Analysis Should we be pursuing a secondary market post-Hobart? If yes, then where?

[Colby Cheer Squad]

Its hard.
You need 75% of the vote on the day to win and this is deliberately done to ensure any member initiated vote is hard to get across the line.

Similar to relocation too.
If the club ever decided to want to move away from Arden St, than that would also require 75% of the majority vote.

Similar to anyone who wants to be nominated to represent the club on its board.
There is a vetting process that the club has put in place where by they get to vote on who is allowed to be nominated. This was apparently done so that the average joe doesn't waste the clubs time with an underqualified candidate request. Think back to that * group who tried to reinstate Sheedy during Knights failed tenure.

I get all that, but for a member run club there isn't much sway the members have, if at all.

#SUABAM

I'm not exactly sure how it works but I don't believe they vote on who is allowed to be nominated. It's more that a designated sub-committee audits the bonafides of all prospective nominees to weed out any that might be considered inappropriate to be on the board of a professional football club. For example, someone who has filed for bankruptcy or someone who has spent time in jail, I imagine, would not make it through the vetting process.

 

[Heaps of fun]

One million a game seems fine not great when you consider the increased cost of everything since the Tassie deal was last ironed out. A million wouldn't go nearly as far as it did five years ago.

 

[CBSlogger]

Any plan which doesn't ultimately aim to get back to 11 home games in Vic is for the tip.

As long as we bind our survival to these short term govt. funded sugar hits, we'll never escape the AFLs teat.

Either the docklands stadium deal is amended to have some semblance of parity for all tenants, or lock in venue hopping and a dispirited Victorian supporter base in perpetuity.

Notwithstanding 5+ years of our record breaking awfulness, any hope of escaping this vortex must revolve around a sustainable plan of 11 vic games per year, by capitalising on the most promising list we've had in 30 years.

If in the next decade, with this list, the club can't achieve that then I'm afraid it's gone forever, and we'll remain in the vortex until we're no longer.

 

[Woolly Mammoth]

Thank you for your question and here is my honest response:

NO!!!!! I was passionate since 1973. I had loved the club but in the end it came down to money and a betrayal of my trust. Perhaps the trust of many, because many have had my recent experience but choose to just suck it up.

The club membership department betrayed my trust and integrity when they on-sold my personal financial details to a second party without my consent. THEY!!!! Have done that continuously for at least the last three years without apology or verification. The Club denied all obligation, choosing to blame it on Ticketmaster. WELL IT'S LIKE THIS .... I gave my personal information and financial details to the club's Membership department (Not Ticketmaster) over the phone, and I certainly NEVER gave the club authorisation to auto-renew my annual membership. This was all done over the phone, not online. So, THEY (The club's "MEMBERSHIP DEPARTMENT") chose to forward my personal financial details to Ticketmaster. Now as it turns out, Ticketmaster have an agreement which was NEVER - EVER - DISCLOSED to me (By the club's membership department) or to you that they get provided our personal security details to credit card companies to extend our updated card CVN and updated expiry dates from our credit cards.

ARE YOU NOW GETTING THE PICTURE????????

Do you now damn well see what the Hell I am on about? You ought to be as angry at this point as I am.

The Club and Ticketmaster are blatantly abusing your personal privacy. They hide behind the fact that they are a multi-billion dollar business. That still doesn't allow them to abuse your privacy or banking details under any circumstances. Do you, or anybody else reading this post understand now? YOUR PRIVACY and MINE is ATM for sale to credit card companies. The club membership department are being a willing accomplice to this. Any questions?

I am not making this up.

That is the point of my complaint. And any person among you who thinks that I am a crackpot or an idiot for lodging a complaint about this breach of personal security to either the ACCC, the Banking Ombudsman or the AFL better damn well think again. How could the AFL and any club think that taking a member's updated or changed banking information (The security details (CVN and expiry date)) from their credit card, without at least a courtesy phone call for personal verification of the card holder (without consent) think for a moment is acceptable?

If any among you think that such behaviour is acceptable, then be my guest. Feel free if you are that way inclined to offer over up your personal PIN numbers for all of your bank accounts to the next Nigerian Prince, or maybe to Big W who are offering you free Tupperware, or even to Bunnings who are offering your free vouchers in your next round of spam emails.

Is anybody among you reading this message laughing now???? You have all received those emails. So think about it before you try to respond to this post or EVER try to question my motives again. Where do you think that these spammers get their information from? Think about it folks.

I gave 51 years of support and loyalty to the North Melbourne Club, and yes now I'm over it, and angry as F***. Yes, I am over the Club and the bullshit tens of $1000s that I have given to it without question over my working life. They have done their dash now because they abused my personal trust. Trust takes many years to build, and only takes a few seconds to destroy. Can I be clearer? The NMFC and AFL have destroyed my trust and can not morally ever support them ever again. They attempted to take money from me without my consent. That is the bottom line. They are still doing it even to many who are reading this post. It is wrong. Make no mistake, in the old days we used to call that "Robbery". How can I ever trust this club, the AFL or Ticketmaster ever again?

I cannot give you a more honest response to your question than that my friend.

Now! That all said and done, many of you are asking ... "So if you are not a NM supporter then why are your responding to this thread?" The answer to that is dead simple. This came up flagged on my "Watched Threads" icon. Look at the top of your screens and there is a little eyeball icon that flags messages. The next step for me is to cancel my "Bigfooty" membership/association because there is no facility within the app or group to change club affiliations. So yes as long as I remain on Bigfooty they identify me as a NMFC supporter. I've had enough, and yes that is my next step. Just cancel my membership to even this organisation and write it off as one of life's big mistakes ... Like 51 year marriage Yes, like a divorce it sometimes takes some people 51 years to realise that they hitched their wagons to the wrong horse.

So you are still on Bigfooty, i.e following another club?

Absolute bollocks, just another sook looking for any old excuse to jump off the ship when we are at our lowest ebb, we deadset have some of the most p*ssweak supporters in organised sports.

 

[Dan]

Is it possible that the club is merely waiting for the women's team to finish its season first?

Everything has been going smoothly (touch wood) they don't want any distractions by making this offical?

 

[Spud11]

So you are still on Bigfooty, i.e following another club?

Absolute bollocks, just another sook looking for any old excuse to jump off the ship when we are at our lowest ebb, we deadset have some of the most p*ssweak supporters in organised sports.

“Organised sport?” AFL?

If by “organised” you mean “formatted and makes sense”, nah. It’s really not.
If however you mean “organised” as in… fixtures that are lopsided, rules that are manipulated and results that are dubious to such an extent that even Hansie Cronje would have questioned them. Then yes. It really is.

 

[LB2Snake]

What’s the point of developing a secondary market when you drop it like a hot turd as soon as something else comes along?

I’m all for reducing the number of games being sold and if this results in it being 2 then great, but if I were a Tassie member I would switch to the Devils as soon as games are being played.

Canberra, Sydney, Gold Coast, Ballarat, there’s a pattern of us investing in and then ditching the secondary markets. The members we make look great initially but I would guess they mostly drop off once the club loses interest. We keep making the same mistake.

It’s an old cliche but we’ve gotta turn up to games in Melbourne. We get Marvel rocking and we don’t have these issues. But it can be pretty quiet there some days

 

[shintemaster]

It’s an old cliche but we’ve gotta turn up to games in Melbourne. We get Marvel rocking and we don’t have these issues. But it can be pretty quiet there some days

We have one of the highest membership / supporter ratio's in the league. People do turn up. We need more supporters and at some point the club need to face up to the reality that they need to actually support the supporters.

 

[Colby Cheer Squad]

We have one of the highest membership / supporter ratio's in the league. People do turn up. We need more supporters and at some point the club need to face up to the reality that they need to actually support the supporters.

One of the highest membership : supporter ratios isn't the same as membership : game day attendance ratio.

 

[Spud11]

The travelling Kangaroos

 

[shintemaster]

One of the highest membership : supporter ratios isn't the same as membership : game day attendance ratio.

Agree, but the point remains. We stack well statistically for supporters attending games as a proportion of members. We don't have enough and we get butchered in the fixture every year - the Hobart games make this even easier for the AFL to cook us on.