Rumour Shane Mumford - Video "snorting powder"

[CatFan79]

it’s a pretty fair whack of the population who use.

Never underestimate how many morons exist in this world.. Exactly the reason why it's really not that hard to get ahead.

Just some basic common sense gets you past a lot of them.

 

[Donstuie]

In case there was still any doubt

No other GWS player or player from any other club was involved.

 

[CatFan79]

In case there was still any doubt

...and even though Mumford annihilated a monster line he's not a regular user, he was injured (depressed), he's really sorry and ashamed and it won't happen again.

 

[Aeglos]

Is that like those reports that say a few million Victorians went to the footy in 2018 when what they really mean is that a few hundred thousand went to a dozen games?

IIRC (happy to be wrong), they determine this kind of thing by measuring concentration of illicit drugs in the sewage system and then extrapolate that across the population. So whilst they get a reasonable sense of how much illicit drug consumption there is across society, they really have NFI how many individuals are actually consuming. Is it 3.1 million who do it once a year? Or Hundreds of thousands who do it dozens of times a year? I suspect it’s closer to the latter.

That’s one method they use to determine drug usage by locality.
The 3.1 million is extrapolated from surveys and breaks it down into age demographics if you’ve got enough time to read the full report.
https://campaigns.health.gov.au/drughelp/drug-trends-and-statistics

 

[DapperDon]

Never underestimate how many morons exist in this world.. Exactly the reason why it's really not that hard to get ahead.

Just some basic common sense gets you past a lot of them.

Those ar the top use as much as anyone.

 

[Aeglos]

Never underestimate how many morons exist in this world.. Exactly the reason why it's really not that hard to get ahead.

Just some basic common sense gets you past a lot of them.

Sound logic in theory, but I reckon the number of ‘successful’ people doing coke outweighs the number of unsuccessful.

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

Those ar the top use as much as anyone.

I think you're close to an epithany. When you realise that those at the "top" are as likely to be morons as any other group you'll take a real step forward.
It leads you to a scary place.

 

[Suma Magic]

In case there was still any doubt

I still don’t believe it. Looks exactly like Setterfield.

 

[evo]

He certainly looks pretty experienced at the caper.

 

[76woodenspooners]

Sound logic in theory, but I reckon the number of ‘successful’ people doing coke outweighs the number of unsuccessful.

There are circles you can move around in society and reasonably form the belief that illicit drug consumption is well over 50%.

And there are other circles you can move around in and be quite confident that it is well, well below 1%.

The truth is that it’s more prevalent than the “well less than 1%” circles, and far less prevalent than the “greater than 50%” circles.

And it’s got little to do with success or socioeconomic demographics.

 

[76woodenspooners]

That’s one method they use to determine drug usage by locality.
The 3.1 million is extrapolated from surveys and breaks it down into age demographics if you’ve got enough time to read the full report.
https://campaigns.health.gov.au/drughelp/drug-trends-and-statistics

It points out that the highest incidence is Cannabis usage, which - rightly or wrongly - society does view differently to vacuuming up a line of powder / popping a pill.

The second highest is misuse of prescription drugs (dunno ... opioids?)

 

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Why would Setterfield be hanging out with Giants players mid way through 2015?

 

[Isaac Cumming No 1]

There are circles you can move around in society and reasonably form the belief that illicit drug consumption is well over 50%.

And there are other circles you can move around in and be quite confident that it is well, well below 1%.

The truth is that it’s more prevalent than the “well less than 1%” circles, and far less prevalent than the “greater than 50%” circles.

And it’s got little to do with success or socioeconomic demographics.

There's truth in that.

You couldn't frequent pubs in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs without noticing it's prevalence though. Unless you were constantly confused at the difficulty if accessing toilets and people of innapropriate sex sneaking into them.

My regular some years ago had a manager determined to stamp out drug use in the premises and it was very common nevertheless.

I've seen people complaining bitterly at bouncers attempting to confiscate coke, probably for their own use.

 

[Aeglos]

It points out that the highest incidence is Cannabis usage, which - rightly or wrongly - society does view differently to vacuuming up a line of powder / popping a pill.

The second highest is misuse of prescription drugs (dunno ... opioids?)

Highest number of ODs are 40-49 y/old males on legal drugs iirc so likely to be analgesics such as opioids I’d imagine

 

[dave123]

Hardline? We haven’t seen hardline yet. Not even close.

Automatic testing at all club urinals / tearing up the contract of anyone who gets busted / shutting down of the competition until it gets fixed ... that’s when things get hardline.

Why would they? Why should we care?

For one, it doesn’t matter how big a party girl they were back in the day, mums (and Dads) don’t want their sons (or daughters) doing that stuff. And if Mums start getting into the ear of their 12 year old sons that if they really want to play AFL then they’ll have to find their own way of getting to training and to games ... then that’s really bad for the competition.



Wait, what??? What is this “dob in approach?” How often does that really happen?



Sure. But that’s not mutually exclusive?



What about “Don’t do it or you’re risking a 2 / 4 year ban from sporting competition by ASADA if your coke is cut with the wrong stuff - and WTF, how would you ever know that it isn’t.” (Josh Thomas / Lachlan Keeffe) or “Don’t do it or you’re risking a 2 / 4 year ban from sporting competition by ASADA if it gets found in your system on gameday”? (As Sam Murray is alleged to have done)



Sure (if we’re not doing that already) but again that’s not mutually exclusive.



You said yourself that we need to help young people make better choices. How about we get their role models to make better choices? And if folks who get paid $$$ to kick a pigskin around a paddock don’t want to be a role model, then that’s totally cool, they go and have another profession instead where they don’t carry that responsibility.



Sure, that’s not a good thing either.



Surely the person on the other side of the camera is a bigger idiot?

If it wasn’t for videos like this, wouldn’t we all be ‘head in the sand’ denying that this goes on. And now that we see that this stuff goes on, and maybe more of it goes on, doesn’t that motivate people to actually do something about it? Motivate people to do some of the things you are suggesting? Isn’t that a good thing?



Cars kill a lot of people too. Poor diet kills a lot of people too ... but in this case an ex footy player didn’t get filmed drinking or eating junk food or driving a car. He got filmed doing ... whether you agree with the law or the morals or not ... an illegal and immoral activity.



Can you think of a better way of raising awareness? Raising awareness is a good thing, yes?

Sure, it’s embarrassing for Mumford ... but he put himself in that position? Maybe this turns out to be a positive thing for him - if he needs one of those interventions you spoke about (we don’t know) then this will help him get it?



Maybe its incidents like this that create the impetus to fix it?

Good luck telling your kids just to don’t do something

They will 85% kids will experiment with drugs in their life wether you like it or not .....we want them to be informed with information

Most footballers I suspect will try something once or twice at some point also ...again we want them to do it safely

It is so unrealistic to expect people not to do it

Not many die from doing a line of coke at party but he’s be made to be a villain ...the overreaction is ridiculous

I would go down a harm min realistic education

Start with when you experiment with drugs ...please get people to put phones away ...no filming ..

There will be people who develope dependency in society and football clubs ...bit the percentage in footy clubs is much lower ...

He did some lines at a party ...yet thousands of binge drinking aussies get smashed every weekend ..going home beating their wives and girlfriends ...assaulting taxi drivers

We have a drug problem in this country ....it’s called alcohol

If you put that same substance in glass and drank it no one would have known ....

Just saying no doesn’t work ...it failed with prohibition in the 1920-30’s ...it will fail again

Please read chasing the scream if you get a chance ...by hohan hari.

Kids and other players won’t stop using coke because Mumford got caught on video ...they might pop a pill instead and not know what’s in it ...they’ll do it more discretely. We have to accept drug use is normal. Yup we do t like it but it simply can’t be stopped. And thanks for the reply. It was a good post and you care about it.

Agree the guy holding the camera should be charged with sending a video without someone’s consent ...this needs to be addressed.

 

[dave123]

There's truth in that.

You couldn't frequent pubs in Sydney's Eastern Suburbs without noticing it's prevalence though. Unless you were constantly confused at the difficulty if accessing toilets and people of innapropriate sex sneaking into them.

My regular some years ago had a manager determined to stamp out drug use in the premises and it was very common nevertheless.

I've seen people complaining bitterly at bouncers attempting to confiscate coke, probably for their own use.

They sell it for a nice profit

 

[dave123]

In 2016 it was reported that 3.1 million Australian’s had used illicit drugs.
Doesn’t take a maths genius that once you rule out the elderly and young kids that it’s a pretty fair whack of the population who use. Logically speaking you’re going to have 18 year olds and 30 year olds using, and some of those guys are going to be at the same sporting club. Pretty easy thing to bond over so why wouldn’t they hang out together?

That’s about right last time I looked

 

[dave123]

So WE have to change to help those who won't. Rightio.

Maybe we need to have realistic eduction

I deliver realistic education .....I got to high school students

I start by saying saying if your in the 85% of kids who will experiment with drugs how will keep yourself safe and get home ....many kids won’t call their parents to come get them when things get outa hand because they are worried their parents will go physcho st them and shame them

They die.....people die because the stigma attached to drug and alcohol use.....

In terms of Afl...and this will never happen but we need to be realistic ....this will happen ...stop saying no don’t do it .....this actually makes them go ...man this shit must be good if they keep telling me not to do it ...

The more you say no to someone them. Ore likely they look at you and go why ......screw you let me find out for myself ..human nature

 

[dave123]

Never underestimate how many morons exist in this world.. Exactly the reason why it's really not that hard to get ahead.

Just some basic common sense gets you past a lot of them.

Whoa moral police .....have a look at around your workplace ...there’s probably a bunch of people who use and aren’t morons

 

[Aussie in exile]

So your saying his crime was getting caught?

In my opinion the AFL's policy towards drugs in the game is broom, sweep, rug.
They wont tackle the problem head on, hence the 3 strike cover up rule

 

[Tandy]

Certainly not a one off incident as he looked like a pro. It's blatantly obvious GWS have a cultural problem with drugs.

 

[Aussie in exile]

So whats the soultion? Outright ban?

In my opinion yes. Despite all the hype the AFL do next to nothing to combat the games drug culture

 

[Mofra]

Certainly not a one off incident as he looked like a pro. It's blatantly obvious GWS have a cultural problem with drugs.

It's AFL-wide.

People lose their shit if a player is seen with a beer and clubs monitor body-comp. and skinfolds so heavily players gravitate towards anything which won't impinge upon that.

 

[Aussie in exile]

If they banned every player that had done drugs we would have maybe 2 teams combined left

The perhaps the AFL would take the problem seriously instead of saying x player is injured and will be out for a month = tested positive for drugs name and shame is the way forward

 

[Tandy]

It's AFL-wide.

People lose their shit if a player is seen with a beer and clubs monitor body-comp. and skinfolds so heavily players gravitate towards anything which won't impinge upon that.

Agreed. No different to society as a whole.
A lot of the players I don't think have a real grasp of what's reality. All they've really known is school>football. It's a different life the rest of us live out of the spotlight.
Key word is educate educate educate