Malibu#27
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That, after a quick read of the other site, it seemed that a lot of what you have been saying is simply a rehash of words on that site.
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That, after a quick read of the other site, it seemed that a lot of what you have been saying is simply a rehash of words on that site.
as if im going to bother reading all that.
your original question was were there US troops in Darwin? (or something very similar)
to which i replied yes there were, you then proceeded to erply with Thank you. You've just told us all that you truly don't have a clue. do you.
ahem, there WERE US troops in Darwin, you didnt ask anything else.
you say its not black and white, so tell me about the US Destroyer 'Peary', and tell me how Darwin was getting absolutely hammered until April wen the AMERICAN P40s came along.
oh and dont forget to tel me how i dont have a clue too
thats mandatory with all your posts...
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Well, at the moment its not, is it.
Actually I have no probs with opinion. Its when you come out and make 'facts', that aren't facts, that I have a problem.
Anyways, this time it had nothing to do with your opinion.
And no, I don't think intellect has anything to do with it tell you the truth.
I have an interest in history. Knowledge yes, however intelligence is in this case irrelevant.
And yeah, in regards to ME issues, politics and history, I know I have more knowledge then you do. Sorry if that sounds arragont (which it probably does).
However, I acknowledge that there are other posters that have more knowledge in these areas then i do. However your not one of them.
You said I'm trying to be something i'm not.
So what exactly am i trying to be??
Ok, i'll answer your questions. Though, i've noticed how you never seem to answer mine.
Of course they occurred.
Whether Australians were targetted in Bali. Most probably, however, if you knew anything about the internal politics of indonesia, you'd know that the targetting of Australia was the be all and end all. (that Australian's wasn't the only reason why bali was targetted)
Thats why I asked for proof (was tongue in cheek). Because there is no proof. To this day, Aust intelligence is divided on the issue.
The Aust govt have back flipped a number of times whether it was targetting of Aust or not. (of course when it suits there argument).
Plus the fact that there have been a number of terrorist attacks in Indonesia, by muslim radicals, where NO australians have been targetted, or killed.
Malibu#27
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Well, at the moment its not, is it.
We agree on something.
Actually I have no probs with opinion. Its when you come out and make 'facts', that aren't facts, that I have a problem.
Anyways, this time it had nothing to do with your opinion.
I don't believe I've ever claimed anything I've said is FACT.
I understand that America pumps out propaganda, but to be fair they have also (the media) been more than willing to let us know when the yanks have ****ed up.
I get the strong impression that the same cant be said for the other side in this conflict.
And no, I don't think intellect has anything to do with it tell you the truth.
I have an interest in history. Knowledge yes, however intelligence is in this case irrelevant.
And yeah, in regards to ME issues, politics and history, I know I have more knowledge then you do. Sorry if that sounds arragont (which it probably does).
Which is a fair call, however you only seem to put across one side of the argument. I am not aware of internal middle eastern issues anywhere near the extent that you are.
You freely admit that Americans pump out propaganda, do you not think it is also possible that the information that you get from the other side is in some part also misleading ?
However, I acknowledge that there are other posters that have more knowledge in these areas then i do. However your not one of them.
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You said I'm trying to be something i'm not.
So what exactly am i trying to be??
Your still referring to a off the cuff/tongue in cheeck remark made in response to you making a statement that came across (even though I full well know it wasnt your intention) .. that you had more right to use the internet because you were a computer programmer and designed the systems we mere mortals use.
Get over it .. it was a bit of banter.
Ok, i'll answer your questions. Though, i've noticed how you never seem to answer mine.
Of course they occurred.
Whether Australians were targetted in Bali. Most probably, however, if you knew anything about the internal politics of indonesia, you'd know that the targetting of Australia was the be all and end all. (that Australian's wasn't the only reason why bali was targetted)
Thats why I asked for proof (was tongue in cheek). Because there is no proof. To this day, Aust intelligence is divided on the issue.
The Aust govt have back flipped a number of times whether it was targetting of Aust or not. (of course when it suits there argument).
Plus the fact that there have been a number of terrorist attacks in Indonesia, by muslim radicals, where NO australians have been targetted, or killed.
So judging by your response .. it seems that in your opinion it is "most probably" likely that Australians were targeted.
Is it fair to say that they were targetted by Muslim radicals?
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Yes, however there have been a number of reports, that for some reason have been ignored by our media.
Reports made by respected journalists (western journalists, not arab).
For eg, Robert Fisk claims that after inspecting the Bagdad market that was bombed, he found a piece of metal with an english serial number.
He tracked the serial number of the internet, and found that it traced back to the company that produces cruise missiles for the US army.
Now no mention of this whatsoever in the mainstream media. No denial, no confirmation, nothing. Totally ignored it. Its things like this that makes me awfully suspicious, that they are not reporting objectively.
Also, journalists embedded in the american millitary is just another way of saying ' the news is censored by the US millitary'.
I fail to see how comparing our media, with that of Iraq, is supposed to be 'positive' reflection on our media.
They live in a dictatorship, we live in a democracy.
You'd expect a dictatorship to have controlled media, true?
Where, a democracy ought to have a free media system. Unfortunately we do not.
I have a friend that is a journalist for THE AGE.
She has told me that when she first started, she was naive in thinking that she would report fairly, showing the story in as an objective manner as possible.
However, a few months in the job, and she realised that EVERYTHING is censored. Everything. Censored by her editors, and those above.
Is this the 'free press' that a democracy is supposed to have??
Possible, however highly unlikely considereing I get all of my information from other American and western sources.
I cannot read arabic, its not like I go to arab websites to get there propaganda.
I read western news. Leftist propaganda perhaps. But then I ask myself this....
American govt release propaganda to support there agenda, aims, etc....
The arabs/Iraqi's release propaganda to support there agenda, aims, etc ....
But why would the left release propaganda. And if they do, is this organised propaganda (as in US/arab propaganda). Personally I don't think so, however, yes, this to may be propaganda.
ITs one thing to look at propaganda, however, I also look at the end result of the propaganda.
Yes
Yes. But I still say its not that black and white.
A domestic agenda was involved, perhaps more so then the international ones. Australian's got caught in the middle, for a number of reasons.
Yes, however there have been a number of reports, that for some reason have been ignored by our media.
Reports made by respected journalists (western journalists, not arab).
For eg, Robert Fisk claims that after inspecting the Bagdad market that was bombed, he found a piece of metal with an english serial number.
He tracked the serial number of the internet, and found that it traced back to the company that produces cruise missiles for the US army.
Now no mention of this whatsoever in the mainstream media. No denial, no confirmation, nothing. Totally ignored it. Its things like this that makes me awfully suspicious, that they are not reporting objectively.
Also, journalists embedded in the american millitary is just another way of saying ' the news is censored by the US millitary'.
I fail to see how comparing our media, with that of Iraq, is supposed to be 'positive' reflection on our media.
They live in a dictatorship, we live in a democracy.
You'd expect a dictatorship to have controlled media, true?
Where, a democracy ought to have a free media system. Unfortunately we do not.
I have a friend that is a journalist for THE AGE.
She has told me that when she first started, she was naive in thinking that she would report fairly, showing the story in as an objective manner as possible.
However, a few months in the job, and she realised that EVERYTHING is censored. Everything. Censored by her editors, and those above.
Is this the 'free press' that a democracy is supposed to have??
Possible, however highly unlikely considereing I get all of my information from other American and western sources.
I cannot read arabic, its not like I go to arab websites to get there propaganda.
I read western news. Leftist propaganda perhaps. But then I ask myself this....
American govt release propaganda to support there agenda, aims, etc....
The arabs/Iraqi's release propaganda to support there agenda, aims, etc ....
But why would the left release propaganda. And if they do, is this organised propaganda (as in US/arab propaganda). Personally I don't think so, however, yes, this to may be propaganda.
ITs one thing to look at propaganda, however, I also look at the end result of the propaganda.
Yes
Yes. But I still say its not that black and white.
A domestic agenda was involved, perhaps more so then the international ones. Australian's got caught in the middle, for a number of reasons.
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War is always full of propaganda from BOTH SIDES. The bloody hard thing is how to make heads or tails of anything that is said in the media, whether it be coalition or Saddam related. You can put a spin on anything that happens, like the coalition saying that they are advancing, and Saddams info minister saying not. Damn it's confusing.
can't spell TWO words in a row or I'd lose him!!!!!
he only has 2 degrees after all!!!!!!
PLEASE!
Lets ger PERSONAL!
Love to have a "chat"!!!!!!!!
Shall we start the "gutless" thread now????
I'll take odds sunshine..............
Lets ger PERSONAL!
Love to have a "chat"!!!!!!!!
Shall we start the "gutless" thread now????
I'll take odds sunshine..............
Go to sleeep (WELL) sweet prince!
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Enjoy courtesy of 3rd Armoured!
Yeah guys let's have less of the "I'm coming to your town soon" malarky. You want to meet up for some sort of tryst then organise it via e-mail.
HA HA Bluey Mantis will be in Melbourne in 9 days if anyone wants to take her on, good luck by the way.
Originally posted by evade28
is kenny coming too?
Nup he is going to a doggy hotel for 2 weeks thank god I couldn't handle having to look after him he's to bloody spoilt.
Originally posted by redback
HA HA Bluey Mantis will be in Melbourne in 9 days if anyone wants to take her on, good luck by the way.
Oh Bluey ur so fine... u blow my mind.... hey bluey!
hey bluey!
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too much testa...
testo....
Sorry that whole mickey ur so fine song stuck in my head then...
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Ooh. what a tough man. Looking after nukes no less. wow, I am scared.
Like I said sunshine....any time. lets see who's the wus.
Great. Are you going to bring your nukes
oh, and your walking stick?
You might feel a little lost without your weapons to hey. But i'm sure a tough military man like yourself will cope.
So where??
I thought you started your little whining post because you were against the fighting in iraq. People disagree with you so you want to travel interstate an start a brawl?
LOSER!
I still stick by my call that you're a hippy as well.
whinging little bastard
LOSER!
I still stick by my call that you're a hippy as well.
whinging little bastard
Originally posted by evade28
lol from what ive read that mantis has wrote that sounds about rite! lol let me guess if she had to pick between u and kenny ud be gettin the arse right!
I wouldn't have to take anytime deciding, Kenny is number one, Redback knows his position in our house.
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blah blah blah, blah blah blah
Thats right, because people disagree with me.
Of course, I don't expect morons like yourself to have the ability to follow a thread.
I was accused of being a whimp, hiding behind my keyboard.
So, now i'm not hiding. Would you like a piece too. Or are you being a 'wus, hiding behind your keyboard'. lol
Ooh, i'm so offended.
Yep, I'm a hippy. Proud of it.
Have ya filled in your dole form yet??
No go crawl back under that rock you came out from.
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Call it dumb-founded patriotism, but I feel proud that even though only a small number of our troops are in Iraq, they are doing a hell of a job.
When people challenge the war with their cries of : How many babies have you killed today? My response is: How many babies have been killed under the Hussein regime? And i don't mean during the Kurdish War, I mean everyday families like the people who oppose the war on this site and around the world disappearing because their relatives have been vocal against Saddam.
I feel ashamed and surprised that there are still regimes like that in the World, and I will support any means necessary to help the people of these regimes gain freedom and equality.
This freedom includes the freedom of speech, a right that many people seem to take for granted. When I see people inciting violence through these 'peace' protests I am astounded. Isn't it enough that these people have the rights and opportunity to stage a protest enough? Why do they feel they have to abuse this right?
The images and sound files of Iraqis seemingly not wanting the Coalition Forces to 'save' them has added fuel to the anti-war debate, but who knows what propaganda Hussein is feeding his people about these westerners? When one has lived under an oppressive regime for as long as the Iraiq people, of course outsiders will be seen as threats (they don't seem to mind the aid that the US is handing them).
These are my individual views on a controversial and emotional subject. Although violent (it is a war) and costly, I believe it is necessary to show the people of Iraq the values and freedom that we hold so dearly (yet people still seem to want to abuse )
Many people will probably call my views the result of political democratic propaganda (our way is better than their way), and maybe it is, but that still does not change my incredible pride in my country and its attitude and action towards and against oppressive regimes.
If you read this post and would like to comment on it, I ask only for constructive comments, NOT a flame war with me, as I am writing my personal opinion and do not favour insults.
When people challenge the war with their cries of : How many babies have you killed today? My response is: How many babies have been killed under the Hussein regime? And i don't mean during the Kurdish War, I mean everyday families like the people who oppose the war on this site and around the world disappearing because their relatives have been vocal against Saddam.
I feel ashamed and surprised that there are still regimes like that in the World, and I will support any means necessary to help the people of these regimes gain freedom and equality.
This freedom includes the freedom of speech, a right that many people seem to take for granted. When I see people inciting violence through these 'peace' protests I am astounded. Isn't it enough that these people have the rights and opportunity to stage a protest enough? Why do they feel they have to abuse this right?
The images and sound files of Iraqis seemingly not wanting the Coalition Forces to 'save' them has added fuel to the anti-war debate, but who knows what propaganda Hussein is feeding his people about these westerners? When one has lived under an oppressive regime for as long as the Iraiq people, of course outsiders will be seen as threats (they don't seem to mind the aid that the US is handing them).
These are my individual views on a controversial and emotional subject. Although violent (it is a war) and costly, I believe it is necessary to show the people of Iraq the values and freedom that we hold so dearly (yet people still seem to want to abuse
)Many people will probably call my views the result of political democratic propaganda (our way is better than their way), and maybe it is, but that still does not change my incredible pride in my country and its attitude and action towards and against oppressive regimes.
If you read this post and would like to comment on it, I ask only for constructive comments, NOT a flame war with me, as I am writing my personal opinion and do not favour insults.
