Sam Newman- people have had enough of this shameless racist.

[_Mike_]

Hey folks, just a friendly reminder that this thread is about Sam Newman. All discussion on the upcoming referendum - please continue ON THE SRP BOARD

 

[South of the Yarra]

Well, the history of the English, Saxons and Vikings are quite interesting and amazingly terrible things happened over a much longer period of time but that part is really beside the point.

Prominent injustices have happened to the indigenous population of Australia very much in our lifetimes and can't really be confined to the annals of history. Complaining about a Welcome to Country is dumb as *.

There are Stolen Generation children who are only 50. It still burns deep.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Why are they even doing a welcome to country? Pretty sure 99.9% of the crowd already live in Australia.

You may live in Australia but that does not mean you are welcome.

Do you understand the difference?

Only one group of people get to decide who is welcome on this land and who is not.

Soon, hopefully, this will even be enshrined in the constitution.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

You may live in Australia but that does not mean you are welcome.

Do you understand the difference?

Only one group of people get to decide who is welcome on this land and who is not.

Soon, hopefully, this will even be enshrined in the constitution.

Nah mate, everyone is welcome. We just got to sit through a ceremony and then a national anthem. Same as everyone else.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Nah mate, everyone is welcome.

Is everyone welcome to decide who is or is not welcome to this country?

No, only one group are afforded that privilege, and they earned it, by being descended from a particular group.

That's how it works in Australia today and if the upcoming vote goes well, it will be enshrined in the constitution forever more:

Every group is equal but one group is more equal than others, and therefore they have special rights which the rest do not.

 

[South of the Yarra]

You may live in Australia but that does not mean you are welcome.

Do you understand the difference?

Only one group of people get to decide who is welcome on this land and who is not.

Soon, hopefully, this will even be enshrined in the constitution.

Another who has no understanding of what a Welcome to Country actually is.

 

[South of the Yarra]

Is everyone welcome to decide who is or is not welcome to this country?

No, only one group are afforded that privilege, and they earned it, by being descended from a particular group.

That's how it works in Australia today and if the upcoming vote goes well, it will be enshrined in the constitution forever more:

Every group is equal but one group is more equal than others, and therefore they have special rights which the rest do not.

Special rights such as disadvantage in health, education, health literacy, inter generational trauma, dispossession, stolen children and life expectancy. Is that the special rights you mean?

It is not a welcome to ‘this country’. It has nothing to do with welcoming someone to Australia.

 

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

I think we need a set of agreed terms or we’re just talking past each other. And if talking past each other is your thing, have at it.
But in the interests of people telling me I’m wrong…
A nation-state: an agreed territory accepted by other nation-states under the Westphalian notion etc. e.g Australia, China.
A nation: a group of people who share a common bond or relationship. E.g The Romans, the Kulin people. Can be used as a shorthand for nation-state, leading to ‘how can there be First Nations people when there was no nation before Australia’ type questions.
A Country, another term for a nation state and without the indefinite article, country, a place of significance for a people, nation. Leading to the confusion of how can I be welcome to the country of Australia during a welcome to (guditjamara/wurunjeri/etc) country.
Tl;dr words means different things in different contexts and I think we all know this.

 

[terrybull]

Well, the history of the English, Saxons and Vikings are quite interesting and amazingly terrible things happened over a much longer period of time but that part is really beside the point.

Prominent injustices have happened to the indigenous population of Australia very much in our lifetimes and can't really be confined to the annals of history. Complaining about a Welcome to Country is dumb as *.

I read somewhere the concept of soccer was a result of this.

When the Vikings were finally forced out from England, there were two English kids kicking a skull they dug up.

A man asked what are they playing? And their reply was kicking a Dane’s head.

So soccer orginal name is Kicking a Dane’s head… don’t think it grow as big as it today if they kept that name for a number of years.

Like the name Victorian Rules hampered the growth of Australian Rules in Australia, which name hampered it going Internationally.

Sorry for the little interruption on this thread, boo me freely if you like.

 

[Algorithmic Hot Takes]

Sorry for the little interruption on this thread, boo me freely if you like.

Boo! splitter! Hiss. Bloody judean people’s front.

 

[mouncey2franklin]

Another who has no understanding of what a Welcome to Country actually is.

"The 1973 Aquarius Festival held in Nimbin, New South Wales, by the Australian Union of Students (AUS) has been documented as Australia's first publicly observed Welcome to Country"

"The second recorded Welcome to Country occurred in 1976, when entertainers Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley developed a ceremony to welcome a group of Māori artists who were participating in the Perth International Arts Festival."

Welcome to Country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it is a hippy-inspired ceremony pioneered by successful entertainers a few decades ago.

Yes?

 

[Kappa]

I'm a big fan of cultural representation in many spheres... I love going to Ireland and seeing the street signs in Irish... I love going to Wales and hearing the locals speak Welsh, especially in the North... I love the Kiwi haka and the war dances of Samoa, Fiji and Tonga...

There are many many other examples and to me, The Welcome to Country sits alongside those displays of cultural representation and I'm all for it. The more we know about ourselves, our heritage and the heritage of others, the more we can all coexist.

That being said, I can see if some people see some of this as unnecessary or tokenistic, even though I would wholeheartedly disagree with them.

But if you're to come out and say such things should be booed and jeered and then if you were to say I 100% agree with that person then that just makes you a vile piece of s**t.

I think all those examples are deeply rooted in history, not quite a comparison to a welcome to country which was invented in 1980

 

[Gough]

"The 1973 Aquarius Festival held in Nimbin, New South Wales, by the Australian Union of Students (AUS) has been documented as Australia's first publicly observed Welcome to Country"

"The second recorded Welcome to Country occurred in 1976, when entertainers Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley developed a ceremony to welcome a group of Māori artists who were participating in the Perth International Arts Festival."

Welcome to Country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it is a hippy-inspired ceremony pioneered by successful entertainers a few decades ago.

Yes?

That still makes it older than our national anthem and everyone stands obediently for that.

 

[South of the Yarra]

"The 1973 Aquarius Festival held in Nimbin, New South Wales, by the Australian Union of Students (AUS) has been documented as Australia's first publicly observed Welcome to Country"

"The second recorded Welcome to Country occurred in 1976, when entertainers Ernie Dingo and Richard Walley developed a ceremony to welcome a group of Māori artists who were participating in the Perth International Arts Festival."

Welcome to Country - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

So it is a hippy-inspired ceremony pioneered by successful entertainers a few decades ago.

Yes?

No. Yet again such an ignorant understanding of Aboriginal culture. Welcome to country ceremonies are thousands of years old and steeped in tradition. It’s nice you found the first ‘publicly performed’ Welcome ti Country. Like many you only seen to count history from the Kate 1700s onwards

 

[South of the Yarra]

I think all those examples are deeply rooted in history, not quite a comparison to a welcome to country which was invented in 1980

A Welcome to Country is thousands of years old. Don’t be one of them.

 

[3KZ is Football]

Even if you don't like the Welcome to Country, just sit silently and at least be respectful for those who do. It's not hurting anyone, it doesn't take long and it's done. I don't particularly like the national anthem but I just quietly wait through it and it's done. The right wing nut jobs are the first to call others "snowflakes" yet they're all up in arms over this? Grow up. One day Sam will trend for the right reason.

This post absolutely nails it. When you unpack what it is about the Welcome to Country that people take exception to, you find yourself confronted, after you have waded through all of the “well we should all be equal” type platitudes, by hatred, racism and rage. Sam Newman is expressing and tapping into the extremist world view that there are powerful people who are compelling their version of “us” to do things that “we” don’t like, against our wills. It is the same right wing extremist world view that saw people protesting during COVID against masks, vaccines, quarantine and other public safety measures. Newman’s comments sit comfortably within a cesspool of “thought” that bubbles away and brews up The Great Replacement, Q-Anon, Anti-Semitism, Climate Change Denial, false claims about Election Fraud and on and on it goes.

At the heart of his comments lies the proposition that in our pluralist democracy, we should loudly object to and denigrate individuals in our community who have been invited to an event to perform a cultural practice that is dear to them. Rather than sitting quietly and respectfully watching someone from a different culture celebrate their customs for a couple of minutes, Newman wants to promote the idea that we somehow lose or are made victims by this public display of cultural diversity. By encouraging people to howl their disapproval during these ceremonies, Newman goes a step further, encouraging people to use anger and negativity to harm others, by repressing their right to cultural practice.

Newman is as transparent as he is pitiful.

 

[revo333]

Uncle and Auntie are just terms for an Indigenous elder.

Yes I know and I bet when Dan Andrews isn't playing politics he calls him Michael Long.

 

[nobbyiscool]

7 pages of completely unnecessary chatter about a narcissist.

It's exactly what it wants. He only does it now in a desperate cry for relevance.

If we stopped discussing him he'd literally go away and we'd never hear from him again.

 

[BF Tiger]

Sam’s just an outrage machine. What a shit way to live your life.

Anyone can choose to not be bothered about something as harmless as WTC. Treat it like you would a radio or television commercial.

 

[Papa G]

You know that's called the false consensus effect? It can come from a desire to increase self esteem.

"Everybody thinks like this but I'm brave enough to say it!"

Narrator: Relatively few people thought like that.

You know when the Voice No vote gets up 2 to 1, you might want to come back to this post and have a little self reflection.

 

[Gavin Excell]

This post absolutely nails it. When you unpack what it is about the Welcome to Country that people take exception to, you find yourself confronted, after you have waded through all of the “well we should all be equal” type platitudes, by hatred, racism and rage. Sam Newman is expressing and tapping into the extremist world view that there are powerful people who are compelling their version of “us” to do things that “we” don’t like, against our wills. It is the same right wing extremist world view that saw people protesting during COVID against masks, vaccines, quarantine and other public safety measures. Newman’s comments sit comfortably within a cesspool of “thought” that bubbles away and brews up The Great Replacement, Q-Anon, Anti-Semitism, Climate Change Denial, false claims about Election Fraud and on and on it goes.

At the heart of his comments lies the proposition that in our pluralist democracy, we should loudly object to and denigrate individuals in our community who have been invited to an event to perform a cultural practice that is dear to them. Rather than sitting quietly and respectfully watching someone from a different culture celebrate their customs for a couple of minutes, Newman wants to promote the idea that we somehow lose or are made victims by this public display of cultural diversity. By encouraging people to howl their disapproval during these ceremonies, Newman goes a step further, encouraging people to use anger and negativity to harm others, by repressing their right to cultural practice.

Newman is as transparent as he is pitiful.

Newman is a Trump supporting, election fraud conspiracy theory believer. Embarrassed for him as he continues down the Q-Anon abyss

 

[Shadow89]

The irony of people in this thread prefacing 'I'm not racist or ignorant, you're just divisive and woke'...and then calmly sitting there explaining Indigenous terms and the day to day lives of Indigenous people...to Indigenous people.

If that's not institutional racism, ignorance or privilege, then I don't know what is.

Welcome to Country is only 50 years old...hooo weee that's a darn tootin' rip-snorter of an example. Almost as ignorant as 'enshrining an Indigenous voice in the Constitution will mean that our country will be divided.'

Dumpster fire of a thread, as expected.

 

[Shadow89]

You know when the Voice No vote gets up 2 to 1, you might want to come back to this post and have a little self reflection.

Oh darling, we don't need a 'no' vote to know that this country is one of the most racist on earth.

All it took is some on-brand Murdoch dog whistling, supported and driven by a real-life Voldemort, to confuse the 'simple' Australians into believing that the Indigenous people will divide our country and politics, by having a say in matters that concern Indigenous people.

'Those scary Indigenous people are coming for my rights...lock your doors and protect the women and children...oh but I'm not racist.'

 

[Crumpet_avenger]

Love ya Sammy

 

[NaturalDisaster]

Love ya Sammy

Are you going to boo the National anthem?

 

[Julio Dulio]

The referendum depending on how it goes, could signal to the rest of the world, that this is one of most racist countries in existence. Shameful.

lol haven’t travelled?


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