Don't think that will happen.
Cripps, Bont, Neale should all pass him within 2 years, Nick might pass them all if given there is pretty much no one taking votes of him for the next 5 or so years
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Cripps, Bont, Neale should all pass him within 2 years, Nick might pass them all if given there is pretty much no one taking votes of him for the next 5 or so years
Very fair point.
Only note being that Judd, Fyfe, Voss and Swan are a level below re goal kicking.
The others were 1 goal per game players.
Fyfe only had 1 year where has kicked 20 and has an avg of .74 goals.
Judd at WCE fit the bill, at Carlton he wasn't a goal kicker.
But yes if wanting a goal kicking mid - GAJ, Danger, Dusty, Bucks and Bont are top drawer. Goodes also was a goal kicker (if include him as a mid).
Neale's accolades match or surpass Bontempelli, Pendlebury, Dangerfield and Selwood.
Yet I'm not sure how many people would have him above those players.
It could be that we're underrating him. He has 4 of those monster 90+ coaches votes season and one that wasn't that far off. Although they have been in the period where vote inflation for the top stars has been notable.
Didn't play with as many out and out midfield superstars as some of the other players we're talking about, I guess? Lots of good soldiers around him (Ashcroft is breaking free of that already).
The 4x AAs is a little low - of course he could still add to it.
Not as eye catching as those players - some were more destructive and heavier in scoreboard impact, some had more finesse and probably raw ability.
But the accolades don't lie and he has put together an incredible 6 year block. But I agree, on instinct I don't have his career quite at that level.
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Another player who is probably underrated is Boomer Harvey.
Dangerfield
337 games, 7908 disp, 335 Goals, 213 bounces
Pendlebury
403 games, 10301 disp, 201 Goals, 204 bounces
Boomer Harvey
432 games, 9203 disp, 518 goals,
1055 bounces.
Dangerfield got a name for himself for bursting from stoppage but nobody took em on like Boomer.
Dangerfield
337 games, 7908 disp, 335 Goals, 213 bounces
Pendlebury
403 games, 10301 disp, 201 Goals, 204 bounces
Boomer Harvey
432 games, 9203 disp, 518 goals,
1055 bounces.
Dangerfield got a name for himself for bursting from stoppage but nobody took em on like Boomer.
Boomer is definitely underrated.
He was a great forward but also had a time as a superstar midfielder, then in his later years a hybrid of both roles.
2007-2014 he had 5 years where he cracked 50 coaches votes, 2 of them 75+.
0.8 goal assists a game through a 400+ game career is pretty crazy (this assumes his pre 2003 assist numbers were similar; with those great NM teams the averages may have been even higher).
Probably played more good seasons of senior AFL than any other play.
Booma not a big bodied powerful player, so people aren't convinced he can take over a game.
I'd actually say the same for Neale.
Not a huge man, no eye catching attributes (ball pig stuff, but not the flashy moves or finishing power) or stunning foot skills.
Boomer at least had a bit of both of those. Was just small in stature.
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Was still playing every season till 23 when he broke his leg.
If you include all the night series games and pre-season, international games and state footy it’s 480+
He’d only be behind Bradley at 520 games whos out there on his own.
If you include all the night series games and pre-season, international games and state footy it’s 480+
He’d only be behind Bradley at 520 games whos out there on his own.
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Ave as many goals as GAJ a game and over 1000 bounces compared to 404.
It’s a bit flashy
*amended.
Incorrectly typed GAS
My third sentence covered that (kindly bolded for you now) - Boomer was flashy and had electric skills. Unlike Neale - but he shared the smaller body type. My post was actually selling Boomer as far as those other attributes.
I think you misread my post.
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I worded it a bit stupidly to be fair. Neither Neale or Boomer had a huge frame typical of some superstar mids, but both proved excellence in specific areas (Boomer with electric skills/agility/dynamism, Neale with the in and under ball pig stuff).I did.
Sam Mitchell is another name that belongs in these discussions but probably gets underrated outside of Hawthorn supporters.
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Lachie Neale #63
Boomer #47 (16 teams)
Mitchell #36 after being overlooked in the 2000 draft.
It is so unusual to make it to the level, you have had to have been lucky with injury as a junior, been in a successful team, had quality coaches who believed and gave you time and supported you and had a recruiter or scout who could talk about you for two minutes without saying the word “…but”.
Less than 1% of high school kids become professional athletes, less than 3% of all senior Aussie Rules players play in the AFL.
I think the last 25 years have produced the higher levels of player.
Pretty fortunate to get to watch em.
al right ive had enough of you stat whores......please shove all those stats where they fit becasue....
There is Bias towards full time midfielders, also there is bias towards stat accumulators.
Used to be if you got 38 possesions you were a virtual BOG shoe in.
Now the games a little bit more educated, what a player can do at the right times is as importnant as getting 10 possesions.
Case in point Taranto, gets plenty of it does not much with it.
The game has moved on, its not 2005 anymore.
Damaging players are the most valuable, they change a game.
Pendles is damaging and uses the ball well and gets plenty of it.
Danger is below Pendles IMO.
Danger is a bit of a hack with the footy.
Where Pendlas looks for the right option and delivers.
Think G Williams--who should get mentioned more than he does.
There is Bias towards full time midfielders, also there is bias towards stat accumulators.
Used to be if you got 38 possesions you were a virtual BOG shoe in.
Now the games a little bit more educated, what a player can do at the right times is as importnant as getting 10 possesions.
Case in point Taranto, gets plenty of it does not much with it.
The game has moved on, its not 2005 anymore.
Damaging players are the most valuable, they change a game.
Pendles is damaging and uses the ball well and gets plenty of it.
Danger is below Pendles IMO.
Danger is a bit of a hack with the footy.
Where Pendlas looks for the right option and delivers.
Think G Williams--who should get mentioned more than he does.
Dangerfield sprays some but plenty of his disposals have been on point.
335 goals and 242 goal assists. Primarily bursting from stoppages.
6.9 score involvements a game as a pure midfielder over 330+ games!
You don't get numbers like that if a good amount of your disposals aren't damaging. But because his missed kicks are memorable a few people seem to brush aside the good ones.
Taranto is about to turn 27 and has goals and goal assists numbers in the 70s. 5.2 score involvements a game and he played forward a fair bit at GWS.
