Scott Watters and Scott Cummings wtf?

[Spuddigger]

What would Watters do with his hands if he didn,t have that bloody biro.

 

[PieLebo87]

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Guys like Selwood have perfected the art of drawing a free kick on the back of amateur tacklers. Doesn’t make him any less of a champion footballer.

 

[bzparkes]

Has had more than 10 kicks in a game twice in his career & has had more than 5 marks 3 times in his career.

Strong argument for does nothing outside of ruck contests/clearances, can't take a mark, can't kick and has the endurance of a hamster which means West Coast have to always play a 2nd ruck.

We've nearly always played 2 rucks for the last 20 years. Your argument is flawed.

 

[Red Black and Blue]

Shuey is intentionally underrated, people don’t view him in good faith because of his ducking at the start of his career. Matthew Lloyd gets the same treatment.

 

[Turboman1994]

Has had more than 10 kicks in a game twice in his career & has had more than 5 marks 3 times in his career.

Strong argument for does nothing outside of ruck contests/clearances, can't take a mark, can't kick and has the endurance of a hamster which means West Coast have to always play a 2nd ruck.

Had our best clearance differential for quite sometime on Saturday. With Nic we regularly dominate stoppages he attends that’s invaluable

 

[Farang83150]

everyone in wa thinks all their players are underrated.

Anywhere, anytime, as long as it's at "The G"....

 

[Upgrayedd]

Name those critics, I can't find one.

David Schwartz said Jack Watts was a better pick then Nsitanui even after his AA season. Nsitanui gets smashed unfairly even to this day

And Leigh Matthews just roasted him as well.

 

[Farang83150]

Not setting sights high enough. I suggest writing to the United Nations.

Any local PTA has more clout than those fairies!

 

[Yippy Yi Yeo]

Has had more than 10 kicks in a game twice in his career & has had more than 5 marks 3 times in his career.

Strong argument for does nothing outside of ruck contests/clearances, can't take a mark, can't kick and has the endurance of a hamster which means West Coast have to always play a 2nd ruck.

Those are completely arbitrary, and useless measures to grade Naitanui on, and really are nothing more than middle school levels of analysis. He isn't paid to provide link up in between the arcs by taking uncontested marks. He averages more contested marks per game than Grundy over his career with less game time, so don't worry about the unimportant uncontested marks. He has the best tapwork in the league, bar none, offering the highest win % of taps, highest conversion to taps to advantage and his taps to advantage are just of higher quality than anyone elses. Over their careers he's averaged more goals than Grundy or Gawn. Yes he plays less game time than other elite rucks, which is more predominant now than in years gone by due to his recent injuries, but he will build that as time goes on. Not to mention the fact he is a burst player and not an endurance player like the others, I'd back him in to attend a do or die clearance and get the ball forward or do something clutch before any other ruckman, he's often been the difference between winning or losing games.

It's really apparent that you haven't been exposed to him much or you wouldn't come out with such a stupid, off the mark assessment of his output. He has one of the highest clearance differentials in the game when he attends a stoppage vs when he doesn't, the man is elite.

 

[00Stinger]

I'm am extraordinary critic of Nic Nat. Doesn't he cost his club like 200k a game?

If you add up every players salary and divide it by the number of games played he cost the most

In that case he is costing about $45k a disposal

 

[Carringbush2010]

David Schwartz said Jack Watts was a better pick then Nsitanui even after his AA season. Nsitanui gets smashed unfairly even to this day

And Leigh Matthews just roasted him as well.

Saying Jack Watts was a better pick is hardly a criticism, saying he's a s*** player - that would be a criticism.

Matthews? What observing he's not covering the ground - yet? That's a criticism?

 

[Carringbush2010]

I think everyone's getting confused of what they think my view of a criticism is.

For mine, Saying other players are better picks or not covering the ground well - yet, are observations not criticisms.

Has anyone heard any commentator say NN will never make it because he's just simply not good enough or he looks disinterested and is not invested? Even then they more observations than criticisms.

 

[Falchoon]

Those are completely arbitrary, and useless measures to grade Naitanui on, and really are nothing more than middle school levels of analysis. He isn't paid to provide link up in between the arcs by taking uncontested marks. He averages more contested marks per game than Grundy over his career with less game time, so don't worry about the unimportant uncontested marks.

junior school level of analysis, Grundy is able to outrun an opponent, thus creating an uncontested situation.

stupid, off the mark assessment of his output

stop the frothing, it wasn't an 'assessment', it was a response to the question 'are there any grounds for criticism?'

 

[Max zero]

Those are completely arbitrary, and useless measures to grade Naitanui on, and really are nothing more than middle school levels of analysis. He isn't paid to provide link up in between the arcs by taking uncontested marks. He averages more contested marks per game than Grundy over his career with less game time, so don't worry about the unimportant uncontested marks. He has the best tapwork in the league, bar none, offering the highest win % of taps, highest conversion to taps to advantage and his taps to advantage are just of higher quality than anyone elses. Over their careers he's averaged more goals than Grundy or Gawn. Yes he plays less game time than other elite rucks, which is more predominant now than in years gone by due to his recent injuries, but he will build that as time goes on. Not to mention the fact he is a burst player and not an endurance player like the others, I'd back him in to attend a do or die clearance and get the ball forward or do something clutch before any other ruckman, he's often been the difference between winning or losing games.

It's really apparent that you haven't been exposed to him much or you wouldn't come out with such a stupid, off the mark assessment of his output. He has one of the highest clearance differentials in the game when he attends a stoppage vs when he doesn't, the man is elite.

He is especially valuable in the current game with 6-6-6 and clearances being so valuable.

This goes double for WC where we have a very efficient forward but can sometimes be starved due to a lack of supply.

Basically he is up there with Kennedy and McGovern as our most important players.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Leigh Matthews is a idiot, havent trusted a word he has said for 5 years.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

I'll quote from these two clowns from footy WA

Scott Watters:

"Luke Schuey has been under rated"

Pffft really? Anyone who under rates that bloke is a fool, there is no one that disputes Luke's ability. Not disputable.

Scott Cummings:

"Nic Nat has had his critics"

Show me one critic of Nic Nat Scott.

This is not up for debate Scott's, you're both wrong and those players should rightly be pi55ed at you two w******.

Seriously poor form and not helping the west teams.

Gary Lyon. Because he is an A grade flog.

 

[HurleyHepsHird]

Absolutely underrated in my books.

Even after winning a Norm Smith, rarely gets a mention when they talk about the best mids in the game - I can’t understand why either.

Proximity.

One of the few genuinely clutch players who can be relied upon to drag his team over the line.

 

[windyhill]

Lyon hates all ruckmen not just NN.

 

[Corkintheocean]

In that case he is costing about $45k a disposal

Melbourne players currently on track to cost $2,490,000 per win in 2019.

 

[Mick F]

I blame the vicco media bias.

Why would you GAF what Victorian supporters of other clubs think about a WC player, because the Vic media under reports interstate teams.

 

[Mick F]

Guys like Selwood have perfected the art of drawing a free kick on the back of amateur tacklers. Doesn’t make him any less of a champion footballer.

Keep a big hanky close by

 

[Damon_3388]

Mate, I like your posting a lot, but you're off the mark here. NicNat has been criticised from pillar to post over the years, by those who focus on what traditional rucks do and can't see what he brings to the team.

Nic Nat actually does and always has done more of what a traditional ruck should do, more than any other ruckman in the league. If you're going to pick an issue, it'd be the number of games he's missed (not something really within his control) and the significantly reduced time on ground he has compared to other rucks (which is about preserving him and also maximising his impact).

If you were to extrapolate Nic Nat's career numbers out to 85% gametime (he averages low 70s for his career), people will see he's actually a long way ahead of his peers, even statistically. Simply watching him and how the Eagles' midfield operates with him there should be enough, though.

The real issue is people (often media) are too lazy to properly analyse, and don't understand that the ruckman's role isn't or shouldn't be judged by kick or mark totals.

 

[Benny78]

Shuey is intentionally underrated, people don’t view him in good faith because of his ducking at the start of his career. Matthew Lloyd gets the same treatment.

Shuey aint a hair on Matthew Lloyds arse