Should Kernahan Stay As President?/Contact The Club If You Are Unhappy

[sherb]

I rarely start threads here and I know this is already being covered in other threads, however I wanted to discuss one thing and suggest another.

1. Topic For Discussion
Should Kernahan stay as president? Can the culture of the club change whilst he is president? He is old school Carlton and I don't think he has what it takes to turn things around (if indeed he thinks there is a serious problem).

I have serious doubts about him as president and think it is time for him to move on.

Ratten I am still in two minds about.

2. Suggestion
I don't know about others, but I have had enough of this crap. I don't want to see my club's name dragged through the mud by irresponsible idiots who don't realize the privilege they are enjoying by playing for Carlton.

So I will be writing to the club in the next week or so letting them know what I think. I would suggest that others who feel the same way also let the club know, whether by phone, email or letter.

The members need to let the club know that things need to change.

 

[celtic_pride]

I agree, he was a great champion for the club and has given the club great service for over 20 years but the fish rots at the top ...

It would be a nice idea to make this thread a poll actually ...

TBH I'd love Mike Fitzpatrick to return to the club as president, a total class act and very successful businessman off the field as well (I just get the feeling though he is going to replace VLAD as CEO of the AFL)

 

[The New Blue]

I do think we need a significant change from the top. Nothing has changed since Fev left.

They couldn't fix Fev so how do we expect them to fix the entire playing group.

Tough measures have to be put in place to change our Brand back to a respectable club.

We are Laughing stock. It will take years to fix his.... we are a rabble.

 

[The Coach]

As TG pointed out elsewhere Swanny runs the club. He will sort it out

I think both Juddy and Ratts leadership qualities fall into the 'by example' category but we could do with a vocal leader. I am not sure about him but I would not be surprised if that is not one of the attributes that Riley brings to the coaching panel. Ideally the coach can give a good fire and brimstone but if it comes from his senior advisor it could suffice. There has been several coaching situations where the coach has a hatchet man who tells it how it is.

 

[The Coach]

I do think we need a significant change from the top. Nothing has changed since Fev left.

They couldn't fix Fev so how do we expect them to fix the entire playing group.

Tough measures have to be put in place to change our Brand back to a respectable club.

We are Laughing stock. It will take years to fix his.... we are a rabble.

Don't become a pessimist NB - with so much young blood at the club ready for moulding, it could be fixed very quickly

 

[HBF]

I had my doubts over Sticks as a President, but for purely different reasons. As much of a lad he was, I don't ever recall him getting into any trouble off field. I know is the popular Stand by your Man rendition after the '87 flag, but other than that, he kept his nose clean. As did Craig Bradley, who barely even had a beer. At the end of the day, it comes down to the players themselves, and if they can't behave themselves out in public, then they need to be sanctioned for their actions.

I would have thought a much more appropriate Xmas party would have been at a players house, where the players can have a drink in private, and do what they like there.

 

[blueboy25]

As TG pointed out elsewhere Swanny runs the club. He will sort it out

I think both Juddy and Ratts leadership qualities fall into the 'by example' category but we could do with a vocal leader. I am not sure about him but I would not be surprised if that is not one of the attributes that Riley brings to the coaching panel. Ideally the coach can give a good fire and brimstone but if it comes from his senior advisor it could suffice. There has been several coaching situations where the coach has a hatchet man who tells it how it is.

I will hold my judgement on Sticks until I see the outcome of Jan 4th.

I agree Judd is a 'by example' type leader but who in the club would be the 'Jonothan Brown" type' who would yell and scream at his teammates. I can't think of anyone?

 

[Kramer1]

Great...more half baked suggestions.

Im not glossing over this weeks occurences, but in any large organisation, especially a professional sporting organisation, these issues are going to come up. The mark of a man is how he deals with the issues he is confronted with. I would love to hear what Sticks has to say to the playing group on resumption of pre-season training, but I dearly hope I don't. Our issues should not be fodder for the media...the only people who need to know the severity of the repurcussions are those in the firing line.

Sticks was prepared to support what must have been an extremely difficult decision to move Fev on. You might say why did he get so many chances, but ley's not forget that our recently departed saviour was seemingly one of Fev's greatest backers.

He has played a role in settling the most dysfunctional board in the competition. He has played a role in settling what was the most dysfunctional and poorly resourced footballing department in the competition. He was a catalyst in Dick assuming the presidency and setting us on the path to financial security. He was also the man willing to step into the breach when Dick's position became untenable.

It's far fom all his doing, but Sticks has been at or near the helm throughout the period that Carlton stopped the embarrasing freefall, and started the long, slow fight back to prominence.

In terms of his contribution on and off the field, he is without equal in the history of the Carlton Football Club.

I sincerely hope people are judging him fairly...it would be abhorrent to think Carlton supporters are forming opinion on the Big Footy consensus that he is 'old school' Carlton and a twenty year old youtube clip. If the key indicators (on-field success, football department resources, financial security, board cohesion, membership) suggest we are not tracking well, then by all means lets see if their is a man more qualified for the role. If not I think threads like this should die a quick and painless death at the hands of a fairminded moderator.

 

[jj1978]

Firstly a bit of an over-reaction here...

The only way to truly stop this behaviour is to have a list of 40 men that have a brain. Now lets be realistic here, about 50% of each clubs list comprises of men with not much of a clue about certain things.

The club has attempted numerous things to try to influence these certain individuals.

1. Get rid of Fev - seen as the No1. problem child in the club.
2. Provide alcohol/drug education to the players.
3. Told them to behave or else!
4. Cloke, Eddie, Garlett miss a training session... get suspended for a week.

The club is taking steps... and thought they were going in the right direction... and now a speed bump has come along that they didn't foresee for they thought things were heading in the right direction... but now they know things have gone off the rails a bit they'll re-align the ship with other measures.

Plus I bet the other clubs have had players doing stupid things the last few days.. unfortunately our players have done theirs in to much of a public arena, but fortunately it is out and should assist in forcing us to make our group a more professional unit.

 

[incog43]

As TG pointed out elsewhere Swanny runs the club. He will sort it out

I think both Juddy and Ratts leadership qualities fall into the 'by example' category but we could do with a vocal leader. I am not sure about him but I would not be surprised if that is not one of the attributes that Riley brings to the coaching panel. Ideally the coach can give a good fire and brimstone but if it comes from his senior advisor it could suffice. There has been several coaching situations where the coach has a hatchet man who tells it how it is.

When exactly do you think he will sort this out? Cloke, Betts, Garlet during the season, Hoops during the season, Fevola and the brownlow, the boat trip, Betts again, Hoops again, Walker for somthing different, drinking games for our new rookies, treat the boat staff like shite..

I sometimes think there is tooooo much Carlton at Carlton, sometimes you need some outside perspective, Sticks, Ratts have already got jobs to do without having to hold the hands of a few players who cant control themselves.

Youngest list in the comp or pretty close to it, exactly WTF is going on at this club?

 

[TOPBLUE_25]

I thought he was a fill in president anyway. Though he might have been replaced by the begining of next season originally anyway.

do I have this wrong or was he not just a stop gap?

 

[as0l0]

Houlihan, Walker and Betts should all be sacked.

 

[juddsentant517]

Just out of curiosity, do these guys have psychologists.
Maybe an idea is for the club to have a full time psychologist at the club, in which whenever a big outing is planned, such as a cruise with free drinks or the brownlow, the players have to go by the psychologist.

I dunno, i guess that's just another half baked idea

 

[The Coach]

When exactly do you think he will sort this out? Cloke, Betts, Garlet during the season, Hoops during the season, Fevola and the brownlow, the boat trip, Betts again, Hoops again, Walker for somthing different, drinking games for our new rookies, treat the boat staff like shite..

I sometimes think there is tooooo much Carlton at Carlton, sometimes you need some outside perspective, Sticks, Ratts have already got jobs to do without having to hold the hands of a few players who cant control themselves.

Youngest list in the comp or pretty close to it, exactly WTF is going on at this club?

Sometime soonish

PS Swann is from Collingwood and having such a young list will assist remoulding

 

[true blue19]

****en idiots

 

[Monkey King]

Firstly a bit of an over-reaction here...

Plus I bet the other clubs have had players doing stupid things the last few days.. unfortunately our players have done theirs in to much of a public arena,

I bet they have. Once the trouble started to surface at Carlton though, the reporters would have been right on the trail, hunting any indiscretion that would support the infamous boat cruise picture they're trying to portray.

The whole thing is overblown undoubtedly, but as another poster has asked; why would the club not act when knowing the guys were having a piss up in the middle of a police crack down on drunken and violent behaviour?

As harmless as it all this seems, I do want to see an end to the party boy culture at the Blues. Right now I want to see the boys doing everything they can to re-build our great club; and let's face it, improving onfield results alone won't cut it at the minute.

 

[ctacp]

all this "fix the culture" of the club. this is an australian culture issue. how many xmas end of year work parties were just had & people got themselves absolutely wasted ? we have a binge drinking issue which is getting worse, & is happening amongst younger & younger people consistently. We have booze fueled trips to bali & to england, we are now the worst international travellers because of this attitude of getting blind at every opportunity.
We are looked down upon if we dont drink or drink enough in others eyes, to be part of the group you have to drink heavily. its very hard to feel ok with saying no to that peer pressure.
this isnt just a football issue, is a national issue.

ctacp
curlier than a catoggio pube

 

[Sin City]

I will hold my judgement on Sticks until I see the outcome of Jan 4th.

Exactly

 

[AlecDuncan]

I agree, he was a great champion for the club and has given the club great service for over 20 years but the fish rots at the top ...

Speaking of rot. The greatest trump card you can have in these parts is for CP to agree with your opponent.

Hmm, I've only had this avatar for five minutes and already I'm itching to <graphic violence deleted> CP's <sensitive areas deleted>.

Sticks isn't the issue. Idiots who don't get the message are. At least there was nothing criminal in their behaviour, and hallway carpets remain shit-free.

It'll get to the point where clubs insist on choosing exactly when, where, and how players will be drinking during their careers. It'll be behind closed doors, far away from the public and media, and they won't be allowed to leave until they're sober and showered.

 

[40yearBLUE]

Yes he should, for 2 reasons. The correct time to call a spill is at the AGM by a rival ticket. I dont believe in fan based revolts, thats what they do at punt road and it has not served them too well. A special GM can be called (with as little as 100 members signatures if memory serves me about our constitution) but this only ever ends in bitter division and is not good for the club, so I do not, will not ever agree to that. He is elected to serve his entire term, let him do so with our full support. If you are not happy about his presidency, at the appropriate time look for an alternative to run against him and endorse them. If no alternative can be found then he gets re elected unopposed as the best available man for the job. That is the correct way to do things.

The other reason is that he has not yet had a chance to finish what he has started (and sacking Fev showed he has started). The fact we still have a problem does not mean that the correct train of events have not been put in place, it just means that the job is not finished with yet. Let him continue. He faces his stiffest test, that much is true but he may surprise many of the doubters and pull this one out.

If and only if, he fails then we should consider the op to be valid. It is not yet. I am not happy and will be contacting the club. I have been a paid up member for 37 years (member since 1972) and I will be contacting them to voice my disappointment in the current situation but also to let them know that if they are contemplating drastic action, I for one am 1 member that backs them to do that.

In other words I will be contacting them to show my support. When a club is in trouble, it is then that support is most needed.

 

[Aphrodite]

I will hold my judgement on Sticks until I see the outcome of Jan 4th.

I agree Judd is a 'by example' type leader but who in the club would be the 'Jonothan Brown" type' who would yell and scream at his teammates. I can't think of anyone?

I can see Sticks breaking out in a rendition of "Stand by your Man" .........

 

[All Australian]

I like it just the way it is. These blokes aren't robots and they are doing nothing more then what I did at that age. Although i wore boxers which would have been a relief for all involved. To say that they are dragging the Carlton name through the mud is a bit much. This is a club culture that alot of people can relate to. As long as there are no criminal proceedings and it happens in the off season I couldn't care less what our boys do. There not robots!

 

[Aphrodite]

Speaking of rot. The greatest trump card you can have in these parts is for CP to agree with your opponent.

Hmm, I've only had this avatar for five minutes and already I'm itching to <graphic violence deleted> CP's <sensitive areas deleted>.

Sticks isn't the issue. Idiots who don't get the message are. At least there was nothing criminal in their behaviour, and hallway carpets remain shit-free.

It'll get to the point where clubs insist on choosing exactly when, where, and how players will be drinking during their careers. It'll be behind closed doors, far away from the public and media, and they won't be allowed to leave until they're sober and showered.

For a second there, I thought you were the "New Improved" Thy AD

 

[Sin City]

I agree, he was a great champion for the club and has given the club great service for over 20 years but the fish rots at the top ...

At the top of what?

Last I knew fish lay horizontal. Got any more wise phrases?

 

[True Bluebagger]

I for one don't believe any short term good would come out of Sticks standing down as Pres.

However if I was him I wouldn't be waiting until Jan. 4th to deliver a blast to the playing group. I would be recalling the playing group NOW and lay the law about what behaviour is expected of the playing group in publilc.

I would be drawing a line in the sand from now, and regardless of a clean sheet or repeat miscreant, any subsequent offender would be sacked on the spot from now on.

True our champ. teams of the 70's and 80's played up more, but the present day prying media has created a whole different scene of exposure and public accountability, which the present playing group is obviously failing to realise.

Unfortunately the defence that other clubs' players do it, is not good enough, especially if there is some realistic chance that the club could lose a significant sponsorship deal because of these public indescretions.