Should we be renamed the Fremantle - Walyalup Dockers?

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So if a broad section of the indigenous community (which is hard to achieve btw - bloody hard) asked for it, you would be for changing the name?
I would be a lot more accepting of it, but my personal preference is still what we have currently. In a similar vein my personal preference was to remain in Freo but I’m accepting of the move to Cockburn.
 

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Tbh they should hit the alliteration while they can during indigenous round, just call them the Walyalup Wharfies.

Wharfies is a better name than Dockers anyway.

Edit/ Genuinely people that say the term ‘woke’ 9/10 out of ten can’t even explain what the hell they even mean. Ask them to explain their view and they can’t or won’t. So yeah I’ll roll my eyes at those people, coz it’s a massive red flag they not only were never going to listen, but that they’re going to be an outright argumentative twaddle irrespective of what you say. So it’s with great irony people that say ‘woke’ also call people snowflakes when they exhibit the very same behaviours they critique.

The actual thread, I prefer it stays as Fremantle - it’s actually the only real recognisable place of historical importance to WA that’s not mining… so the name itself isn’t something so frivolous to throw away. But! To those here who have said respect history…. clearly Freo do not do this. (See colours, logo, home ground, being in Fremantle, the club song, deliberate change of the shade of purple).

It’s good how it is now, and I’m proud of the club for doing it the way it currently is done. Have also finally got it down pat to say the name properly without phonetically tripping over myself.
 
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Is "wokeness" something you can specifically define? It's not just a catch all for any new ideas that irritate you for some hard to pin down reasons is it?
depends who defines it or uses it. as best i can tell.

left wing usage:
wokeness: to be aware to racial and social injustice

right wing usage:
wokeness: to view the world through an identity-based lens. with a preference towards interpreting the world through critical theory or something similar.

for example a right wing person claiming that movie was so woke. meaning it revolved around or involved identities and its ideological framework is something similar to critical theory.

I personally think part of the reason why people can't communicate about the subject is because we are interpreting the information differently. for example a left wing person will claim critical theory is simply describing reality and a right wing person will claim critical theory is an ideological theory to cast people in the role of good (minorities) and bad (white people)...etc
 
No one but a Pom ever called a Freo wharfie a docker.

We really should have been called the Fremantle Shitfish. That would have sorted a few things out right from the off.

I come from Irish stock and know both sides of the colonial coin. The vestigial prejudice I have against the Poms for ****ing over “my people” allows me to do a little more than just sympathise with blackfellas. But this time around I am a beneficiary of imperial colonisation. I see the need to right wrongs but I also see why some folk bridle at the perceived overturning of their own past and history.

There were 400 years of wrongs to be righted when they effected peace in Norn Iron.

The Gaelic movement - reinvigorating an oppressed tongue and culture through concerted and initially quite “forced” imposition of what could have been lost - had many Irish detractors. Probably still does. But it has lasted and grown in strength. And few can deny its legitimacy and worth.

The deracination of blackfella culture happened more swiftly and completely. There’s more to be recovered and the forced nature of its revival can seem at odds with the daily experience of urban/contemporary blackfellas, generations away from speaking their languages, trapped in circles of poverty.

It may take “woke” anthropologists to recover some languages but that’s just a measure of how ****ed over the blackfellas were, not of how fake the recovery is.

Just by the bye, we have more placenames of indigenous origin than the eastern states because we had fewer white fellas. If you wanted to know where something was, you had to ask a blackfella.

We should do more of that.
not to stereotype, but is that why you have such a way with words.

 
depends who defines it or uses it. as best i can tell.

left wing usage:
wokeness: to be aware to racial and social injustice

right wing usage:
wokeness: to view the world through an identity-based lens. with a preference towards interpreting the world through critical theory or something similar.

for example a right wing person claiming that movie was so woke. meaning it revolved around or involved identities and its ideological framework is something similar to critical theory.

I personally think part of the reason why people can't communicate about the subject is because we are interpreting the information differently. for example a left wing person will claim critical theory is simply describing reality and a right wing person will claim critical theory is an ideological theory to cast people in the role of good (minorities) and bad (white people)...etc
Love this well said mate.
 

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depends who defines it or uses it. as best i can tell.

left wing usage:
wokeness: to be aware to racial and social injustice

right wing usage:
wokeness: to view the world through an identity-based lens. with a preference towards interpreting the world through critical theory or something similar.

for example a right wing person claiming that movie was so woke. meaning it revolved around or involved identities and its ideological framework is something similar to critical theory.

I personally think part of the reason why people can't communicate about the subject is because we are interpreting the information differently. for example a left wing person will claim critical theory is simply describing reality and a right wing person will claim critical theory is an ideological theory to cast people in the role of good (minorities) and bad (white people)...etc
As I understand it the original usage of being woke was...

“Up till this point my views have been defined by my education and culture. Because I’ve been brought up in this I’ve been completely comfortable with the way they’ve defined my worldview, but made it difficult understanding any views outside of this. However, I’m more open to take a broader view and tried to understand perspectives that are shaped by factors quite different from the ones I’ve experienced. Having been awaked to a more empathic way of understanding and see the benefits from questioning the prevailing view and incorporating the experiences of others going forward.”

So really just been more open minded and considerate.

Questioning prevailing views and looking to change provokes difficult emotional responses for a lot of people.

Those invested in the status quo and/or with a conservative outlook can and have easily use this difficult emotional response by using “woke” as a catch-all for anything questioning the status quo or promoting change.

As with most labels, it's become automatic in bypassing considered thinking and instead mainlining straight into emotional impulses.
 
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As I understand it the original usage of being woke was...

“Up till this point my views have been defined by my education and culture. Because I’ve been brought up in this I’ve been completely comfortable with the way they’ve defined my worldview, but made it difficult understanding any views outside of this. However, I’m more open to take a broader view and tried to understand perspectives that are shaped by factors quite different from the ones I’ve experienced. Having been awaked to a more empathic way of understanding and see the benefits from questioning the prevailing view and incorporating the experiences of others going forward.”

So really just been more open minded and considerate.

Questioning prevailing views and looking to change provokes difficult emotional responses for a lot of people.

Those invested in the status quo and/or with a conservative outlook can and have easily use this difficult emotional response by using “woke” as a catch-all for anything questioning the status quo or promoting change.

As with most labels, it's become automatic in bypassing considered thinking and instead mainlining straight into emotional impulses.
nah thats the 2000s left wing version of the word. The original 1970s one connected to the civil rights movement is definitely being awake to racial and social injustice.

but, don't think you interpreted what I was saying at all.

labeling something as woke does not equal what and why they label something as woke. it literally has 2 different meanings, connotations and interpretations based upon your perspective. Nor, is it used solely as a reaction to change. its almost like its a separate intellectual tradition.
 
My ancestors were transported to Fremantle and I have close to 200 years of ties to the area. I have no interest in 'Walyalup', had not heard of it until 5 years ago, and this would be true of 95% of people.
So if you only recently learn of something that is true but was not previously known, it means it's not worth it?
 
I love that we're the leader in the AFL for embracing indigenous culture. I'm a bit sad that Melbourne was the first club to use the cultural name!

I think embracing the Walyalup name permanently would be fantastic, what a great idea - what a display of leadership to everyone. We wouldnt be taking anything away, simply strengthening our club and being more inclusive.
 
It's literally called the Fremantle wharf.

Even 'wharfie' is tenuous. I have family who actually worked on there. they were always referred to as 'working on the wharf' or 'working at the ports.'
Ah those famous Fremantle docks...

Hate to burst your bubble - though that might be a tad disingenous, but the Ship Painters and Dockers Award was (maybe still is) a thing way before the club started.

"“Ship Painters’ and Dockers’” Award No. 29 of 1960"
"This award shall operate –(1) Within the ports of Fremantle and Perth and within the Fishing Boat Harbour, Fremantle."

 
after a bit of thought i like our current set up. we have significant indigenous history, yes but i think fremantle football club is born out of the cultural milieu of football in fremantle most notably the south fremantle football club and the east fremantle football club. many peoples contributed to this. italians, anglos, greeks, indigenous people..etc. thus fremantle football club i think is best representative of who we all are.

however, i love that we are walyalup for 2 rounds. its a nod to a segment who heavily contributed to football in fremantle and afl as a whole. i disagree with anyone who says its tokenist. i think its more like saying cheers.

therefore i like out current set up.
 
after a bit of thought i like our current set up. we have significant indigenous history, yes but i think fremantle football club is born out of the cultural milieu of football in fremantle most notably the south fremantle football club and the east fremantle football club. many peoples contributed to this. italians, anglos, greeks, indigenous people..etc. thus fremantle football club i think is best representative of who we all are.

however, i love that we are walyalup for 2 rounds. its a nod to a segment who heavily contributed to football in fremantle and afl as a whole. i disagree with anyone who says its tokenist. i think its more like saying cheers.

therefore i like out current set up.
yeah, I like this sentiment
 

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