Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[thumbs_up]

I’m hearing a wood chipper might have been used to dispose of the body

Is this from a verified news source or are you experiencing auditory hallucinations?

 

[chickenonachain]

Is this from a verified news source or are you experiencing auditory hallucinations?

From someone who knows the pos

 

[sandeano]

I’m hearing a wood chipper might have been used to dispose of the body

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

Is this from a verified news source or are you experiencing auditory hallucinations?

Seems weird the police would publicly state their main focus now is to find Samantha's body if there was any semblance of truth to this rumour.

I call bs.

 

[ElliottsMaggies]

There are countless mineshafts in the area searched for signs of Samantha Murphy. This is what it's like inside them

Raymond Shaw says he has spent the past five-and-a-half weeks uncovering and exploring disused mine shafts in a determined effort to find anything that helps locate the Ballarat mum.

www.abc.net.au

Victoria Police previously said its crews would continue to search for Ms Murphy, whose body has not yet been found, and any evidence that could assist in the case.

Victoria Police would not confirm whether or not mine shafts formed part of the search for Ms Murphy.

It said it would not be commenting on the ongoing search or other details as the matter was before the courts.

 

[thumbs_up]

From someone who knows the pos

Sounds like he's told everyone but the police

 

[Anja_Nees]

Sounds like he's told everyone but the police

I do wonder if he got caught doing some Greg Lynn style muttering to himself as well. Why not at this stage.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

My bet is the coppers have phone metadata evidence that matches him to SM. Seems on the balance of probabilities they may have him on trail cameras entering & leaving the area on the Sunday morning. If it were the case he was snapped on camera entering, leaving and then returning again with his vehicle the same day that would be a difficult one for PS to explain away.

Surely they would have more evidence than phone data and maybe a car on camera.
They’ve charged him with murder. They would have something much more solid.

 

[Footy_Fan2007]

This won't even make it to trial imo.

Why do you say that?

I’m hearing a wood chipper might have been used to dispose of the body

Where on earth is this information coming from? It seems some people are literally making stuff up for the hell of it.
God knows why.

 

[Awakening]

When you take into account the rumours and the image he presents on social media you would think that he would fall into the disorganised category. People have mentioned panic, accident etc. In my option POS falls into the organised category. Samantha may have been a random victim but my money is on this whole thing being premeditated. And I am certain he’s had a rehearsal. Yes, at first I had Mick in the cross hairs. Sorry to say, as lovely as the husband is a lot of the time they are the perp.

I’ve been wondering about organised and disorganised and he seems a mix to me at the moment.

 

[Munich]

Why do you say that?


Where on earth is this information coming from? It seems some people are literally making stuff up for the hell of it.
God knows why.

Because I believe the evidence is overwhelming and there'll be no choice than to plead guilty.

 

[Kreuuuzeurns]

Surely they would have more evidence than phone data and maybe a car on camera.
They’ve charged him with murder. They would have something much more solid.

I think he has confessed or let it slip to someone who has notified police.

That along with phone data and cctv would be enough for an arrest.

 

[Lepube]

I’m hearing a wood chipper might have been used to dispose of the body

Absolutely no way.

1) who's wood chipper?
2) How did he get access to one. A friend?
3) Were they aware of what he was using it for?
4) Impossible to clean that amount of blood up

There's just no way that happened.

 

[31550]

Because I believe the evidence is overwhelming and there'll be no choice than to plead guilty.

You've seen the evidence?

 

[Anja_Nees]

Where on earth is this information coming from? It seems some people are literally making stuff up for the hell of it.
God knows why.

Extremely likely someone has just lifted it from Fargo.

 

[Munich]

You've seen the evidence?

Not this again I'm not engaging so don't bother.

 

[CD Xbow]

I’m hearing a wood chipper might have been used to dispose of the body

He must of been a member of the Sharon Graham fan club! Quite a few blokes were, much to their detriment.

 

[31550]

Luckily for some people the Piranha brothers are not around any more, or they would be getting their heads nailed to the wall.

 

[Kurve]

Unsworn statements have been outlawed in every state for decades, the last one I'm aware of was in the Nolfork Island murder, where McNeil made such a statement, as possibly due to a loophole they had forgotten to outlaw them in the external territories.

I don't think they're outlawed entirely but for a handful of states, if there are exceptions.

 

[JRY]

This won't even make it to trial imo.

Because I believe the evidence is overwhelming and there'll be no choice than to plead guilty.

Wouldn't a plea only occur if there was a trial?

 

[31550]

I don't think they're outlawed entirely but for a handful of states, if there are exceptions.

Abolished in WA, SA, NT and QLD I believe, but pretty much redundant as I said earlier, judges and juries paid little regard to unsworn statements. Folks wanted to get rid of them because accused persons were using them as a bit of a soapbox and making outrageous statements.

 

[31550]

Wouldn't a plea only occur if there was a trial?

A plea will be asked for at the committal hearing.
And even if a guilty plea is entered, it still goes to trial even if only a formality.
So I don't understand the 'won't make it to trial' comment either, unless someone is suggesting some sort of "summary justice" - wouldn't surprise me given that they find the evidence 'overwhelming' despite not seeing it.

 

[brutus76]

Wouldn't be the first person chucked down a mineshaft in the Ballarat area. I lived in a country town just outside Ballarat until the 90s.

They are everywhere in the bush and forest areas. People would use them as dumping grounds for old fridges, furniture, washing machines etc

Getting the phone and data records to try to accurately track his location and whereabouts hour by hour and day by day along with any traffic or CCTV footage or witness reports to assist takes time.

But he also could be after a plea deal to give body location

 

[JRY]

A plea will be asked for at the committal hearing.
And even if a guilty plea is entered, it still goes to trial even if only a formality.
So I don't understand the 'won't make it to trial' comment either, unless someone is suggesting some sort of "summary justice" - wouldn't surprise me given that they find the evidence 'overwhelming' despite not seeing it.

That's what I was thinking. Regardless of it being such a rogue and ambiguous case, it doesn't mean the legal processes are likely to change.

 

[Kurve]

A plea will be asked for at the committal hearing.
And even if a guilty plea is entered, it still goes to trial even if only a formality.
So I don't understand the 'won't make it to trial' comment either, unless someone is suggesting some sort of "summary justice" - wouldn't surprise me given that they find the evidence 'overwhelming' despite not seeing it.

If a deal is made prior, the matter doesn't need to be heard at a full trial on the question of guilt.