wrong

 

[Dead Eye Didak]

I can just see how this pans out. Admits to coke, says he has anxiety and such drug was to help him deal with the anxiety that comes with playing in front of 90k against Richmond, gets a year. Club rookie lists him for a year, ineligible to play in 2019.

I think Cornes is completely and intentionally making this out like it was deliberate performance enhancement. It's more likely to have been something ala the above or lingering from the night prior.

Cornes is just pissed because we smashed his old team by 10 goals and ended their finals dream.

 

[Mr Mojo Risin]

I feel for Sam. I have zero faith in ASADA and WADA in terms of their capability to accurately investigate things without external pressures affecting outcomes.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

cornes is a world champion flog but he isn't far off the mark by saying there is an issue at the club.

3 positives in 4 years. what other club has had that?

Illicit positive drug tests are anonymous if not involving PEDs or game day. So we dont know how many positive results other teams have had for illicit drugs.

 

[MyManLynch]

I think Essendon had like 35 in a season once? Correct me if I’m wrong

Wow...what a coincidence!

 

[AmericanMustard]

cornes is a world champion flog but he isn't far off the mark by saying there is an issue at the club.

3 positives in 4 years. what other club has had that?

3 reported***

I'd comfortably say 17 other clubs have drug issues

 

[loki04]

Just thinking through potential mitigating factors, not making any value judgements or pretending to be an expert in performance as related to illicit drugs. Except to point out they are banned on game day because the are considered to be performance enhancing....not the opposite as you are implying.

If a positive test to illicit drugs is not on game day then its an anonymous first strike (although hes lost the right to anonymity in this case). If its on game day then its a WADA ban. If theres a minute lingering residual amount on game day then surely theres an element of doubt as to which way this needs to be ruled upon.

They aren't performance enhancing on the way down. Anyone can do the research for themselves on coming "down".

From what I have been told he may initially get a rise in performance on game day but it wouldn't last an entire game unless he is topping up at half time.

Now wouldn't that be a story pies traded in the lollies for lines at half time breaks, no wonder we don't want Goddard imagine him dusting off a table cause he's spat the dummy!

 

[AmericanMustard]

I feel for Sam. I have zero faith in ASADA and WADA in terms of their capability to accurately investigate things without external pressures affecting outcomes.

I don't. He can go get a normal job like the rest of us. Hopefully for his sake he doesn't get caught on drugs because it will be an automatic sacking in the real world. Unlike the AFL industry that feels obligated to stand by them.

 

[Pragmatic Shill]

So can someone answer my query, or at least attempt to?

Can the club have points taken away based on this?

 

[MagpieJoel]

3 positives in 4 years. what other club has had that?

Would have been 2 in 1 year and none since if we hadn't recruited him.

 

[Saintly Viewed]

Great shame.
We await results.

But let’s not be delusional.

ALL 18 clubs will have individuals partaking in various vices some legal sone illegal.

Does anyone seriously believe illicit drugs aren’t taken ? It’s a multi billion dollar industry suggesting millions of users.

Great shame but reality.

 

[Anzacday]

cornes is a world champion flog but he isn't far off the mark by saying there is an issue at the club.

3 positives in 4 years. what other club has had that?

We aren't any different to other clubs, our players are just dumber.

 

[MagpieJoel]

So can someone answer my query, or at least attempt to?

Can the club have points taken away based on this?

We lost the game when he recorded the positive, so I doubt it.

 

[MyManLynch]

I don't. He can go get a normal job like the rest of us. Hopefully for his sake he doesn't get caught on drugs because it will be an automatic sacking in the real world. Unlike the AFL industry that feels obligated to stand by them.

Do you actually like American Mustard?

 

[sideswipe]

Peter Gordon on ABC Melbourne, just made an interesting comment.
He said that:
"If there is insufficient evidence (that he took it within 24 hours of the game) then he wouldn't have a problem, but if the evidence goes the other way then potentially he is facing 2-4 years which is unfortunate."
Murray's legal team will obviously try to establish this 'line'....so to speak.

Peter Gordon should stick to ambulance chasing. The categories are "in competition" and "out of competition". Presuming the sample was taken after the game, he is in the former. There is no question of ASADA needing to provide any further "sufficient evidence" other than the positive test. Automatic 4 years. It is strict liability.

Murray's defence team might try to mount an argument along the lines that Gordon is suggesting, but they would be the ones who would need to provide evidence to back up their assertion, rather than ASADA needing to provide further evidence to support the charge.

 

[El cane]

Given the b sample is taken at the same time as the a sample that sounds like BS to me

If the sample was taken after the Richmond game and he disappeared that before the b sample could be taken that could be construed as admission of guilt and immediate suspension. He played the next 2 games didn’t he against Sydney and Brisbane.

 

[Unknown Identity]

Cocaine typically stays in your system for 2-4 days for testing purposes.
If he's a chronic user it could be up to 12-14 days.

Not all that fussed about coke to be honest, as long as it isn't taken just priop to playing.

AFL is rampant with coke use.

Doesn't mean he isn't an idiot for putting his career in jeopardy, only players like Dusty/Buddy and Dane Swan can get away with abusing coke. They aren't expendable at club level or from a marketing point of view for the AFL.