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AFLW 2024 - Round 10 - Chat, game threads, injury lists, team lineups and more.
Sounds like the real scandal is West Australian timekeepers not blowing the siren quick enough then.Well done you circled a clock. Has nothing to do with the siren.
The TV time isn't the exact time the keepers us though is it?Sounds like the real scandal is West Australian timekeepers not blowing the siren quick enough then.
Is it as simple as saying if the ball crosses the line before the siren it's a free, but if it's after then it's not? I've seen that rule for out on the full, but this isn't an OOF call.
That can't be how the rule works in all cases though, as the ball is still live. Imagine someone kicking for goal before the siren, the siren goes and the ball is dribbling towards goal. Surely an attacker can't just tackle down a defender without the ball to stop him from getting to it and cutting it off. Likewise, remember Rampe climbing the goalpost after the siren, which should have been a free kick? So clearly the siren by itself doesn't prevent free kicks from being paid.
So if it’s ootf, it has to cross the boundary line before siren for it to be a free?
If that’s the case then the interpretation is correct imo but the call was probably wrong as it looked out before siren.
Actually, and bizarrely, it needs to land out of bounds. Rule 10.5:
END OF QUARTER
(a) The end of a quarter occurs when any field Umpire or emergency Umpire first hears the siren sounded by the Timekeepers to signal the end of a quarter. The field Umpire shall acknowledge the siren and bring play to an end by blowing a whistle and holding both arms above their head.
(b) For the avoidance of doubt, if immediately before hearing the siren to end a quarter, a field Umpire is of the opinion that a Player should be awarded a Free Kick or a Mark, the field Umpire shall signal that play has come to an end and then award the Free Kick or Mark to the Player. A Free Kick will not be awarded where the football has been kicked and, after the field Umpire has heard the siren, lands Out of Bounds On the Full.
Why it needs to land out of bounds is beyond me, as you point out the free is when it crosses the line. The ball can land in bounds and still have gone out of bounds between coming off the boot and landing.
But this is not an out of bounds call, it's an separate infringement by a player, that being insufficient intent. See example in my previous post - surely you can't coathanger a player after the siren, especially if the ball remains live. What's the difference here?
I was there and I couldn't hear a ******* thing! Don't the umpires have an earpiece that the siren is heard through?
You can't accurately judge the timing from TV coverage.
I agree that was poor.Was at the game and thought it would have been a travesty if Freo drew or won that game. Well played North.
Couldn't understand the review in the first quarter though. Looked to me the mark was juggled over the line. Both umpires said it was a mark, go back and take your kick. Kick a goal and get turned over on review? Thought they could only review whether itwas a goal or not, not the lead up play beforehand.
It's not within their remit, they only have the responsibility for the goal line.While I’m loathe to give the arc more responsibility surely they could have pretty easily checked if the ball had crossed the line before the siren?
I mean that’s not totally accurate. The remit is more about does it impact the scoreIt's not within their remit, they only have the responsibility for the goal line.
In addtion, there'd be no way they could measure the siren sound relative. There's no siren snicko
I get what you're saying, but nah.
The goal would have countedIs it as simple as saying if the ball crosses the line before the siren it's a free, but if it's after then it's not? I've seen that rule for out on the full, but this isn't an OOF call.
That can't be how the rule works in all cases though, as the ball is still live. Imagine someone kicking for goal before the siren, the siren goes and the ball is dribbling towards goal. Surely an attacker can't just tackle down a defender without the ball to stop him from getting to it and cutting it off. Likewise, remember Rampe climbing the goalpost after the siren, which should have been a free kick? So clearly the siren by itself doesn't prevent free kicks from being paid.
.. in the act of scoring, not 55m from goal?I mean that’s not totally accurate. The remit is more about does it impact the score
Arc has been used to check if the ball was touched well away from the goal line in the past
I will say though it does open a can of worms where it gets used for everything which I definitely don’t want