Should 4WD purchases be taxed at a higher rate?

[Steven Jones]

What do you think?

 

[telsor]

Leave the 4WD bit out of it...

Make registration costs vary according to average petrol consumption.

The alternative ( increasing petrol taxes further ) doesn't work as well, because it punishes those who use their vehicles more and (probably ) have more need for a bigger vehicle. Putting it on rego would target those who have a big car but don't use it much ( ie. short, suburban trips ).

 

[evo]

Leave the 4WD bit out of it...

Make registration costs vary according to average petrol consumption.

Agree.They already do that to some extent don't they-Rego is charged according to engine capacity?

The alternative ( increasing petrol taxes further ) doesn't work as well, because it punishes those who use their vehicles more and (probably ) have more need for a bigger vehicle. Putting it on rego would target those who have a big car but don't use it much ( ie. short, suburban trips ).

Petrol taxes work well too.It's a user (polluter) pays,which is fair enough.

Seems to me do both.

 

[Herbs]

No, many 4wds, especially models with diesel engines, are actually quite efficient on fuel, better than your average 2wd family car. Also there's a quite large nuffy driver population that drive 2wd cars, why should these people be treated higher than someone with a fourby? Forget the vision argument, should we ban trucks too? Careful commonsense driving by all parties is paramount to road safety.

 

[Andre]

The large ones already would attract luxury tax on purchasing.

The easy solution is to make 4WD owners having to hold a special license, which requires them to have completed a 4WD course. There by cutting out the bulk of the (mostly women) people using them to do the shopping and drop the kids off at school, as they can barely reverse the things, let alone be able to pass a course going bush bashing.

 

[CoggaRules]

The large ones already would attract luxury tax on purchasing.

The easy solution is to make 4WD owners having to hold a special license, which requires them to have completed a 4WD course. There by cutting out the bulk of the (mostly women) people using them to do the shopping and drop the kids off at school, as they can barely reverse the things, let alone be able to pass a course going bush bashing.

yes to easy...so what is the solution to the car companies laying off the workers because they dont need as many 4wds built dude?
Dont forget you have the consumer society monster to contend with and right now that monster wants 4wds and the boys are rolling them off the lines for them.

 

[MSR273]

Guys, I am interested on your views on this issue.

I think there are several reasons why 4WD purchases in the metropolitan areas should be taxed at a higher rate:

1. These vehicles use more petrol (hence "environmental" impact);
2. These heavy vehicles have more of an impact on the road infrastructure;
3. In the event of a crash these vehicles (whilst protecting the occupants of the 4WD) are statistically more likely to result in serious injury to the driver of the other car;
4. These vehicles seem to be getting taller and wider each year. The impact on this is that when you driving directly behind a 4WD your vision of the road is totally obscured - this is very dangerous.
5. Owners of 4WD increasingly drive with the attitude that they are in a "tank" and hence can do what ever they want on the road.
6. Inner city owners of 4WD almost always have "tickets on themselves". The taxation proposal would be a great way of rattling their cage.

What do you think? I would be open to an exception where an owner was using the vehicle in rural areas (more than once a year for the annual trip down to margaret river). But I think there is a real problem with the growing number of gass guzzling 4WD on the road in inner city areas. These vehicles are more likely to kill or seriously injure pedestrians in the event of a crash compared to smaller vehicles. 4WD are also far more likely seriously injure the occupants of a smaller vehicle in the event of a crash. With the increasing number of 4WD's on the road in the city it is basically getting to the point where you need to own a 4WD yourself inorder to stay safe from these morons.

What do you think?

There are lots of small 4wds on the roads GJ.

 

[Mr Q]

They should be banned unless there's a business reason for owning them. For people who actually go out 4WDing, they should only be available on rental.

99% of 4WD traffic is totally unnecessary - and they're dangerous on the road to everyone else around them.

 

[Andre]

yes to easy...so what is the solution to the car companies laying off the workers because they dont need as many 4wds built dude?
Dont forget you have the consumer society monster to contend with and right now that monster wants 4wds and the boys are rolling them off the lines for them.

People are still going to drive. Either they'll learn to drive them properly (Which is a large part of the reason lots of others hate 4WD owners) or they'll buy a smaller car (which still needs to be built).

 

[Jafa]

They should be banned unless there's a business reason for owning them. For people who actually go out 4WDing, they should only be available on rental.

99% of 4WD traffic is totally unnecessary - and they're dangerous on the road to everyone else around them.

I assume you`re refering to Metro use. We`d be buggered without them in the country.

 

[Richo83]

I assume you`re refering to Metro use. We`d be buggered without them in the country.

Yes, but most 4WD owners are city folk. The kind of people who moan about the state of the environment and the whales yet drive a toorak tractor which causes unnecessary strain to our environment and traffic. Oh, if only the world was gone of yuppies.

 

[Borry]

They should be banned unless there's a business reason for owning them. For people who actually go out 4WDing, they should only be available on rental.

99% of 4WD traffic is totally unnecessary - and they're dangerous on the road to everyone else around them.

Agree.

 

[Mr Q]

I assume you`re refering to Metro use. We`d be buggered without them in the country.

Depends on what you'd use them for. If you're driving along run of the mill roads where any car can go, then no, you'd not be excluded. If you need to drive in to places only 4WDs can reach, then sure, that's a viable justification for them.

"I want something big I can drive on the highway" is not. Most country people have no more need for 4WDs than city people do.

 

[Bender571]

No, many 4wds, especially models with diesel engines, are actually quite efficient on fuel, better than your average 2wd family car. Also there's a quite large nuffy driver population that drive 2wd cars, why should these people be treated higher than someone with a fourby? Forget the vision argument, should we ban trucks too? Careful commonsense driving by all parties is paramount to road safety.

Trucks are necessary for transportation of goods. What can a 4WD do that a car can't (in the city).

Also what is your response to the fact that 4WD's are more likely to kill when involved in accidents.

 

[Herbs]

Trucks are necessary for transportation of goods. What can a 4WD do that a car can't (in the city).

Also what is your response to the fact that 4WD's are more likely to kill when involved in accidents.

We shouldn't be legislating who can and can't own a 4wd, it should be left to the individual. I also suppose a large car would be more likely to injure someone than a small car, where does it end?

 

[JoondalupJ]

Guys, I am interested on your views on this issue.

I think there are several reasons why 4WD purchases in the metropolitan areas should be taxed at a higher rate:

1. These vehicles use more petrol (hence "environmental" impact);
2. These heavy vehicles have more of an impact on the road infrastructure;
3. In the event of a crash these vehicles (whilst protecting the occupants of the 4WD) are statistically more likely to result in serious injury to the driver of the other car;
4. These vehicles seem to be getting taller and wider each year. The impact on this is that when you driving directly behind a 4WD your vision of the road is totally obscured - this is very dangerous.
5. Owners of 4WD increasingly drive with the attitude that they are in a "tank" and hence can do what ever they want on the road.
6. Inner city owners of 4WD almost always have "tickets on themselves". The taxation proposal would be a great way of rattling their cage.

What do you think? I would be open to an exception where an owner was using the vehicle in rural areas (more than once a year for the annual trip down to margaret river). But I think there is a real problem with the growing number of gass guzzling 4WD on the road in inner city areas. These vehicles are more likely to kill or seriously injure pedestrians in the event of a crash compared to smaller vehicles. 4WD are also far more likely seriously injure the occupants of a smaller vehicle in the event of a crash. With the increasing number of 4WD's on the road in the city it is basically getting to the point where you need to own a 4WD yourself inorder to stay safe from these morons.

What do you think?

I hate them in the city .Women think they're all nice and safe in them ,men who use them and never go off road suffer from small penis syndrome.Tax the damn things off the bituman!

 

[JoondalupJ]

I hate them in the city .Women think they're all nice and safe in them ,men who use them and never go off road suffer from small penis syndrome.Tax the damn things off the bituman!

P.S. They are mongrel things to see around, in carparks,many people who drive them, can't drive well, and do think they are up higher and better than all the peasants in cars.
They are the absolute example of American bullshit.

 

[Chief]

they're dangerous on the road to everyone else around them.

No they aren't.

 

[Lance Uppercut]

Guys, I am interested on your views on this issue.

I think there are several reasons why 4WD purchases in the metropolitan areas should be taxed at a higher rate:

1. These vehicles use more petrol (hence "environmental" impact);
2. These heavy vehicles have more of an impact on the road infrastructure;
3. In the event of a crash these vehicles (whilst protecting the occupants of the 4WD) are statistically more likely to result in serious injury to the driver of the other car;
4. These vehicles seem to be getting taller and wider each year. The impact on this is that when you driving directly behind a 4WD your vision of the road is totally obscured - this is very dangerous.
5. Owners of 4WD increasingly drive with the attitude that they are in a "tank" and hence can do what ever they want on the road.
6. Inner city owners of 4WD almost always have "tickets on themselves". The taxation proposal would be a great way of rattling their cage.

What do you think? I would be open to an exception where an owner was using the vehicle in rural areas (more than once a year for the annual trip down to margaret river). But I think there is a real problem with the growing number of gass guzzling 4WD on the road in inner city areas. These vehicles are more likely to kill or seriously injure pedestrians in the event of a crash compared to smaller vehicles. 4WD are also far more likely seriously injure the occupants of a smaller vehicle in the event of a crash. With the increasing number of 4WD's on the road in the city it is basically getting to the point where you need to own a 4WD yourself inorder to stay safe from these morons.

What do you think?

actually, in essence, I completely agree with you.

I never thought I'd say that! I feel very, very weird right now

 

[shiva25]

P.S. They are mongrel things to see around, in carparks,many people who drive them, can't drive well, and do think they are up higher and better than all the peasants in cars.
They are the absolute example of American bullshit.

Spot on.One only has to wonder down to the local shops and watch people trying to park these monstrous things.Most people who own them dont know how to drive them which becomes very dangerous to all other road users

 

[Maddhew]

P.S. They are mongrel things to see around, in carparks,many people who drive them, can't drive well, and do think they are up higher and better than all the peasants in cars.
They are the absolute example of American bullshit.

There are very few American 4x4's on the market (jeep mainly) you will find the majority are japanese. But good on ya for sneaking in a "trying to be americans".

 

[Dry Rot]

actually, in essence, I completely agree with you.

I never thought I'd say that! I feel very, very weird right now

Same here - amazing, GJ actually started a sensible thread.

 

[Jafa]

Yes, but most 4WD owners are city folk. The kind of people who moan about the state of the environment and the whales yet drive a toorak tractor which causes unnecessary strain to our environment and traffic. Oh, if only the world was gone of yuppies.

Hmm - come up to the Goldfields region sometime. Hilux wipes the floor.

 

[SolidTiger]

I go as far as to say that people should have a special licence drive 4WD's. When going for thier drivers licence they should do the practical part in a 4WD in order to legally drive one.

I hate 4WD's ever since one backed right into my car at the shopping center. It started reversing so he can get a swing to turn into a vacant spot ( I was sitting behind approx 6 meters away.) and ran right into me. When the driver came out of the 4WD he said he didn't see me.

Because of the 4WD mass it is different driving one then compared to a car and hence why there should be a special licence to drive one.

 

[raskolnikov]

No, many 4wds, especially models with diesel engines, are actually quite efficient on fuel, better than your average 2wd family car.

Exactly. I have a Ford Escape. I find it just as economical as the Ford Focus hatch I had before it.