Analysis Should we be pursuing a secondary market post-Hobart? If yes, then where?

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gokangas said:
You can say nothing in many ways but at least acknowledge what is happening. By the time the club does speak it is all old news. Just my thoughts.
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Nothing has happened.

When it is finalized something has happened.

Then we can say what that something is.

We aren't beholden to journos guessing what we are attempting to do, whether their leaks are credible or not. Fact is the story isn't actually anything until it is finalized and reported by the club.

Becuase those that are guessing now will absolutely write proper stories about it again when its confirmed. Nothing is lost.
 
Sillygit said:
Nothing has happened.

When it is finalized something has happened.

Then we can say what that something is.

We aren't beholden to journos guessing what we are attempting to do, whether their leaks are credible or not. Fact is the story isn't actually anything until it is finalized and reported by the club.

Because those that are guessing now will absolutely write proper stories about it again when its confirmed. Nothing is lost.
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Fair call but I suspect it is all decided.
 
Like almost every thread, there are clearly the posters that either work for the club or are so closely related to members of the board /administration they feel the need to defend every move the club makes. Similarly, there are those that are just negative no matter the outcome and what the club try’s to do.
Simply it’s obvious that for 2025 they will reduce the Tasmania games to 2 and play 2 in WA. There is no world where a professional organisation will charge people for 7 home games and then ship 2 off to another state after having taken your money. Hopefully in the coming years the 2 WA games replace the 4 Tasmania games, and we get 9 games back in Melbourne. Worst case its 4 in WA. Thems the breaks when you support the smallest supporter team in Vic. If we ever win a flag again it will be the hard way that’s for sure.
 

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Ball Dont Lie said:
Like almost every thread, there are clearly the posters that either work for the club or are so closely related to members of the board /administration they feel the need to defend every move the club makes. Similarly, there are those that are just negative no matter the outcome and what the club try’s to do.
Simply it’s obvious that for 2025 they will reduce the Tasmania games to 2 and play 2 in WA. There is no world where a professional organisation will charge people for 7 home games and then ship 2 off to another state after having taken your money. Hopefully in the coming years the 2 WA games replace the 4 Tasmania games, and we get 9 games back in Melbourne. Worst case its 4 in WA. Thems the breaks when you support the smallest supporter team in Vic. If we ever win a flag again it will be the hard way that’s for sure.
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I don't see we have any choice. WA option will fill the gap nicely.
 
Whack from Ralph.

Analysis: Why North’s big move out west will be hard to stomach for Alastair Clarkson​

Fair play to the Kangaroos for trying to secure a $2 million windfall each year by playing home games in Perth, but it’s hard to see how it will help them climb the ladder, writes Jon Ralph.
Jon Ralph
@RalphyHeraldSun

4 min read
October 31, 2024 - 2:56PM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../87904494b2276c1e4b555eb31b16edb5#share-tools


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Fremantle didn’t quite end up covered in s--- after their last visit to Tasmania but they weren’t far short after that horrific cross-country trip.
The Dockers lost to Hawthorn by 13 points then were forced into a disastrous flight home as a plane malfunction saw cabin crew scooping human excrement from toilets as some passengers had to urinate directly into basins.
For a Dockers side already forced into a marathon flight across the country, it summed up their hatred of playing any games in Tasmania.
Fremantle have a 2-12 record in Launceston and lost their only clash in Hobart (to St Kilda).
Consider Justin Longmuir’s mood this week when he learned the club’s only clash against the Roos for the next three years is likely to be played in his own backyard.
Then consider the demeanour of Alastair Clarkson, who will spend the last three seasons of his five-year Roos deal wondering what the hell he is doing playing home games across the other side of the country.
The Roos will be a fixture in WA for years to come. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

The Roos will be a fixture in WA for years to come. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
As revealed by the Herald Sun, the Roos are set to sell two home games a year to West Australia to play back-to-back weeks at Optus Stadium and Bunbury as they ease their way out of their Tasmania deal.
The Roos have been painted into a corner but how did the AFL think this was the only solution in an era of equalisation, forcing Victoria’s worst side into a deal that looks an on-field disaster?
The Roos need the cash ($2 million a year) and the AFL would like to lessen the WA teams’ travel burden.

But surely the better option for the Roos was to spend the final three years trying to find neutral venues to replace that cash before Tasmania enters the league in 2028.
The only upside is this – it will replace some of the roughly $3.5 million the Roos receive to play four games in Tasmania with Spirit of Tasmania branding, in a contract that expires next year.
The Roos will continue to play seven home games in Melbourne and ideally will bring one or two of those games back to Victoria from 2026 onwards because of the financial scope of this deal.
Ideally selling a game to a Victorian regional venue – similar to the Western Bulldogs deal in Ballarat – would have worked but the state government was broke and didn’t have a dollar to spare to throw at the Roos.
And yet if it makes sense financially, selling a game to any other stadium other than the one where the ‘away’ team already plays 12 home games a year would have been preferable.
How does Clarkson pitch the move to Luke Davies-Uniacke, open to signing a free agency contract extension but suddenly spending an extra fortnight in Perth every season and with finals further than ever away?
It’s a big win for [PLAYERCARD]Justin Longmuir[/PLAYERCARD]’s Fremantle. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

It’s a big win for Justin Longmuir’s Fremantle. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Or George Wardlaw, who like his great buddy Harry Sheezel some chance to sign a mega-extension past 2026 but not prepared to do so until he sees signs the Roos are getting their act together?
Or the free agent they will try to sign next year, with even more cap space with Jaidyn Stephenson’s retirement and contracts to Aidan Corr and Callum Coleman-Jones also expire?
Clarkson has been kept up to date on the move and football boss Todd Viney has visited the Bunbury site, aware this move will allow the club to pay a full salary cap and soft cap in years to come.
But only months ago he made clear a side that hadn’t climbed out of the bottom two in the past five years needed to get a wriggle on.
The fans are pragmatic enough to know this club needs radical moves to survive.
But say what you want about the Roos playing well at Optus Stadium (they have won four of nine games there), it is preposterous to suggest they have a better chance of winning against Fremantle or West Coast in WA than playing in Melbourne, Tasmania or even a neutral venue.
St Kilda abandoned its Cairns home games last year after its 2022 season turned on its head after a loss to Port Adelaide in wet slippery conditions, with a previously 5-1 St Kilda outfit losing its way and missing finals.
The club’s year-end review recommended the club “sharpen our focus on football” and minimise distractions, which saw the club having “decided not to sell a home game in 2023”.
Richmond’s three games in Cairns were similarly disastrous, featuring a nine-point win over a bunch of Gold Coast babies, that infamous loss with Karmichael Hunt’s matchwinner and then another loss to the Suns the next year.
Can the Roos afford the move on the field? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Can the Roos afford the move on the field? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images
The Roos will play a Dockers side that should be stacked in those next three years, and a West Coast side it will simply have to beat if it wants to make a finals charge.
The two sides have played their last seven games with the margin either way not more than 15 points.
And while the Roos have beaten the Eagles twice at Perth Stadium in that time … well everyone beat the Eagles at Perth Stadium and they should be vastly improved from here on in.
So while the Roos keep their financial bottom line out of the red, and the AFL gets a solution to the travel burden for WA clubs, this time it is Clarkson who is getting the proverbial shizen sandwich.
 
Sillygit said:
Ok well yea if it is finalized then that is different, but thats not whats being stated so far by those in the know.
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I know what you mean but I believe it is decided.
 
gokangas said:
Whack from Ralph.

Analysis: Why North’s big move out west will be hard to stomach for Alastair Clarkson​

Fair play to the Kangaroos for trying to secure a $2 million windfall each year by playing home games in Perth, but it’s hard to see how it will help them climb the ladder, writes Jon Ralph.
Jon Ralph
@RalphyHeraldSun

4 min read
October 31, 2024 - 2:56PM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../87904494b2276c1e4b555eb31b16edb5#share-tools


AFL​


Fremantle didn’t quite end up covered in s--- after their last visit to Tasmania but they weren’t far short after that horrific cross-country trip.
The Dockers lost to Hawthorn by 13 points then were forced into a disastrous flight home as a plane malfunction saw cabin crew scooping human excrement from toilets as some passengers had to urinate directly into basins.
For a Dockers side already forced into a marathon flight across the country, it summed up their hatred of playing any games in Tasmania.
Fremantle have a 2-12 record in Launceston and lost their only clash in Hobart (to St Kilda).
Consider Justin Longmuir’s mood this week when he learned the club’s only clash against the Roos for the next three years is likely to be played in his own backyard.
Then consider the demeanour of Alastair Clarkson, who will spend the last three seasons of his five-year Roos deal wondering what the hell he is doing playing home games across the other side of the country.
The Roos will be a fixture in WA for years to come. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

The Roos will be a fixture in WA for years to come. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
As revealed by the Herald Sun, the Roos are set to sell two home games a year to West Australia to play back-to-back weeks at Optus Stadium and Bunbury as they ease their way out of their Tasmania deal.
The Roos have been painted into a corner but how did the AFL think this was the only solution in an era of equalisation, forcing Victoria’s worst side into a deal that looks an on-field disaster?
The Roos need the cash ($2 million a year) and the AFL would like to lessen the WA teams’ travel burden.

But surely the better option for the Roos was to spend the final three years trying to find neutral venues to replace that cash before Tasmania enters the league in 2028.
The only upside is this – it will replace some of the roughly $3.5 million the Roos receive to play four games in Tasmania with Spirit of Tasmania branding, in a contract that expires next year.
The Roos will continue to play seven home games in Melbourne and ideally will bring one or two of those games back to Victoria from 2026 onwards because of the financial scope of this deal.
Ideally selling a game to a Victorian regional venue – similar to the Western Bulldogs deal in Ballarat – would have worked but the state government was broke and didn’t have a dollar to spare to throw at the Roos.
And yet if it makes sense financially, selling a game to any other stadium other than the one where the ‘away’ team already plays 12 home games a year would have been preferable.
How does Clarkson pitch the move to Luke Davies-Uniacke, open to signing a free agency contract extension but suddenly spending an extra fortnight in Perth every season and with finals further than ever away?
It’s a big win for Justin Longmuir’s Fremantle. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

It’s a big win for Justin Longmuir’s Fremantle. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Or George Wardlaw, who like his great buddy Harry Sheezel some chance to sign a mega-extension past 2026 but not prepared to do so until he sees signs the Roos are getting their act together?
Or the free agent they will try to sign next year, with even more cap space with Jaidyn Stephenson’s retirement and contracts to Aidan Corr and Callum Coleman-Jones also expire?
Clarkson has been kept up to date on the move and football boss Todd Viney has visited the Bunbury site, aware this move will allow the club to pay a full salary cap and soft cap in years to come.
But only months ago he made clear a side that hadn’t climbed out of the bottom two in the past five years needed to get a wriggle on.
The fans are pragmatic enough to know this club needs radical moves to survive.
But say what you want about the Roos playing well at Optus Stadium (they have won four of nine games there), it is preposterous to suggest they have a better chance of winning against Fremantle or West Coast in WA than playing in Melbourne, Tasmania or even a neutral venue.
St Kilda abandoned its Cairns home games last year after its 2022 season turned on its head after a loss to Port Adelaide in wet slippery conditions, with a previously 5-1 St Kilda outfit losing its way and missing finals.
The club’s year-end review recommended the club “sharpen our focus on football” and minimise distractions, which saw the club having “decided not to sell a home game in 2023”.
Richmond’s three games in Cairns were similarly disastrous, featuring a nine-point win over a bunch of Gold Coast babies, that infamous loss with Karmichael Hunt’s matchwinner and then another loss to the Suns the next year.
Can the Roos afford the move on the field? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Can the Roos afford the move on the field? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images
The Roos will play a Dockers side that should be stacked in those next three years, and a West Coast side it will simply have to beat if it wants to make a finals charge.
The two sides have played their last seven games with the margin either way not more than 15 points.
And while the Roos have beaten the Eagles twice at Perth Stadium in that time … well everyone beat the Eagles at Perth Stadium and they should be vastly improved from here on in.
So while the Roos keep their financial bottom line out of the red, and the AFL gets a solution to the travel burden for WA clubs, this time it is Clarkson who is getting the proverbial shizen sandwich.
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So ralph uses freos record against a different team to infer that we would be better off playing in tasmania, dismisses that we have been successful at Optus, and tries his best to link this all to wardlaw re-signing.


Thats some grade a chicken little bait right there.
 
Ball Dont Lie said:
Like almost every thread, there are clearly the posters that either work for the club or are so closely related to members of the board /administration they feel the need to defend every move the club makes. Similarly, there are those that are just negative no matter the outcome and what the club try’s to do.
Simply it’s obvious that for 2025 they will reduce the Tasmania games to 2 and play 2 in WA. There is no world where a professional organisation will charge people for 7 home games and then ship 2 off to another state after having taken your money. Hopefully in the coming years the 2 WA games replace the 4 Tasmania games, and we get 9 games back in Melbourne. Worst case its 4 in WA. Thems the breaks when you support the smallest supporter team in Vic. If we ever win a flag again it will be the hard way that’s for sure.
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There is a world where they charge for 4 and ship off 2 to another state
 
My view is, like it or not North have to look at different ways to get in revenue I am not a fan of selling games, unfortunately we are not one of the power clubs.

If the group are to get better we must win games were ever we play that is what good teams do, if a player makes a decision to leave because this ( which I think is bullshit ) then there’s not a lot we can do about it.

I am looking forward to watching the club win all 7 games at home and some interstate.
 
CURVE said:
Ever get the feeling that our club has become "the Canary in the Coalmine" for the AFL.

They use us to test the waters in locations like Canberra, Gold Coast and Hobart and now WA. If it works, they try to permanently locate us there or expand the league into that market.

I feel this may mean that a 3rd WA team is potentially just around the corner, and they will either ask/force us to relocate or the team becomes the leagues 20th team.
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Given the AFL is effectively a bunch of private school old boys who cannot be trusted under any circumstances, I think that's absolutely the case. Our future on the drip is secure as long as we're happy being a crash test dummy.

Maneuvering off the tarmac is likely close to impossible but we have to find away. We need to find a secondary market that is commercially robust but will never attract it's own team, nor provide the AFL with a fallback option for when they screw something else up that has nothing to do with ourselves. Not the simplest brief I've seen.
 
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Archer_11 said:
Given the AFL is effectively a bunch of private school old boys who cannot be trusted under any circumstances, I think that's absolutely the case. Our future on the drip is secure as long as we're happy being a crash test dummy.

Maneuvering off the tarmac is likely close to impossible but we have to find away. We need a find a secondary market that is commercially robust but will never attract it's own team, nor provide the AFL with a fallback option for when they screw something else up that has nothing to do with ourselves. Not the simplest brief I've seen.
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And something not so attractive that they give it to one of their love children after we identify it.
 
winalotroos said:
My view is, like it or not North have to look at different ways to get in revenue I am not a fan of selling games,
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The issue is that this causes a vicious cycle where the ability to generate future fans, and therefore financial success, is harmed by the fact that this is an obvious on-field disadvantage. If one logic can follow the other in a circular manner, you never get yourself out of it and be able to get on equal footing with other clubs in a league that is theoretically meant to be equal by design (why else have a draft and a salary cap and no relegation, after all).

Melbourne missed finals in 2017 on percentage by the exact same home ground advantage lost by selling a game off to Alice Springs. One of the teams that beat them on percentage to qualify for finals that year, West Coast, won the flag the following year, and it is possible they only won the flag because of the experienced gained by making finals the year before. This success by West Coast allowed them to gather even more fans and extend the difference in finances size to the Norths and Melbournes of the world even more, which allows them to do things like buy home games, which then will make it far more likely they win the flag (relative to North) over the next two years, which then creates that same vicious cycle.

I agree there's not much North can do if the other options is to be kicked out of the league due to not having enough money. But it's hardly fair, isn't it, and I don't see the financial arguments of equalisation being that different to the sporting arguments of equalisation (the existance of a draft, salary cap and priority picks, after all). Such financial equalisation should exist in the competition up to the point that teams aren't selling off on-field home ground advantage to this extreme extent to balance the books.
 
Reckon we are well ahead of Eagles in the rebuild stakes, shouldn't be worried about playing them too much anytime soon, of course, rub of the green umpiring must never be ignored.
 
winalotroos said:
My view is, like it or not North have to look at different ways to get in revenue I am not a fan of selling games, unfortunately we are not one of the power clubs.

If the group are to get better we must win games were ever we play that is what good teams do, if a player makes a decision to leave because this ( which I think is bullshit ) then there’s not a lot we can do about it.

I am looking forward to watching the club win all 7 games at home and some interstate.
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how about a Friday night home game at the MCG against Collingwood.
 
Ball Dont Lie said:
Like almost every thread, there are clearly the posters that either work for the club or are so closely related to members of the board /administration they feel the need to defend every move the club makes. Similarly, there are those that are just negative no matter the outcome and what the club try’s to do.
Simply it’s obvious that for 2025 they will reduce the Tasmania games to 2 and play 2 in WA. There is no world where a professional organisation will charge people for 7 home games and then ship 2 off to another state after having taken your money. Hopefully in the coming years the 2 WA games replace the 4 Tasmania games, and we get 9 games back in Melbourne. Worst case its 4 in WA. Thems the breaks when you support the smallest supporter team in Vic. If we ever win a flag again it will be the hard way that’s for sure.
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Fascinating. :stern look
 
Mcarcherey said:
lol getting 5,000 members buying 4 game memberships isn't going to make a difference, along with the mostly empty tassie stadium.

if they ditched that idea and went with something more sustainable there might've been some short term pain, but by now we'd be seeing the beneifts.
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I don't think you fully appreciate the debt problem that we faced or the accomplishments of JB, Euge and a few others to wipe out that debt. We really didn't have the option of going further into debt.
 
gokangas said:
You can say nothing in many ways but at least acknowledge what is happening. By the time the club does speak it is all old news. Just my thoughts.
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To be honest though, you would have to appreciate that a nothing statement like that would be ripped to shreds by a few people on here who seem to enjoy nothing more than ripping statements from the club to shreds.
 
gokangas said:
Whack from Ralph.

Analysis: Why North’s big move out west will be hard to stomach for Alastair Clarkson​

Fair play to the Kangaroos for trying to secure a $2 million windfall each year by playing home games in Perth, but it’s hard to see how it will help them climb the ladder, writes Jon Ralph.
Jon Ralph
@RalphyHeraldSun

4 min read
October 31, 2024 - 2:56PM
https://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/.../87904494b2276c1e4b555eb31b16edb5#share-tools


AFL​


Fremantle didn’t quite end up covered in s--- after their last visit to Tasmania but they weren’t far short after that horrific cross-country trip.
The Dockers lost to Hawthorn by 13 points then were forced into a disastrous flight home as a plane malfunction saw cabin crew scooping human excrement from toilets as some passengers had to urinate directly into basins.
For a Dockers side already forced into a marathon flight across the country, it summed up their hatred of playing any games in Tasmania.
Fremantle have a 2-12 record in Launceston and lost their only clash in Hobart (to St Kilda).
Consider Justin Longmuir’s mood this week when he learned the club’s only clash against the Roos for the next three years is likely to be played in his own backyard.
Then consider the demeanour of Alastair Clarkson, who will spend the last three seasons of his five-year Roos deal wondering what the hell he is doing playing home games across the other side of the country.
The Roos will be a fixture in WA for years to come. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images

The Roos will be a fixture in WA for years to come. Picture: Paul Kane/Getty Images
As revealed by the Herald Sun, the Roos are set to sell two home games a year to West Australia to play back-to-back weeks at Optus Stadium and Bunbury as they ease their way out of their Tasmania deal.
The Roos have been painted into a corner but how did the AFL think this was the only solution in an era of equalisation, forcing Victoria’s worst side into a deal that looks an on-field disaster?
The Roos need the cash ($2 million a year) and the AFL would like to lessen the WA teams’ travel burden.

But surely the better option for the Roos was to spend the final three years trying to find neutral venues to replace that cash before Tasmania enters the league in 2028.
The only upside is this – it will replace some of the roughly $3.5 million the Roos receive to play four games in Tasmania with Spirit of Tasmania branding, in a contract that expires next year.
The Roos will continue to play seven home games in Melbourne and ideally will bring one or two of those games back to Victoria from 2026 onwards because of the financial scope of this deal.
Ideally selling a game to a Victorian regional venue – similar to the Western Bulldogs deal in Ballarat – would have worked but the state government was broke and didn’t have a dollar to spare to throw at the Roos.
And yet if it makes sense financially, selling a game to any other stadium other than the one where the ‘away’ team already plays 12 home games a year would have been preferable.
How does Clarkson pitch the move to Luke Davies-Uniacke, open to signing a free agency contract extension but suddenly spending an extra fortnight in Perth every season and with finals further than ever away?
It’s a big win for Justin Longmuir’s Fremantle. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images

It’s a big win for Justin Longmuir’s Fremantle. Picture: Daniel Carson/AFL Photos via Getty Images
Or George Wardlaw, who like his great buddy Harry Sheezel some chance to sign a mega-extension past 2026 but not prepared to do so until he sees signs the Roos are getting their act together?
Or the free agent they will try to sign next year, with even more cap space with Jaidyn Stephenson’s retirement and contracts to Aidan Corr and Callum Coleman-Jones also expire?
Clarkson has been kept up to date on the move and football boss Todd Viney has visited the Bunbury site, aware this move will allow the club to pay a full salary cap and soft cap in years to come.
But only months ago he made clear a side that hadn’t climbed out of the bottom two in the past five years needed to get a wriggle on.
The fans are pragmatic enough to know this club needs radical moves to survive.
But say what you want about the Roos playing well at Optus Stadium (they have won four of nine games there), it is preposterous to suggest they have a better chance of winning against Fremantle or West Coast in WA than playing in Melbourne, Tasmania or even a neutral venue.
St Kilda abandoned its Cairns home games last year after its 2022 season turned on its head after a loss to Port Adelaide in wet slippery conditions, with a previously 5-1 St Kilda outfit losing its way and missing finals.
The club’s year-end review recommended the club “sharpen our focus on football” and minimise distractions, which saw the club having “decided not to sell a home game in 2023”.
Richmond’s three games in Cairns were similarly disastrous, featuring a nine-point win over a bunch of Gold Coast babies, that infamous loss with Karmichael Hunt’s matchwinner and then another loss to the Suns the next year.
Can the Roos afford the move on the field? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images

Can the Roos afford the move on the field? Picture: Dylan Burns/AFL Photos via Getty Images
The Roos will play a Dockers side that should be stacked in those next three years, and a West Coast side it will simply have to beat if it wants to make a finals charge.
The two sides have played their last seven games with the margin either way not more than 15 points.
And while the Roos have beaten the Eagles twice at Perth Stadium in that time … well everyone beat the Eagles at Perth Stadium and they should be vastly improved from here on in.
So while the Roos keep their financial bottom line out of the red, and the AFL gets a solution to the travel burden for WA clubs, this time it is Clarkson who is getting the proverbial shizen sandwich.
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John Ralph now writing articles about what Clarko probably thinks. Maybe thinks. Allegedly thinks. Fvcked if I know what he thinks but I've got a deadline and Clarko isn't answering.
 
When I look at the fixture I tend to look at interstate travel as a collective, with Perth/Darwin trips the worst and Sydney/Tassie the softest.

Basically, if this results in us travelling less (ie no extra WA or NT trips) then I’m ok with it.

Devil will be in the details and I’ll hold off any rage until then.

Hopefully we’re negotiating no away trip to Geelong as part of this!
 
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