Samantha Murphy Ballarat * Patrick Orren Stephenson Charged With Murder

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The Murder of Rebecca Young - Ballarat

The Murder of Hannah McGuire - Ballarat * Lachie Young

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Lachie Young

Age

25

Ht

189cm

Wt

81kg

Pos.

Def

Career

Season

Last 5

D

10.5

3star

K

6.4

3star

HB

4.1

3star

M

3.3

3star

T

1.8

4star

MG

220.3

3star

D

9.0

2star

K

5.5

2star

HB

3.5

2star

M

1.0

1star

T

2.0

3star

MG

210.0

3star

D

11.2

3star

K

6.2

3star

HB

5.0

4star

M

3.8

4star

T

1.8

4star

MG

219.6

4star

charged



Allegedly

 

[31550]

I would still suggest that she is somewhere in the Yarrawee downstream. Plenty of crossings...

Would it be feasible / practical to deploy cadaver dogs along the banks of the Yarrawee? How many km of river bank are we looking at? It's not that deep, right? I belive the dogs can detect human remains up to a few metres under water.

 

[jason_recliner]

No need to 'walk' the phone to the dam, a young fit bloke could sling them from his elevated big ute by the side of the road, plenty of time to pull over to the wrong side of the road on that stretch, farmers do it all the time, wouldn't look out of place at all. People, this is the 'bush' being out of your car on the side of the road is not unusual.
I really know this area, we've got a property we manage along it, barely 1K down the road. There is no need to wander through someone's property, that's why he chose it (assuming they are Sam's), all over in seconds, obscure enough and 'off the beaten track'.
But the real question was this done on the way to or from disposing of Sam's body? I would still suggest that she is somewhere in the Yarrawee downstream. Plenty of crossings...

I think it's more likely he went to the dam. Too risky a throw misses or doesn't land it in far enough.

 

[jason_recliner]

Would Samantha carry all her cards if she's going for a run? The phone folder case is bulky. I'd just take the phone out of the cover and slip it into my pocket.

Doesn't make much difference when you're running. It's not the phone that causes the pain and suffering!

 

[MrsBlueSky]

Phone was buried in mud or similar, without the dogs they don’t find it

Looked like it was sitting on top of the mud to me when the local newspaper and a camera crew with a drone were all ready to snap a shot as soon as the discovery was made.

 

[Underarrest_]

Looked like it was sitting on top of the mud to me when the local newspaper and a camera crew with a drone were all ready to snap a shot as soon as the discovery was made.

I don’t think they allow the media to take footage of their whole search. Imagine the footage they’d have, if they’d found SM’s body.

 

[thumbs_up]

Is there any known connection between POS and the people who own this property?

 

[mrskafoops]

Is there any known connection between POS and the people who own this property?

Does anyone know the address?

 

[croweater 41]

Meant to throw it into the dam from the side of the road and it fell short. Then drove on with the body.

Hopefully the police are finally on the right track

The dam would have been full where it appears they have found the phone 5 months ago would have been covered in water.

With no rain for the past 5 months the dam has dried and the phone is now out of the water but buried in the mud as it sank.

Literally no need to overthink this.

 

[Catch]

Where have you seen/heard that this particular property has been searched on numerous occasions? First time the coppers have been seen on this road, it's always been off to the side into the reserve/golf course ,or miles away in Canadian or Enfield.

It was on the news last night

I questioned this as well as I wouldn't personally run with a phone. Mick stated that Samantha always took her phone with her, so when he rang her and it went straight to message bank he immediately knew something was wrong.

There are plenty of questions arising from this discovery.

• Why throw the phone at all? If he is on the way to disposing of the body, why risk a stop and not just dispose of the phone with the body? If he is on the way back, and presumably just 'discovered' he still had the phone, why choose that location when he could easily destroy and hide the phone (e.g. in a dumpster) back in town?
• Where is SM's smart watch? Seems the dogs and diver did not find it in the dam.
• What about the 5pm Buninyong last phone ping? How did this happen if the phone was in the dam at 5pm? Or was it 5pm when the phone was tossed into the dam?
• Did SM really take the phone / wallet with her on the run? Or just her watch?
• Have police done a tower dump from Buninyong tower to locate all devices within pinging distance (entering / leaving) of the dam location on the morning/afternoon SM disappeared? Is POS the owner of one of these devices? What about his close contacts? As dirtyleeds points out, this is not a popular location - there would not be too many people passing through.

Agree, and we don't know for sure if SM actually had her phone on her when she went running ? Why would you go to the trouble to pick that place to dump her phone and know about the dams ? The police have had to move foliage to get through to the dam. Plenty of easier, places to dispose of her phone, and why not dump it with her body ? We don't know about her watch. I find it interesting that cards were still left in the phone wallet and not disposed of ?

 

[jason_recliner]

I always run with my phone because I listen to music or watch videos. Can also purchase items, call if tired/injured, take a break and receive calls/surf the net. It's very common.

 

[Jimmybob]

“On Thursday, a police spokesman said missing persons detectives’ search of the Buninyong location had concluded – they will not be searching there again on Thursday.”

 

[Run n Spread]

To put a downer on things does the phone really matter aside from maybe SM been in the vicinity perhaps.
Otherwise just gives a general direction.
Any texts calls monitoring would have already been given by the carrier.
Even now the body could've been moved multiple times so it will be hard to pinpoint movement exactly on the Sunday.
Police really up.against it.
Listened once to an ex forensics cop about how a crime scene is investigated than police will collect physical evidence determine times trace movements than look for any suspects who's movement matches establish motive search history etc
First 48 hours is absolutely critical. Evidence degrades memories fade etc and the more time goes the harder it is to establish a chain of evidence

 

[jason_recliner]

To put a downer on things does the phone really matter aside from maybe SM been in the vicinity perhaps.
Otherwise just gives a general direction.
Any texts calls monitoring would have already been given by the carrier.
Even now the body could've been moved multiple times so it will be hard to pinpoint movement exactly on the Sunday.
Police really up.against it.
Listened once to an ex forensics cop about how a crime scene is investigated than police will collect physical evidence determine times trace movements than look for any suspects who's movement matches establish motive search history etc
First 48 hours is absolutely critical. Evidence degrades memories fade etc and the more time goes the harder it is to establish a chain of evidence

Maybe it indicates the general direction PoS took when disposing of Samantha and her items. Hard to know how important it is or isn't.

 

[Munich]

Westpac bank cards are red/white. There's a branch in Ballarat too

Lol. Yes Ballarat has all the bank branches.

How small do you think it is?

 

[Munich]

Going off topic here, but is the reason labs are so highly trainable due to that love of food?

A few different things; they were genetically bred to locate game so this ups their genetic detection capabilities, they have a desire to hunt and retrieve objects, they have a very high work ethic, highly intelligent and desire to learn, they work very well with humans and their handler in particular and always eager to please.

 

[Munich]

You could get a lab to do anything with food but have to watch their diet as they can easily get overweight.
A common training is clicker training using positive reinforcement.

Not all of them are so food driven, we have had a couple that weren't.

The overwhelming majority though are gutses, yes.

 

[Zidane98]

Maybe it indicates the general direction PoS took when disposing of Samantha and her items. Hard to know how important it is or isn't.

Yep. I don't reckon any alleged perp would have gone too far on the actual day of the killing. The key will be tracking where any alleged perp was found to have been in the days after the disappearance of SM.

 

[Zing13]

Lol. Yes Ballarat has all the bank branches.

How small do you think it is?

Lol not that small I have visited! Just a thought

 

[Awakening]

Confirmed: phone is Samantha’s.

 

[Awakening]

I will probably get howled down for this but I reckon they’ve previously found her watch.

Remember the under investigation episode with a strategically placed Apple Watch (the same colour as Samantha’s) on the map?

I reckon that was cops baiting their suspect aka Greg Lynn style with the Hotham camera footage.

Would be interesting to compare time between UI episodes and arrests in both these cases.

I’m pretty sure POS was under surveillance at time of the UI episode?

 

[leon123]

Westpac bank cards are red/white. There's a branch in Ballarat too

we also have electricity and public transport

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Maybe it indicates the general direction PoS took when disposing of Samantha and her items. Hard to know how important it is or isn't.

Coppers would be working on did he get rid of the body and then the phone.
Or phone first body 2nd

 

[Percel]

we also have electricity and public transport

Do they have potato scallops?

 

[Munich]

Do they have potato scallops?

No way, potato cakes only.

 

[leon123]

Do they have potato scallops?

Buninyong region famous for their potatoes...... no seafood this way only potato cakes