Siege in Martin Place, Sydney

[Catastic82]

It's a disgrace that the media haven't been giving any attention to the atrocities in Pakistan.

Just dumbfounded by that

 

[skilts]

I presume ASIO will be up on their hind legs braying about how this illustrates the need for their metadata requests to be legislated as a matter of urgency.
This brainfry has stuck out like mutts nuts for a coupla decades but was too sharp for ASIO to realise he was cracked,violent and had gottashotty.
This is the mob who've got a building second only to Parliament House in cost(Chinese have likely already got the plans)whose budget has expanded 6x in the past decade and whose staff has trebled.
Increase their powers,budget and build them a proper clubhouse bar.

I have an idea! Some might recall the Martin Bryant case. At Port Arthur, they eventually discovered the real culprit - the cafe. So, they pulled it down. Seems logical. When will Whelan the Wrecker be moving into Martin Place? They could quote on a job lot, and do over Channel 7 while they're at it. Their only problem with that building would be finding anything of value to salvage.

 

[Jars458]

http://www.couriermail.com.au/news/...ey-hostage-drama/story-fnn8dlfs-1227159972055

Is there a worse calibre of politician in Canberra than George Christensen? Called #illridewithyou a "lefty campaign".

A more hatefilled bigoted man you would struggle to find in high office I'd say (other than Corey Bernardi ofcourse). Every time Christensen opens his mouth he dribbles just complete bile and filth.

I just don't get this. The movement was one based solely on compassion. How can Geroge, and Chris Kenny, who said it sprung form "left wing self-loathing" honestly thinks this is anymore than a buch of Aussies, trying to do a good thing. Nonone involved in this cares any less for the victims than Geroge and Chris do, in fact probably more, as they seem to be solely concerned with making policitial points out of a horrific sitaution.

 

[madmug]

I have an idea! Some might recall the Martin Bryant case. At Port Arthur, they eventually discovered the real culprit - the cafe. So, they pulled it down. Seems logical. When will Whelan the Wrecker be moving into Martin Place? They could quote on a job lot, and do over Channel 7 while they're at it. Their only problem with that building would be finding anything of value to salvage.

Pull down the chocolate shop? Noooooooooooooooooo! oh the humanity

 

[Nikita Blue]

I just don't get this. The movement was one based solely on compassion. How can Geroge, and Chris Kenny, who said it sprung form "left wing self-loathing" honestly thinks this is anymore than a buch of Aussies, trying to do a good thing. Nonone involved in this cares any less for the victims than Geroge and Chris do, in fact probably more, as they seem to be solely concerned with making policitial points out of a horrific sitaution.

Yes its mystifying that the line being run is that if you expressed support for this somehow you don't care about the hostages. And if the media reported on it then they were ignoring the plight of the hostages.

 

[MC Extra Dollop]

Yes its mystifying that the line being run is that if you expressed support for this somehow you don't care about the hostages. And if the media reported on it then they were ignoring the plight of the hostages.

They don't seem to understand that many people are actually able to consider multiple separate, but related, issues simultaneously. A bit worrying, since that's essentially what politics is all about.

 

[JeffDunne]

I don't think it's mystifying at all.

People with extreme political views see the world through the prism of their politics & will use any opportunity to justify their beliefs. Some are so beholden to their politics that the more extreme the event, the more satisfaction they can derive from it.

Personally I reckon it's a symptom of underlying mental illness. Yet these are the people that tend to dictate public debate. Is it any wonder we lack any sort of leadership in our elected officials if these are the people framing the debate?

The only issue that should be being debated after this event is the performance of government agencies with the responsibility to stop this sort of event. They have been given extraordinary powers and funding by successive governments for over a decade yet they failed dismally in this case.

Using this event to debate immigration, welfare, gun rights, etc is disgustingly opportunistic.

It's a sad reflection on this country that the people that do it repeatedly aren't universally condemned.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

I don't think it's mystifying at all.

People with extreme political views see the world through the prism of their politics & will use any opportunity to justify their beliefs. Some are so beholden to their politics that the more extreme the event, the more satisfaction they can derive from it.

Personally I reckon it's a symptom of underlying mental illness. Yet these are the people that tend to dictate public debate. Is it any wonder we lack any sort of leadership in our elected officials if these are the people framing the debate?

The only issue that should be being debated after this event is the performance of government agencies with the responsibility to stop this sort of event. They have been given extraordinary powers and funding by successive governments for over a decade yet they failed dismally in this case.

Using this event to debate immigration, welfare, gun rights, etc is disgustingly opportunistic.

It's a sad reflection on this country that the people that do it repeatedly aren't universally condemned.

This sounds most likely to me. In all of his dealings with authorities, why has this bloke not received a psychiatric assessment?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

I have an idea! Some might recall the Martin Bryant case. At Port Arthur, they eventually discovered the real culprit - the cafe. So, they pulled it down. Seems logical. When will Whelan the Wrecker be moving into Martin Place? They could quote on a job lot, and do over Channel 7 while they're at it. Their only problem with that building would be finding anything of value to salvage.

Demolish Brekky Central? But where would all the half-asleep zombies and worker drones go for their infotainment fix in between coffee enemas just before they hit the grindstone for the day? Karl Stefanovic's smug levels are far too high for that time of morning, and that quare hipster on ch 10 just irks too many folk. The ABC requires some thought, and SBS don't do mornings too well.

And Kochie would have to go live in Adelaide, where that club who made him President lives. Would that be fair on Kochie?

 

[Lester Burnham]

I just don't get this. The movement was one based solely on compassion.

Wrong. It was based mainly on public displays of self-indulgent sentimentality. Twits repeating a hashtag as though it 'made a difference', when it was really about people feeling good about themselves by taking the moral high ground on an imaginary problem. You can excuse Bandt and Brand backing it because they are trying to appeal to the naive and gullible but Shorten should be embarrassed.

 

[Jars458]

Wrong. It was based mainly on public displays of self-indulgent sentimentality. Twits repeating a hashtag as though it 'made a difference', when it was really about people feeling good about themselves by taking the moral high ground on an imaginary problem. You can excuse Bandt and Brand backing it because they are trying to appeal to the naive and gullible but Shorten should be embarrassed.

That just makes you cynical in my opinion.

 

[Mofra]

Wrong. It was based mainly on public displays of self-indulgent sentimentality. Twits repeating a hashtag as though it 'made a difference', when it was really about people feeling good about themselves by taking the moral high ground on an imaginary problem. You can excuse Bandt and Brand backing it because they are trying to appeal to the naive and gullible but Shorten should be embarrassed.

Really, you think Islam isn't demonized in this country?

A cursory glance at the posting of some of your right-wing contemporaries on this board strongly suggests otherwise.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Really, you think Islam isn't demonized in this country?

A cursory glance at the posting of some of your right-wing contemporaries on this board strongly suggests otherwise.

Islamist extremism is demonised, and rightly so.

The illridewithyou hashtag started while an Islamist extremist was still holding people hostage at gunpoint - and somehow all Muslims became the victims. It's nonsense.

 

[Mofra]

The illridewithyou hashtag started while an Islamist extremist was still holding people hostage at gunpoint - and somehow all Muslims became the victims. It's nonsense.

If you're going to rail against a gesture of goodwill, perhaps understanding it would be a good start.

Are you arguing that no muslim in Australia suffers from abuse based purely on their religion?

 

[Moo]

Islamist extremism is demonised, and rightly so.

The illridewithyou hashtag started while an Islamist extremist was still holding people hostage at gunpoint - and somehow all Muslims became the victims. It's nonsense.

How many Muslim extremists are riding public transport vs everyday Aussie Muslims riding public transport?

I'm willing to put my ball on the line and say it was aimed at the folks in option 2.

 

[Lester Burnham]

If you're going to rail against a gesture of goodwill, perhaps understanding it would be a good start.

Are you arguing that no muslim in Australia suffers from abuse based purely on their religion?

A cursory glance at the posting of some of your left-wing contemporaries on this board would suggest that Catholics are abused more.

#illwalktochurchwithyou

 

[Gough]

More us and them.

 

[Mofra]

A cursory glance at the posting of some of your left-wing contemporaries on this board would suggest that Catholics are abused more.

#illwalktochurchwithyou

Oh yes, that old conservative chestnut, "if you can't help everybody, help nobody". Been trotted out in various guises in the past few days.

I'd suggest the millions Tones' is handing out during a "budget emergency" to priests suggests that Catholics are doing ok. When was the last time a nun was abused for covering her head with a habit? Your Australian Defence league buddies don't seem to focus so much on non-muslims.

 

[Lester Burnham]

Oh yes, that old conservative chestnut, "if you can't help everybody, help nobody". Been trotted out in various guises in the past few days.

Except nobody was being 'helped'. It was an exercise in feel goodery. While twits were busy parroting a hashtag, the people who actually needed help still had gun pointed at them in a coffee shop.

 

[romeoh]

Islamist extremism is demonised, and rightly so.

The illridewithyou hashtag started while an Islamist extremist was still holding people hostage at gunpoint - and somehow all Muslims became the victims. It's nonsense.

There are plenty of people out there on the street who can't understand there is a difference between a nutjob extremist and the average muslim on the street. So a gesture of goodwill from people saying they could make that distinction was not a bad idea. You only have to read some of the posts on BF to see the lack of comprehension for some people. If newspapers like the Herald Sun had tried, over the years, to inform the public instead of perpetuating hysterical, ignorant rubbish, we might not have such an issue. Good on the public for taking steps when our leaders and our media aren't taking enough of a lead role in-education, awareness.
Why rail against something that is not only harmless, but probs helpful. Talk about cranky.

 

[clogged]

A cursory glance at the posting of some of your left-wing contemporaries on this board would suggest that Catholics are abused more.

#illwalktochurchwithyou

Arguments on the internet is not the same as verbal abuse and violent confrontation in the public sphere.

 

[romeoh]

Except nobody was being 'helped'. It was an exercise in feel goodery. While twits were busy parroting a hashtag, the people who actually needed help still had gun pointed at them in a coffee shop.

Ah well, what do you suggest the 'twits' should have been doing to help? Get down to the coffee shop and storm the building? Send money?
U can't be cereal.
Better an exercise in 'feeling good' than the sour cynicism?

 

[scon]

Except nobody was being 'helped'. It was an exercise in feel goodery. While twits were busy parroting a hashtag, the people who actually needed help still had gun pointed at them in a coffee shop.

If the hostage situation could have been hashtagged away,it would have been disappeared #quicksmart.

 

[Moo]

Except nobody was being 'helped'. It was an exercise in feel goodery. While twits were busy parroting a hashtag, the people who actually needed help still had gun pointed at them in a coffee shop.

If the net effect was it made some people feel good and was a reassuring symbolic gesture to the Muslim community.....how is this a bad thing.

You make it sound like a sniper missed a shot because he was texting #illridewithyou.

Is the real issue here that you're just shit at multi-tasking?

#quicksmart

 

[JeffDunne]

...and somehow all Muslims became the victims. It's nonsense.

Thanks you for providing us with a demonstration of the form of mental illness I was alluding to earlier.

You live in constant fear of a reality that doesn't exist.