SFNL Division 1 2024 discussion

[Wild Thing]

2 down has been the word around for sometime. Not against it but there’s not a lot between the 2 battling for 8th - the x2 Demons.

If the 12 team division did eventuate, Mordialloc relegated is a foregone conclusion but the 2 promotions from
Lower division - having watched the top 3 play one another ..Murrumbeena vs Doveton and Murrumbeena v East Malvern I dont think there is an awful amount between the 3 of them…Beena with the top end but battling points and best 22 under 46pts cap will be a battle - either way all 3 are a long way off where East Brighton was positioned 12 months ago and will need to all add 4/5 Real top enders in addition to holding their current top 12-14 to keep afloat in the top flight if the challenge is accepted.

The Narre coup - The head honcho should sit back pat himself and SFNL board team on the back and enjoy a glass of Pinot - this club like what Cranbourne did on arrival will sharpen up this competition…. Make no mistake. the standard has improved but get ready folks the professionalism and stakes are about to rise again.

Will only make the competition stronger which is a great thing.

Throw in the potential likes of the following teams joining in the near future if the Narre venture works-
Berwick Springs (likely)
Pakenham
Officer
Berwick ? (long shot….but never know)

Then the depth of Div 1 & 2 would be high calibre with these additions.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

2 down has been the word around for sometime. Not against it but there’s not a lot between the 2 battling for 8th - the x2 Demons.

If the 12 team division did eventuate, Mordialloc relegated is a foregone conclusion but the 2 promotions from
Lower division - having watched the top 3 play one another ..Murrumbeena vs Doveton and Murrumbeena v East Malvern I dont think there is an awful amount between the 3 of them…Beena with the top end but battling points and best 22 under 46pts cap will be a battle - either way all 3 are a long way off where East Brighton was positioned 12 months ago and will need to all add 4/5 Real top enders in addition to holding their current top 12-14 to keep afloat in the top flight if the challenge is accepted.

The Narre coup - The head honcho should sit back pat himself and SFNL board team on the back and enjoy a glass of Pinot - this club like what Cranbourne did on arrival will sharpen up this competition…. Make no mistake. the standard has improved but get ready folks the professionalism and stakes are about to rise again.

Narre, Cranbourne, Cheltenham, St Paul’s, Dingley, Port Colts, Springvale, East Brighton is the basis of a very strong comp and there’s a little bit of depth below. The league is finally getting back to where it should be, the geographic area is enormous and it should be a very big league, which it will be when it’s not being picked for parts by the EFNL, MPNFL, VAFA and others.

Berwick and Beaconsfield would be great gets too.

Shame there’s no Noble or Beaumaris.

 

[Yabblettt]

Will only make the competition stronger which is a great thing.

Throw in the potential likes of the following teams joining in the near future if the Narre venture works-
Berwick Springs (likely)
Pakenham
Officer
Berwick ? (long shot….but never know)

Then the depth of Div 1 & 2 would be high calibre with these additions.

No chance paky will be allowed in . Pushing the boundaries too far .

Berwick and beacy are watching with interest but that is as far as the league will look .


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[Marousses]

Will only make the competition stronger which is a great thing.

Throw in the potential likes of the following teams joining in the near future if the Narre venture works-
Berwick Springs (likely)
Pakenham
Officer
Berwick ? (long shot….but never know)

Then the depth of Div 1 & 2 would be high calibre with these additions.

 

[Marousses]

Will only make the competition stronger which is a great thing.

Throw in the potential likes of the following teams joining in the near future if the Narre venture works-
Berwick Springs (likely)
Pakenham
Officer
Berwick ? (long shot….but never know)

Then the depth of Div 1 & 2 would be high calibre with these additions.

I would take all 4 clubs mentioned but also look to start pick pocketing those inner southern suburban VAFA clubs

Oakleigh
Ormond
Elsternwick
Sth. Districts

Won’t get your baysiders
Rovers
Parkdale
Beauy

But the 4 outer southern suburban clubs and the 4 inner southern clubs would really strengthen the Southern top to toe

Add in Oakleigh who are absolutely wasting their time in eastern too.

Division 1 from hearsay around the traps is that the top 7 have produced some very quality football this season that had exerted the competition for sometime, adding clubs and opening the southern border is only a positive, hopefully the boss and his board keep persueing the potentials.

 

[bedford]

No chance paky will be allowed in . Pushing the boundaries too far .

Berwick and beacy are watching with interest but that is as far as the league will look .


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I used to play against Paky in West Gippsland they are like Narre Warren a south club

 

[bedford]

I would take all 4 clubs mentioned but also look to start pick pocketing those inner southern suburban VAFA clubs

Oakleigh
Ormond
Elsternwick
Sth. Districts

Won’t get your baysiders
Rovers
Parkdale
Beauy

But the 4 outer southern suburban clubs and the 4 inner southern clubs would really strengthen the Southern top to toe

Add in Oakleigh who are absolutely wasting their time in eastern too.

Division 1 from hearsay around the traps is that the top 7 have produced some very quality football this season that had exerted the competition for sometime, adding clubs and opening the southern border is only a positive, hopefully the boss and his board keep persueing the potentials.

Football Southern Bayside says hello

 

[Mr north man]

Football Southern Bayside says hello

Won’t get the 2 District club’s Oakleigh or South as both are happy where they are maybe try a get a Glen Eira to join.
But overall Southern is getting better but remember the aim should be to make all grades great not just Div 1 and 2 and here’s any idea for you Bedford or Mr Southern Bayside Football how about renaming Division 1 premier grade might give it a bit of polish.

 

[Wild Thing]

Football Southern Bayside says hello

Bomber it’s saying back mate….great concept just need someone with the insight to get it up and running. Unfortunately Ammo clubs too stubborn to move across and the rest of us too lazy or not enough ‘balls’ to envisage starting it up. Cricket seem to have got it right!

 

[Bunk Moreland]

I would take all 4 clubs mentioned but also look to start pick pocketing those inner southern suburban VAFA clubs

Oakleigh
Ormond
Elsternwick
Sth. Districts

Won’t get your baysiders
Rovers
Parkdale
Beauy

But the 4 outer southern suburban clubs and the 4 inner southern clubs would really strengthen the Southern top to toe

Add in Oakleigh who are absolutely wasting their time in eastern too.

Division 1 from hearsay around the traps is that the top 7 have produced some very quality football this season that had exerted the competition for sometime, adding clubs and opening the southern border is only a positive, hopefully the boss and his board keep persueing the potentials.

Oakleigh’s issue is juniors, to their credit they want juniors and have kicked it off.

The SMJFL would not admit them. So they had to enter the EFNL, who required them to bring their seniors over.

Get them a SMJFL side and I think they’d happily play in the SFNL.

No chance paky will be allowed in . Pushing the boundaries too far .

Berwick and beacy are watching with interest but that is as far as the league will look .


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If Pakenham and Officer wanted in the league would take them.

Not 100% sure they’re that desperate to move, Narre’s issue is they simply needed a proper challenge, the other two aren’t as good.

 

[Yabblettt]

Oakleigh’s issue is juniors, to their credit they want juniors and have kicked it off.

The SMJFL would not admit them. So they had to enter the EFNL, who required them to bring their seniors over.

Get them a SMJFL side and I think they’d happily play in the SFNL.




If Pakenham and Officer wanted in the league would take them.

Not 100% sure they’re that desperate to move, Narre’s issue is they simply needed a proper challenge, the other two aren’t as good.

Paky will not be allowed in . Fact and happy to put whatever on it


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[Bunk Moreland]

Paky will not be allowed in . Fact and happy to put whatever on it


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Ha well if you’re that confident, I’m not taking the bet!

 

[2s Hack]

Won’t get the 2 District club’s Oakleigh or South as both are happy where they are maybe try a get a Glen Eira to join.
But overall Southern is getting better but remember the aim should be to make all grades great not just Div 1 and 2 and here’s any idea for you Bedford or Mr Southern Bayside Football how about renaming Division 1 premier grade might give it a bit of polish.

Well making Div 1 & 2 stronger WILL make Div 3 better as well with a flow on effect

 

[sainter01]

Narre, Cranbourne, Cheltenham, St Paul’s, Dingley, Port Colts, Springvale, East Brighton is the basis of a very strong comp and there’s a little bit of depth below. The league is finally getting back to where it should be, the geographic area is enormous and it should be a very big league, which it will be when it’s not being picked for parts by the EFNL, MPNFL, VAFA and others.

Berwick and Beaconsfield would be great gets too.

Shame there’s no Noble or Beaumaris.

SFNL seems to be on the way up, especially if Narre Warren join next year, but having watched Noble play E Ringwood earlier this Season that League is next level and Beaumaris have been in the VAFA for nearly 30 years now

 

[Yabblettt]

Apparently sfnl league ceo was meeting narre tonight.

Would be good if he showed some interest in his current members .
More worried about potential new clubs than the current ones


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[Apophis]

SFNL seems to be on the way up, especially if Narre Warren join next year, but having watched Noble play E Ringwood earlier this Season that League is next level and Beaumaris have been in the VAFA for nearly 30 years now

Beaumaris got it right with their move to the Ammos. They are a huge club and do not have to compete with wage bills and mercernaries. The SFL needs to be careful. Once you start stretching out to Pakenham, Officer and even Berwick then you lose the essence of the competition. The SFL has been down this path before and it ended in tears in the 90's when they absorbed the Churches competition, and blew out to 5 Divisions. They gave up their strong junior competition and then stood by and watched as clubs folded year on year. Eventually they lost Bentleigh, Beaumaris, South Districts, Noble Park and Balwyn. The SFL need to look in their own backyard. The biggest threat to the competition are the number of teams with no juniors. These clubs can quickly disintegrate when one or two major backers retire or pass on. Look at what happened to Doveton who won promotion and then nearly folded. Yes move on and grow the competition, but also pause and have a look at the mistakes previous administrations made and make sure they do not repeat them.

 

[Peta Deutschland]

Beaumaris got it right with their move to the Ammos. They are a huge club and do not have to compete with wage bills and mercernaries. The SFL needs to be careful. Once you start stretching out to Pakenham, Officer and even Berwick then you lose the essence of the competition. The SFL has been down this path before and it ended in tears in the 90's when they absorbed the Churches competition, and blew out to 5 Divisions. They gave up their strong junior competition and then stood by and watched as clubs folded year on year. Eventually they lost Bentleigh, Beaumaris, South Districts, Noble Park and Balwyn. The SFL need to look in their own backyard. The biggest threat to the competition are the number of teams with no juniors. These clubs can quickly disintegrate when one or two major backers retire or pass on. Look at what happened to Doveton who won promotion and then nearly folded. Yes move on and grow the competition, but also pause and have a look at the mistakes previous administrations made and make sure they do not repeat them.

What can the league do to improve the junior competition?


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[bedford]

Beaumaris got it right with their move to the Ammos. They are a huge club and do not have to compete with wage bills and mercernaries. The SFL needs to be careful. Once you start stretching out to Pakenham, Officer and even Berwick then you lose the essence of the competition. The SFL has been down this path before and it ended in tears in the 90's when they absorbed the Churches competition, and blew out to 5 Divisions. They gave up their strong junior competition and then stood by and watched as clubs folded year on year. Eventually they lost Bentleigh, Beaumaris, South Districts, Noble Park and Balwyn. The SFL need to look in their own backyard. The biggest threat to the competition are the number of teams with no juniors. These clubs can quickly disintegrate when one or two major backers retire or pass on. Look at what happened to Doveton who won promotion and then nearly folded. Yes move on and grow the competition, but also pause and have a look at the mistakes previous administrations made and make sure they do not repeat them.

Beaumaris have pulled their 3rds due to lack of numbers

 

[Yabblettt]

What can the league do to improve the junior competition?


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They can improve their relationship with the SMJFL.
Share the same office but do not get along .
They will say they have done everything they can do, but really , have they ?


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[God Yeah]

What can the league do to improve the junior competition?


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Considering East Malvern shares its ground/facilties with one of the biggest junior clubs in the state and still doesn't have a relationship with the junior football club, I'd imagine it's not that easy at club or organisation/competition level.

 

[Marousses]

Beaumaris have pulled their 3rds due to lack of numbers

Beaumaris had it all before them pre season 2023… fast forward 15 months , close finals loss 2023, high end players out for cash pre season 2024 ,mid tier this year, 3rds pulled and 2s thumped Saturday , give it 1 more year in B grade and lets see if the lure of southern isn’t that unattractive. Watch this space…

Add in

Ormond D1 ammos
Oakleigh C grade winless
Elsternwick floundering lower

Rinse and repeat

time for the tea growers and yesteryears believers of the amateur association clubs mentioned above to think long and hard about the future of the Amateur competition.

 

[bedford]

They can improve their relationship with the SMJFL.
Share the same office but do not get along .
They will say they have done everything they can do, but really , have they ?


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SMJFL WOULD NOT GET ON WITH ANYONE

 

[God Yeah]

Beaumaris had it all before them pre season 2023… fast forward 15 months , close finals loss 2023, high end players out for cash pre season 2024 ,mid tier this year, 3rds pulled and 2s thumped Saturday , give it 1 more year in B grade and lets see if the lure of southern isn’t that unattractive. Watch this space…

Add in

Ormond D1 ammos
Oakleigh C grade winless
Elsternwick floundering lower

Rinse and repeat

time for the tea growers and yesteryears believers of the amateur association clubs mentioned above to think long and hard about the future of the Amateur competition.

Can't see Beaumaris leaving the VAFA anytime soon.

Better off focusing on Oakleigh and possibly Elsternwick (who are on the up of late, albeit in the lower grades)

 

[Bunk Moreland]

Beaumaris got it right with their move to the Ammos. They are a huge club and do not have to compete with wage bills and mercernaries. The SFL needs to be careful. Once you start stretching out to Pakenham, Officer and even Berwick then you lose the essence of the competition. The SFL has been down this path before and it ended in tears in the 90's when they absorbed the Churches competition, and blew out to 5 Divisions. They gave up their strong junior competition and then stood by and watched as clubs folded year on year. Eventually they lost Bentleigh, Beaumaris, South Districts, Noble Park and Balwyn. The SFL need to look in their own backyard. The biggest threat to the competition are the number of teams with no juniors. These clubs can quickly disintegrate when one or two major backers retire or pass on. Look at what happened to Doveton who won promotion and then nearly folded. Yes move on and grow the competition, but also pause and have a look at the mistakes previous administrations made and make sure they do not repeat them.

Port Melbourne to Pakenham is under an hour (just) so okay but probably on the limit of what you want in a local league.

The EFNL has also become too big and bloated. The mission was 50 clubs but that isn’t going to happen now - they’re back to 47 with Glen Waverley folding and they have clubs struggling for numbers. Berwick and Norwood have regularly put out 15 or 16 players in reserves games this year. In Premier Div, it’s embarrassing.

I think a proper review would probably show that the entire area covered by the EFNL and SFNL would be better served by three leagues rather than two. 85 clubs in the two leagues, plus some coming in from the Outer East and the northern MPNFL clubs - you’d be getting toward 100 senior clubs.

But it won’t happen, too many individual empires to build and no interest from above in leading change.

 

[Sth Melb Hellas]

What can the league do to improve the junior competition?


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Bring back the Spartan League.