Season 2022

[TeeS]

Vets final this weekend

Never thought I’d hear myself ever say these words but “Carna Brookers”

 

[Saint]

No leadership from anybody. Self interest rules across the board. At club, league and "regional commission" level. Where was AFL Vic in terms of the decades-long highest population growth area in the state. Instead there was the whole MPNFL mess, the "SEFNL", the Outer East debacle.

- Berwick, Beaconsfield, Cranbourne, Narre, Officer, Pakenham, Doveton should've been put in the SFNL years ago. They're metro and it's the obvious place for them all to be together, playing against each other as local rivals. Sorry about netball, but deal with it. That era is over. You're not country towns travelling to play each other of a Saturday. You're suburban footy clubs.

- Development plans, funding and assistance should've been put in place for senior pathways to the SFNL at some of Berwick North, Berwick Springs (tick), Cardinia, Clyde, Fountain Gate, Narre North and Narre South junior football clubs to realise themselves as senior clubs and give locals the opportunity to continue their footy locally through to senior level at a suitable level (SFNL would probably be five divisions under this model)

If they'd all gone across there would have been enough new clubs with netball teams to run a league. Instead, by trying to join 1 by 1, they're joining and then having leagues disband one by one.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If they'd all gone across there would have been enough new clubs with netball teams to run a league. Instead, by trying to join 1 by 1, they're joining and then having leagues disband one by one.

It's happened one by one cos there was just no planning from anybody... clubs will of course do what is best for them when they can and when they want, which is fair enough... but where's the overall strategy? Surely there's a body (AFL Vic) who should be looking after the best interests of the sport and its future overall?

That lack of strategy or leadership led to the Outer East... which has simply been a debacle.

 

[Saint]

It's happened one by one cos there was just no planning from anybody... clubs will of course do what is best for them when they can and when they want, which is fair enough... but where's the overall strategy? Surely there's a body (AFL Vic) who should be looking after the best interests of the sport and its future overall?

That lack of strategy or leadership led to the Outer East... which has simply been a debacle

It just seems that when Netball is a sticking point for the clubs, it's something AFL Vic either ignore or put in the too-hard basket. When they could possibly work with Netball Vic to sort it out.

 

[Noodles Magee]

It just seems that when Netball is a sticking point for the clubs, it's something AFL Vic either ignore or put in the too-hard basket. When they could possibly work with Netball Vic to sort it out.

Netball should not now or In Future be a factor. If those wanting to play netball in a traditional country Sat format then go to a country club. It’s not the Valley clubs problem to pick up the pieces for suburban participants to get their own way. Narre Warren/Pakenham/Officer are metropolitan suburbs not towns. Using netball as an excuse is a cop out, there simply was not a problem with the YMDFL before city hall started glory hunting.
Interesting conversation around the drip tray on Sat evening: since the great expansion took place can anyone name one thing that has improved? Can anyone name one thing that the commission do well? The website is a joke, the communication to clubs is all but non existent and they are definitely not consulted on decisions apart from Mickey Mouse surveys which no one ever sees the results of. As it stands clubs are stampeding for the door to go anywhere and they are rolling out a bottom of the pile division 4 Southern team to replace them. What exactly do those in power do well or have done to improve things?
The level of anger within the competition is palpable and IMO and the many I speak to around the league ready to boil over.

Returning to the subject of netball, the existing clubs in AFLOE need to stop paying for the ineptitude of the commission. Get rid of Berwick and Beaconsfield netball. The clubs chose to go, get rid of all of them. The fact that the top 2 divisions currently have an odd number of football teams resulting in a bye is ludicrous and all down to the people calling the shots.
If the EFL had any brains they’d be approaching every single club from the old Valley comp and rolling out the welcome mat.
If the OE were a business answering to actual shareholders how could any of them possibly keep the gig? The outcomes resulting directly from their decisions and actions have all but decimated original traditional clubs and blown up what was a really good community comp. It’s staggering that they continue to posture for the current league structure with a straight face.

 

[gelder01]

No leadership from anybody. Self interest rules across the board. At club, league and "regional commission" level. Where was AFL Vic in terms of the decades-long highest population growth area in the state. Instead there was the whole MPNFL mess, the "SEFNL", the Outer East debacle.

- Berwick, Beaconsfield, Cranbourne, Narre, Officer, Pakenham, Doveton should've been put in the SFNL years ago. They're metro and it's the obvious place for them all to be together, playing against each other as local rivals. Sorry about netball, but deal with it. That era is over. You're not country towns travelling to play each other of a Saturday. You're suburban footy clubs.

- Development plans, funding and assistance should've been put in place for senior pathways to the SFNL at some of Berwick North, Berwick Springs (tick), Cardinia, Clyde, Fountain Gate, Narre North and Narre South junior football clubs to realise themselves as senior clubs and give locals the opportunity to continue their footy locally through to senior level at a suitable level (SFNL would probably be five divisions under this model)

Would you say that Frankston is a country town Bunk?

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Would you say that Frankston is a country town Bunk?

Nah. Metro these days.

 

[Thunder1]

Netball should not now or In Future be a factor. If those wanting to play netball in a traditional country Sat format then go to a country club. It’s not the Valley clubs problem to pick up the pieces for suburban participants to get their own way. Narre Warren/Pakenham/Officer are metropolitan suburbs not towns. Using netball as an excuse is a cop out, there simply was not a problem with the YMDFL before city hall and their puppet started glory hunting.
Interesting conversation around the drip tray on Sat evening: since Sharon Mailey took over and the great expansion took place can anyone name one thing that has improved? Can anyone name one thing that the commission and Sharon do well? The website is a joke, the communication to clubs is all but non existent and they are definitely not consulted on decisions apart from Mickey Mouse surveys which no one ever sees the results of. As it stands clubs are stampeding for the door to go anywhere and Sharon and co are rolling out a bottom of the pile division 4 Southern team to replace them. What exactly do these pelicans do well or have done to improve things?
The level of anger within the competition is palpable and IMO and the many I speak to around the league ready to boil over.

Returning to the subject of netball, the existing clubs in AFLOE need to stop paying for the ineptitude of the commission and it’s puppet Sharon. Get rid of Berwick and Beaconsfield netball. The clubs chose to go, get rid of all of them. The fact that the top 2 divisions currently have an odd number of football teams resulting in a bye is ludicrous and all down to the muppet show calling the shots and Sharon doing their bidding for them.
If the EFL had any brains they’d be approaching every single club from the old Valley comp and rolling out the welcome mat.
If the OE were a business answering to actual shareholders how could Sharon Mailey or her minders possibly keep the gig? The outcomes resulting directly from their decisions and actions have all but decimated original traditional clubs and blown up what was a really good community comp. It’s staggering that they continue to posture for the current league structure with a straight face.

Noodles Magee well said

 

[gelder01]

Nah. Metro these days.

So all those clubs along the beach from Aspendale to Frankston are also in Metro, Bunk?
How is MPNFL still considered a Country League?

 

[MortlockWatcher]

I'd love to see the clubs south of Mornington revive the Nepean league and separate from the MPNFL structure.

I think ideally the clubs from Mornington and northwards should be joined by Cranbourne, Beaconsfield, Pakenham, Officer and any other former SEFL team that wants to in a new iteration of the Mornington Peninsula FL.

I think this would solve more issues all round that new ones created. The biggest opponents to the four above-mentioned clubs being in the structure were the southern teams who were worried about the travel to and from Sorrento, Rye, etc. and, probably equally, a power club coming in and being better than them.

From memory, the northern MPNFL clubs were OK with potential new member clubs when the issue cropped up around the time these clubs were shoehorned into the YVMDFL.

 

[Brendan j donovan]

Netball should not now or In Future be a factor. If those wanting to play netball in a traditional country Sat format then go to a country club. It’s not the Valley clubs problem to pick up the pieces for suburban participants to get their own way. Narre Warren/Pakenham/Officer are metropolitan suburbs not towns. Using netball as an excuse is a cop out, there simply was not a problem with the YMDFL before city hall and their puppet started glory hunting.
Interesting conversation around the drip tray on Sat evening: since Sharon Mailey took over and the great expansion took place can anyone name one thing that has improved? Can anyone name one thing that the commission and Sharon do well? The website is a joke, the communication to clubs is all but non existent and they are definitely not consulted on decisions apart from Mickey Mouse surveys which no one ever sees the results of. As it stands clubs are stampeding for the door to go anywhere and Sharon and co are rolling out a bottom of the pile division 4 Southern team to replace them. What exactly do these pelicans do well or have done to improve things?
The level of anger within the competition is palpable and IMO and the many I speak to around the league ready to boil over.

Returning to the subject of netball, the existing clubs in AFLOE need to stop paying for the ineptitude of the commission and it’s puppet Sharon. Get rid of Berwick and Beaconsfield netball. The clubs chose to go, get rid of all of them. The fact that the top 2 divisions currently have an odd number of football teams resulting in a bye is ludicrous and all down to the muppet show calling the shots and Sharon doing their bidding for them.
If the EFL had any brains they’d be approaching every single club from the old Valley comp and rolling out the welcome mat.
If the OE were a business answering to actual shareholders how could Sharon Mailey or her minders possibly keep the gig? The outcomes resulting directly from their decisions and actions have all but decimated original traditional clubs and blown up what was a really good community comp. It’s staggering that they continue to posture for the current league structure with a straight face.

Netball should not now or In Future be a factor. If those wanting to play netball in a traditional country Sat format then go to a country club. It’s not the Valley clubs problem to pick up the pieces for suburban participants to get their own way. Narre Warren/Pakenham/Officer are metropolitan suburbs not towns. Using netball as an excuse is a cop out, there simply was not a problem with the YMDFL before city hall and their puppet started glory hunting.
Interesting conversation around the drip tray on Sat evening: since Sharon Mailey took over and the great expansion took place can anyone name one thing that has improved? Can anyone name one thing that the commission and Sharon do well? The website is a joke, the communication to clubs is all but non existent and they are definitely not consulted on decisions apart from Mickey Mouse surveys which no one ever sees the results of. As it stands clubs are stampeding for the door to go anywhere and Sharon and co are rolling out a bottom of the pile division 4 Southern team to replace them. What exactly do these pelicans do well or have done to improve things?
The level of anger within the competition is palpable and IMO and the many I speak to around the league ready to boil over.

Returning to the subject of netball, the existing clubs in AFLOE need to stop paying for the ineptitude of the commission and it’s puppet Sharon. Get rid of Berwick and Beaconsfield netball. The clubs chose to go, get rid of all of them. The fact that the top 2 divisions currently have an odd number of football teams resulting in a bye is ludicrous and all down to the muppet show calling the shots and Sharon doing their bidding for them.
If the EFL had any brains they’d be approaching every single club from the old Valley comp and rolling out the welcome mat.
If the OE were a business answering to actual shareholders how could Sharon Mailey or her minders possibly keep the gig? The outcomes resulting directly from their decisions and actions have all but decimated original traditional clubs and blown up what was a really good community comp. It’s staggering that they continue to posture for the current league structure with a straight face.

Jeez if your going to assassinate someone’s character at least put your real
Name up. We all have opinions on the sport we love but we can do better, ultimately we are dozens of clubs,coaches, administrators and players driven by self interest, administration will make decisions that work and don’t work. I think sometimes we forget that, it’s hardly a perfect science

 

[Bunk Moreland]

So all those clubs along the beach from Aspendale to Frankston are also in Metro, Bunk?
How is MPNFL still considered a Country League?

Just another example of a similar stupid issue.

And as MortlockWatcher summed up, it’s bloody stupid as their divisional system isnt even what the actual country clubs want. They only want to play each other.

I’ve said it before… all of the clubs south of Frankston… actually on the Peninsula… should form a proper MPFL. The suburban clubs north of Frankston should be in the Southern league along with all the SEFNL clubs. That’s what should’ve happened long ago. Proper competition for all.

Again, proper leadership would’ve fixed it all long ago.

 

[Noodles Magee]

Jeez if your going to assassinate someone’s character at least put your real
Name up. We all have opinions on the sport we love but we can do better, ultimately we are dozens of clubs,coaches, administrators and players driven by self interest, administration will make decisions that work and don’t work. I think sometimes we forget that, it’s hardly a perfect science

So which have worked?
And what has improved?
And where is the accountability?

 

[gelder01]

Pretty spot on Mortlock.

 

[Brendan j donovan]

So which have worked?
And what has improved?
And where is the accountability?

Club finances
Standard of football and netball
Hasn’t the voting of clubs changed under the metro system

 

[Noodles Magee]

Club finances
Standard of football and netball
Hasn’t the voting of clubs changed under the metro system

Got any facts to support club finances and how the powers that be have anything to do with them?
Standard of football has dropped, just look at the talent drain since the end of 2018, outside of Narre I’m fairly certain any of the current top five would get would beat Wandin’s flag side of 18.
Clubs have no voting rights.

 

[Brendan j donovan]

Got any facts to support club finances and how the powers that be have anything to do with them?
Standard of football has dropped, just look at the talent drain

Got any facts to support club finances and how the powers that be have anything to do with them?
Standard of football has dropped, just look at the talent drain since the end of 2018, outside of Narre I’m fairly certain any of the current top five would get would beat Wandin’s flag side of 18.
Clubs have no voting rights.

since the end of 2018, outside of Narre I’m fairly certain any of the current top five would get would beat Wandin’s flag side of 18.
Clubs have no voting rights

 

[Brendan j donovan]

So under the current salary cap Wandins 2018 team would put about 14 players on the ground

 

[Noodles Magee]

So under the current salary cap Wandins 2018 team would put about 14 players on the ground

You are purely assuming that, just as I would be as I’m not privy to Wandin’s finances then or now just like you aren’t or weren’t. You also didn’t disagree with the statement. So which is it then? How has the football gotten better? Caps have gone down all over the state, not just out here, so that talent drain isn’t just all walking out the door to get bulk coin elsewhere.

 

[Brendan j donovan]

You are purely assuming that, just as I would be as I’m not privy to Wandin’s finances then or now just like you aren’t or weren’t. You also didn’t disagree with the statement. So which is it then? How has the football gotten better? Caps have gone down all over the state, not just out here, so that talent drain isn’t just all walking out the door to get bulk coin elsewhere.

The standard is better
The talent drain, I’m curious
From Olinda, woori, monbulk and upwey
I don’t think I could find 10 players that are playing a higher standard

 

[Noodles Magee]

The standard is better
The talent drain, I’m curious
From Olinda, woori, monbulk and upwey
I don’t think I could find 10 players that are playing a higher standard

The standard is better
The talent drain, I’m curious
From Olinda, woori, monbulk and upwey
I don’t think I could find 10 players that are playing a higher standard

I’m struggling to understand that statement so just answer me this:
Are you telling me the side you now coach and the brand they play is of a better quality than that of the one you coached in 2018, the year before the expansion?

 

[Brendan j donovan]

I’m struggling to understand that statement so just answer me this:
Are you telling me the side you now coach and the brand they play is of a better quality than that of the one you coached in 2018, the year before the expansion?

I think so
Your club?

 

[Noodles Magee]

I’m struggling to understand that statement so just answer me this:
Are you telling me the side you now coach and the brand they play is of a better quality than that of the one you coached in 2018, the year before the expansion?

The standard is better
The talent drain, I’m curious
From Olinda, woori, monbulk and upwey
I don’t think I could find 10 players that are playing a higher standard

I never stated anything about players leaving for a better standard of footy. You stated that the standard of AFLOE footy had risen due to the expansion.

 

[Noodles Magee]

I think so
Your club?

Nope.

 

[Brendan j donovan]

Nope.

Ok, good night