Traded Shai Bolton, pick 14 & F3 (Rich) traded to Fremantle for picks 10, 11 & 18

[Revan11]

Please, tell me all about what good trade value is.

29, 41, 49 & 73 for SANFL Soldo & 50

Lol.

lol you’re acting like I personally made that trade

 

[Danog]

lol you’re acting like I personally made that trade

I'm onto you, Jason

 

[King Huskii]

I think Bolton improves them more than Warner despite being the lesser player. Bolton is a huge upgrade on Swikowski and Walter. Warner forces one of Serong, Brayshaw and Young out of the guts. Only a slight upgrade on those slots and devalues them in the process.

He doesn't force them out of the guts he forces out an old aged Fyfe who should be ready to retire after next season

 

[Red Black and Blue]

He doesn't force them out of the guts he forces out an old aged Fyfe who should be ready to retire after next season

Whats Fyfe doing these days 30% midfield time? Easily cover that with Bolton as well.

 

[Joao]

Whats Fyfe doing these days 30% midfield time? Easily cover that with Bolton as well.

90% midfield.

 

[Lach72]

Dunno.

Jon Ralph reckons Liam Baker is worth pick 12.

Is he drunk, a moron or both?

A tiger fan boi

 

[freo1997]

9 & 27 for him. Even Caroline Wilson for goodness sake’s says he isn’t worth 2 first rounders. That leaves 10 and 17 for Warner and if that falls through, add baker with the 17.

Bolton and Warner in the same off season would be huge and I believe we have the picks to just make it happen. We also have Erasmus, Sturt and Brodie to throw in as sweeteners. Erasmus being a previous top 10 pick.

 

[mrposhman]

Freo's issue is more than what 1 poster suggested was a couple of injuries to Treacy, Darcy etc though these are obviously part of the problem.

If you take a look at clubs against the top 8, Freo come in at 13th in the AFL, in line with St Kilda with 3 wins and 8 losses and a % of 86%. Looking a bit closer at scores for and against, scores for ranked 14th in the AFL against top 8 sides (75.4) and 8th for scores against (87.5).

In terms of scores for, the top 4 in the AFL against top 8 sides with Carlton (91.1), Sydney (90.0), Port (88.1) and Geelong (86.6). The latter 3 all finished top 4, Carlton finished 8th because they concede so many scores against top 8 sides (ranked 15th with scores against of 97.7).

Geelong is a good target for Freo to compare to. Similar attacking setups, they are scoring on average about 2 more goals per game than Freo against top 8 opposition.

The talls are fine, taking the best 2 talls and a mid, Geelong have Cameron, Hawkins / Neale and Henry that average about 5.6 goals per game, Freo have Treacy, Amiss and Sturt that average about 5.5 goals per game. No issue with their talls.

The smalls are a fair way away, Close and Stengle average 2.92 goals between the 2 of them, Banfield and Frederick only 2.15. Then throw players like Emmett in there with 0.5 goals per game and less goals from the midfield and you have the issue. More goals from the midfield and small forwards, hello Shai Bolton

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Shai Bolton

Age

26

Ht

176cm

Wt

77kg

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M/F

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.3

3star

K

6.9

3star

HB

5.4

4star

M

2.8

3star

T

2.9

4star

CL

1.4

4star

D

12.7

3star

K

9.2

4star

HB

3.5

2star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.7

4star

CL

1.8

4star

D

9.2

3star

K

4.6

2star

HB

4.6

4star

M

2.0

3star

T

2.6

4star

CL

0.0

1star

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[wakojako]

Freo's issue is more than what 1 poster suggested was a couple of injuries to Treacy, Darcy etc though these are obviously part of the problem.

If you take a look at clubs against the top 8, Freo come in at 13th in the AFL, in line with St Kilda with 3 wins and 8 losses and a % of 86%. Looking a bit closer at scores for and against, scores for ranked 14th in the AFL against top 8 sides (75.4) and 8th for scores against (87.5).

In terms of scores for, the top 4 in the AFL against top 8 sides with Carlton (91.1), Sydney (90.0), Port (88.1) and Geelong (86.6). The latter 3 all finished top 4, Carlton finished 8th because they concede so many scores against top 8 sides (ranked 15th with scores against of 97.7).

Geelong is a good target for Freo to compare to. Similar attacking setups, they are scoring on average about 2 more goals per game than Freo against top 8 opposition.

The talls are fine, taking the best 2 talls and a mid, Geelong have Cameron, Hawkins / Neale and Henry that average about 5.6 goals per game, Freo have Treacy, Amiss and Sturt that average about 5.5 goals per game. No issue with their talls.

The smalls are a fair way away, Close and Stengle average 2.92 goals between the 2 of them, Banfield and Frederick only 2.15. Then throw players like Emmett in there with 0.5 goals per game and less goals from the midfield and you have the issue. More goals from the midfield and small forwards, hello Shai Bolton.

Freo will get him if Richmond offer a reasonable price. If they demand overs it won't happen. It is therefore, up to Richmond if this trade does happen. You won't find many Freo supporters against this trade so not sure why people are still trying to justify it on this board.

 

[mrposhman]

Freo will get him if Richmond offer a reasonable price. If they demand overs it won't happen. It is therefore, up to Richmond if this trade does happen. You won't find many Freo supporters against this trade so not sure why people are still trying to justify it on this board.

What do you call a reasonable price though?

 

[wakojako]

What do you call a reasonable price though?

I think everyone agrees with two firsts, maybe some other minor picks. It won't be more or less and both parties will win.

 

[mrposhman]

I think everyone agrees with two firsts, maybe some other minor picks. It won't be more or less and both parties will win.

OK ok. I've seen other ones thrown out.

I think the 1st 2 will be 9 and 10 and the picks going back to Freo will balance out the trade, possibly include a pick in 2025.

I've thought for a long time you will trade 17 out relatively quickly to Brisbane for their F1. You will want at least 2 1sts ready to go in 2025, when you guys will push hard for Warner.

 

[juss]

100% this. Freo aren't close enough to the window to be topping up with 'cream on top' players.

Hit the draft, build the list, challenge in 3-4 years.

Yes you are. The jump from 9th to top 4 or even premier is very feasible.

Also, Bolton is still 25 for a few months, 26 all next season, he's got a long while left that even if you challenge in 3-4 years he'll still be capable of elite footy, it's not like he's currently 29.

 

[DragoDelph]

OK ok. I've seen other ones thrown out.

I think the 1st 2 will be 9 and 10 and the picks going back to Freo will balance out the trade, possibly include a pick in 2025.

I've thought for a long time you will trade 17 out relatively quickly to Brisbane for their F1. You will want at least 2 1sts ready to go in 2025, when you guys will push hard for Warner.

We already have two firsts available next year.

2025 + 2026. 3x if they allow an extra year of futures.

Still think the club will want an early pick in this years draft.

 

[gungho]

pretty much a win win here as the tigers would love draft capital and the dockers would love a skilful forward/mid.

I am sure 2x firsts would get it done but salary might end up being the bigger problem. (As Bradshaw, Serong, young, amiss, treacy ect, will command good money. Not to mention the bizarre notion of 2 rucks on 800k each).

 

[The Goon]

pretty much a win win here as the tigers would love draft capital and the dockers would love a skilful forward/mid.

I am sure 2x firsts would get it done but salary might end up being the bigger problem. (As Bradshaw, Serong, young, amiss, treacy ect, will command good money. Not to mention the bizarre notion of 2 rucks on 800k each).

Can't see an issue with some salary being involved given the exodus of highly paid players at Tigerland. To me it's the thing that makes 9 + 10 easier to swallow for Freo.

 

[mrposhman]

Can't see an issue with some salary being involved given the exodus of highly paid players at Tigerland. To me it's the thing that makes 9 + 10 easier to swallow for Freo.

Without a doubt we will cover some salary if needed to get those 2 top 10 picks. I'm sure we'd cover the max amount as we can, and in future years, we will likely try and trade salary cap space once salary cap pick trading comes in probably next year. Makes way more sense than overpaying players on our own list.

 

[mrposhman]

We already have two firsts available next year.

2025 + 2026. 3x if they allow an extra year of futures.

Still think the club will want an early pick in this years draft.

Depends how much you think Warner will cost. If you get Bolton, then you will almost certainly make finals bar any injury dramas. Your next 2 firsts could be in the 15-18 range. I think getting the max amount as possible makes more sense. You guys actually have a very young list compared to many other finals contenders, I reckon missing a couple of years 1st rounds in order to add the likes of Bolton and Warner (if he's available) is absolutely the right strategy and try to get a few diamonds in the rough with a few later picks over the next couple of years.

Tigers would almost certainly cover some of Boltons salary which keeps your salary cap open to add someone like Warner next year if he's available.

 

[DragoDelph]

Depends how much you think Warner will cost. If you get Bolton, then you will almost certainly make finals bar any injury dramas. Your next 2 firsts could be in the 15-18 range. I think getting the max amount as possible makes more sense. You guys actually have a very young list compared to many other finals contenders, I reckon missing a couple of years 1st rounds in order to add the likes of Bolton and Warner (if he's available) is absolutely the right strategy and try to get a few diamonds in the rough with a few later picks over the next couple of years.

Tigers would almost certainly cover some of Boltons salary which keeps your salary cap open to add someone like Warner next year if he's available.

We didn't take a R1 pick last year, we need to take one this year to stay within the rules for pick trading.

We could get away with it if one of the academy kids is a first rounder next year, but there's no guarantee of that.

 

[Morro]

Can't see an issue with some salary being involved given the exodus of highly paid players at Tigerland. To me it's the thing that makes 9 + 10 easier to swallow for Freo.

Agree, the Swans wont be offering to pay Warners wage, so Freo might actually need us to help them indirectly which will come at a significant cost.

 

[The Goon]

Without a doubt we will cover some salary if needed to get those 2 top 10 picks. I'm sure we'd cover the max amount as we can, and in future years, we will likely try and trade salary cap space once salary cap pick trading comes in probably next year. Makes way more sense than overpaying players on our own list.

That 95% requirement is just ridiculous for rebuilding / poor teams. Ruins it as an equalisation measure. Salary cap pick trading cant come soon enough.

Tigers would almost certainly cover some of Boltons salary which keeps your salary cap open to add someone like Warner next year if he's available.

Agree, the Swans wont be offering to pay Warners wage, so Freo might actually need us to help them indirectly which will come at a significant cost.

Really good point.

 

[DragoDelph]

Agree, the Swans wont be offering to pay Warners wage, so Freo might actually need us to help them indirectly which will come at a significant cost.

Could also be handy to up an offer to a free agent to get them over the line, or provide an early bonus for Sturt/Brayshaw so the following years are less.

Provides so much flexibility.

 

[wakojako]

Your next 2 firsts could be in the 15-18 range. I think getting the max amount as possible makes more sense.

I agree with this, which is why I think we need to shift a pick into next year if Chad has indicated he is willing to move to Freo. We should theoretically be challenging for a top four spot next year if we add Bolton so next year's pick won't be great. If we add Warner to the list our 2025 pick will be worth even less because you should be making top two with that list.

 

[Freoforever86]

Agree, the Swans wont be offering to pay Warners wage, so Freo might actually need us to help them indirectly which will come at a significant cost.

Can’t imagine warners on anything substantial yet anyways, not for a year. If we sign him it’ll be a 5+ year deal and the $ all us.

 

[rye]

OK ok. I've seen other ones thrown out.

I think the 1st 2 will be 9 and 10 and the picks going back to Freo will balance out the trade, possibly include a pick in 2025.

I've thought for a long time you will trade 17 out relatively quickly to Brisbane for their F1. You will want at least 2 1sts ready to go in 2025, when you guys will push hard for Warner.

why would brisbane do this?