Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[FrankGrimes]

Unless he disposed of the phone first then took the body elsewhere. But, if he was on his way back from where he put her, then remembered he had to get rid of the phone…

I thought about that, she went early was missing since sat 9am-11am, dont think he would be carrying a body around for that long? the last ping was 5pm, seems like you could toss the phone from the car into the dam.

 

[Flash of power]

It says the phone is understood to be hers. They don't say it is hers.

News bulletin I just heard said it had been identified as hers

 

[Terrafirma]

Reading between the lines below they got what they wanted..! That's major IMO..

Quoted : The discoveries were made during a targeted police search on Wednesday that saw divers, metal detectors sniffer dogs and excavators employed.

During the search police officers appeared to celebrate, exchanging hugs and handshakes after seemingly making a breakthrough.

Police officers were later seen photographing and bagging a phone near the edge of a dam, south of Ballarat.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

News bulletin I just heard said it had been identified as hers

Keep hearing "sources have confirmed", but not yet the Cops, for the moment I'll keep my powder dry....

 

[Awakening]

Let's assume SM's murder occurred at around 8 to 9am in the morning. Alleged perp hides body, comes back later on to retrieve SM. Takes her away, hears a message sound from SM's device on her. while driving along Buninyong - Mt Mercer road. Pulls over, gets out the car and chucks it in the first dam they notice on the way out after retrieving SM's body. That would explain the phone going dark around 5 oclcok and the location is consistent with the Mt Buninyong tower. Now its 5pm, dayliight in early Feb until around 8. It appears the suspect was heading south. Let's assume allleged per wants time to dig a grave so allow an hour for that. I reckon SM must be somewhere within 1 hours drive of the phone going dark at 5pm assuming the location was the dam where her phone was tossed.


Enfield State Park seems a good possibility. Also Clarendon plantation. It may be about tracing movements of the suspect to nail where the burial site is. Obviously more information is needed to narrow down the search otherwise it's a fruitless exercise just as it was with the missing campers until they got the location off Greg Lynn.

Not saying he didn’t bury her but often killers just dump the body. Maybe throw some branches over the top. Often use an existing dip in the bush or roll a body down a bush incline.

 

[Awakening]

He’s gone from Mt Clear to the dam which is past the turn off to where he was staying at 30 Yepon 2 Rd. Unless he went from Mt Clear then home then to dump the stuff in the dam and possibly other things in the river at the end of Slaughterhouse Rd?

We don’t know where he was staying that Sunday night do we?

 

[Awakening]

I thought about that, she went early was missing since sat 9am-11am, dont think he would be carrying a body around for that long? the last ping was 5pm, seems like you could toss the phone from the car into the dam.

If he threw the phone from the car would the cards have stayed inside the wallet thingie?

 

[FrankGrimes]

If he threw the phone from the car would the cards have stayed inside the wallet thingie?

Yeah I think they would, could be a magnet type case that closes over and has slots for the cards like a wallet.

 

[DeliveryProblems]

To my mind: incident happens on the road towards Mt Clear, even if a camera picks him up in the area there is a plausible reason he's in Mt Clear, his family. But he panics and wants to get back to Scotsburn, so he heads onto main road, turns off at Moss Ave, left into Bunny-Sebas Road, right towards Scotchman's Lead which would take him past the site I refer to, assuming the body, phone, watch are all onboard he spots a likely place on his way back to where he was staying, using the back roads.
Later that day after calming down he embarks on his 'covering the tracks scenario'. Revisits the site and dumps the items, accidently drops what we found. Heads off to another place he knows to dispose of the body, imo further down stream.
Just my uneducated opinion.

I think you have been all over it from very early on. He obviously stopped at the old reserve you have alluded to before circling back home and discarding items along the way. You would think with his electronics background he would understand submerging a phone/watch in water would be better than flinging into bushes...

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Going on my theory that the body is in the Yarrawee; the last ping only relates to where the phone 'died', so it may have been in the dam all day?!? We know the Coppers are not investigating an accident gone awry, but a murder, one that may well have been premeditated and thereby may have also had all the 'next' bits worked out in advance; where to dispose the body, phones, watches etc, and the timing of them, when the roads are quiet etc.
Or it's a spur of the moment attack where by everything else that follows is by the seat of his pants, throwing the body in the back of his vehicle, maybe he had some tarp to wrap her in, and he just drove in a panic, doing things as he thought of them. Fifteen minutes after Mt Clear he'd be on the road to Mt Mercer he might have thought of the phone then pulled over at the very obvious dam and thrown it in.
Assuming he had some local knowledge went down to the Yarrawee, threw the watch into a deep section, went further in and tied, weighted Sam's body and placed her into a bend of the river. Headed back onto the road and at the bridge turned left and went back to Scotsburn around the southern side of the mountain.
Just my thoughts, I'm leaning towards the second unplanned opportunist attack........

Refined my theory a bit from the earlier one although it does suggest I've been maybe 'on the right track'...

 

[Dogs_R_Us]

Yeah I think they would, could be a magnet type case that closes over and has slots for the cards like a wallet.

I have one of those

 

[thumbs_up]

He's looking less of a criminal mastermind all of a sudden.

 

[Catch]

If he threw the phone from the car would the cards have stayed inside the wallet thingie?

Exactly. I think it was placed in there and not thrown from a vehicle

 

[Flash of power]

Keep hearing "sources have confirmed", but not yet the Cops, for the moment I'll keep my powder dry....

Husband has identified it as hers, that is pretty good confirmation, I am not in vic though, so wondering if the Vic media aren't reporting the same.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

Associate of mine has also confirmed everything was Sam's, this bloke is one of Mick's oldest mates.....

As to the "throwing it from a car", no-one suggests that POS drove past and turfed it out the window, more like he pulled over, got out and tossed it over the fence/blackberries into the dam..

 

[Kurve]

As to the "throwing it from a car", no-one suggests that POS drove past and turfed it out the window, more like he pulled over, got out and tossed it over the fence/blackberries into the dam..

I kind of did but in my defence, at the time I didn't know about the fence and the blackberries ...

 

[annawinter608]

Unless he disposed of the phone first then took the body elsewhere. But, if he was on his way back from where he put her, then remembered he had to get rid of the phone…

Yep. Fingers crossed that driving around with a body seemed a more pressing problem to him than driving around with a phone.


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[31550]

He's looking less of a criminal mastermind all of a sudden.

I don't think anyone thought he was a criminal mastermind.
But I don't think this find necessarily strengthens the police case. They have not connected POS with the phone or the dam yet, and unless they can do so, it can be contended that someone else might be involved.

 

[FrankGrimes]

I don't think anyone thought he was a criminal mastermind.
But I don't think this find necessarily strengthens the police case. They have not connected POS with the phone or the dam yet, and unless they can do so, it can be contended that someone else might be involved.

It can only strengthen their case, may not help but what if they can track where the phone has been and it aligns with where the accused as been?

 

[thumbs_up]

I don't think anyone thought he was a criminal mastermind.
But I don't think this find necessarily strengthens the police case. They have not connected POS with the phone or the dam yet, and unless they can do so, it can be contended that someone else might be involved.

Yes - they were high fiving each other out of disappointment.

 

[thanksbasil]

Exactly. I think it was placed in there and not thrown from a vehicle

If he threw the phone from the car would the cards have stayed inside the wallet thingie?

You ever tried to get a card out of those things? I don't think the cards still being inside is a good indicator as to whether or not the phone was thrown or placed.

 

[reddog92]

He’s gone from Mt Clear to the dam which is past the turn off to where he was staying at 30 Yepon 2 Rd. Unless he went from Mt Clear then home then to dump the stuff in the dam and possibly other things in the river at the end of Slaughterhouse Rd?

I was driving the along the mt Macedon - buninyong road last Thursday whilst getting my 2 kids to sleep, I drive around a lot and since Sam disappeared I always look around seeing if there would be any suspicious spot where she might be.. I seen slaughterhouse road and thought about Sam, (this happens every time I see a dirt road though) but still eerie knowing the phone was tossed close by..


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[Eaglette01]

I was driving the along the mt Macedon - buninyong road last Thursday whilst getting my 2 kids to sleep, I drive around a lot and since Sam disappeared I always look around seeing if there would be any suspicious spot where she might be.. I seen slaughterhouse road and thought about Sam, (this happens every time I see a dirt road though) but still eerie knowing the phone was tossed close by..


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Someone start a petition to council - to get THAT road name changed PRONTO !!

BTW the lab dog was imported from another State (clearly he is the dogs=Crufts winner of Mr Sniffer dog the best in Australia)

 

[Underarrest_]

You ever tried to get a card out of those things? I don't think the cards still being inside is a good indicator as to whether or not the phone was thrown or placed.

I’ve spent many times at the counter holding the line up to get a card out of those things.
Haven’t tried throwing my wallet though. Might give it a go next time I can’t get one out.

 

[DirtyLeeds]

You were a little bit lost if you were on Mt Macedon-Buningyong Road........inserter alarm!!!