Skippos's 2015 Draft Resource

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Skippos said:
I really like both. Perhaps Redman more.

I haven't reviewed the metro game yet. I'm actually intending to do that tonight, so I don't remember too much aside from being super impressed with Redman.

My initial thoughts on Haysman: High character individual, future leader. Good on both sides of the body. Very hard runner. Is able to maintain top speed for much longer than most. Has a good turning circle. Not afraid to take on the game & break the lines. Maintains composure under pressure. Very good at weaving through traffic; just a smooth mover. Knock on him is that his kicking is only average at best, he's not super clean at ground level which you want from a short fella and for a bloke who's physically a good size he doesn't crack in hard enough to win his own ball.

Initial thoughts on Redman: Very high IQ player. Makes the right decisions. Reasonably creative. Has composure but could improve. Capable kick. Very clean hands both overhead, in traffic and at ground level. Just seems to always be in the right place at the right time, forward IQ/positioning elite. He's someone I reckon is an excellent chance to make the grade and someone I reckon could play forward, midfield or back and do well. I really like him. Just trying to gauge his athleticism a bit more now.



He really only had one good game at the champs - over at Subi against WA. Didn't impose himself like hoped. Not dominant inside (but capable, which is nice) but predominantly his kicking is scrappy. I don't like outside midfielders being questionable by foot and he is. That's why I've got him lower than most.

Nyuon is someone I think the sky is the limit for. His improvement since last year is staggering. He's now a genuinely capable user of the football. His tapwork is excellent. Athleticism great. His IQ has improved so much, finds the ball well. In a lot of ways is an extra midfielder.

The issue for him is matching up on the physical monsters at AFL level. He's going to need to gain 15+ kilos and learn to use it. Which is why he's a project. But when he does, I reckon he's going to be lethal. Ryder-esque through the ruck. Haven't seen him anywhere else but reckon he'd be capable down back with some development. But ruck is where he's best - and with how the Dogs seem to see ruckmen I reckon he's a perfect list fit as that athletic, extra mid type option.
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Thanks Skippos, he definitely seems like like he could be someone who beverage and dalrymple would be interested in. They place a premium on flexibility. Did Harry Mckay spend much time in the ruck and does it seem like something he could do serviceably at the next level?
 
flipper83 said:
Thanks Skippos, he definitely seems like like he could be someone who beverage and dalrymple would be interested in. They place a premium on flexibility. Did Harry Mckay spend much time in the ruck and does it seem like something he could do serviceably at the next level?
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Sorry mate totally missed that part of the question.

It's a weird one. He's got the height and I suspect the leap, but he hasn't really impressed me too much in the brief stints he had there. I'm going to have to be completely honest and say 'I don't know' - it's possible, someone like a Ben Griffiths who has similar height/athleticism/style is capable in the ruck but James Stewart - a similar type too, looks absolutely lost there. At the moment I'd be inclined to say he could at a stretch but not ideally, but I just don't know.

Unless he gets a major stint there towards the back end of the season, I'd propose that his potential for ruckwork shouldn't effect his stocks one way or another.
 

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Dannnnnnnnnn said:
Do you really think Bonner falls that far in the actual draft at this stage, or is that a bit of a quirk of your phantom? Wouldn't have any issue selecting him far earlier than that.
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I'm beginning to suspect that I perhaps rate him higher than most. It's half a quirk; one small change earlier could have had him going around Hawthorn's first. But I do also believe that I hold him in higher regard than the general consensus.
 
Skippos said:
I'm beginning to suspect that I perhaps rate him higher than most. It's half a quirk; one small change earlier could have had him going around Hawthorn's first. But I do also believe that I hold him in higher regard than the general consensus.
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I've definitely noticed that there's not a lot of fuss around him; you were pretty much the only one helping me keep the faith that my initial assessment was accurate, haha. I know you've used this argument before but I look closely at the relatively high selection of Wigg and question how Bonner can stay on the board anywhere near as long as he did, given their comparison quite heavily favours Bonner (from my perspective, at least). Particularly in a shallow draft, I fail to see how his height, versatility and kicking skills don't seriously command attention.
 
How does Bonner compare to Kolodjashnij? Apologies if that's already been covered.
 
Pogba said:
How does Bonner compare to Kolodjashnij? Apologies if that's already been covered.
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Kolodjashnij a far more defined intercept game and more spacially aware as a player. Works much harder on defence (not hard). By no means an inside player but more willing than Bonner to get his hands dirty. Bonner a better opposite foot. I'd say KK more poised a player too but that's more speculative than factual.
 
Skippos said:
Kolodjashnij a far more defined intercept game and more spacially aware as a player. Works much harder on defence (not hard). By no means an inside player but more willing than Bonner to get his hands dirty. Bonner a better opposite foot. I'd say KK more poised a player too but that's more speculative than factual.
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From what you've described of Bonner he seems like the typical kind of player who never translates his under 18's game to AFL. If you know what I mean.
 
Skippos said:
Understand what you mean just not sure how youve come to that conclusion. Any chance you could give me an example of players like that?
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Cale Morton? Highly rated in his draft year as a tall utility/flanker who moved well, long accurate kick but question marks over his contested game?
 

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Skippos said:
Understand what you mean just not sure how youve come to that conclusion. Any chance you could give me an example of players like that?
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I guess that just describes what we were told about Howard all these years, maybe that's why I'm gun shy on that type of player.

I can't remember someone like Brodie Smith having any of those doubts pre draft.
 
Pogba said:
I guess that just describes what we were told about Howard all these years, maybe that's why I'm gun shy on that type of player.

I can't remember someone like Brodie Smith having any of those doubts pre draft.
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Nothing like Howard in my opinion and I watched Christian as a college player and at Glenelg. Howard played for Sacred Heart and Glenelg's U18s no senior footy, yes he was a left footer and there are similarities to Bonner's kicking styles, but that's where it ends. Bonner is taller 191+, kicks off both feet, is playing senior football at West Adelaide & possibly league by year end and can roll forward. Howard was never a first rounder I think everyone would agree to that. Bonner is a 20-30 selection in my opinion, Skippos & I both rate him but Skip slightly higher. If he continues with his consistency shown in the Champs and develops his defensive game which is showing signs he may push into the top 20.
 
BigCat2 said:
Cale Morton? Highly rated in his draft year as a tall utility/flanker who moved well, long accurate kick but question marks over his contested game?
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Perhaps Cale is an okay comparison and an example of outside players not being safe bets. They really aren't - lots of bust potential with all hence why Bonner isn't a top 10 type. If he delivered on expectations he certainly would be; it's the risk that's lowering him. But even then, I feel like Bonner's a little different to Morton. He doesn't have an inside game but also doesn't feel as unbelievably soft either.

Yoda_ said:
Col

sam Colquhon'esque?
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Colquhoun was a weird one. He slipped due to height and role - in the champs he just played as a loose receiver most of the time without having accountability from defence. In a lot of ways he was a Wigg type without the elite kicking, similar ?s. But I wouldn't compare him to Bonner, Bonner a much more athletic player, I reckon a better kick and much taller.

Pogba said:
I guess that just describes what we were told about Howard all these years, maybe that's why I'm gun shy on that type of player.

I can't remember someone like Brodie Smith having any of those doubts pre draft.
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That's because Brodie Smith leant towards the inside as a junior. Weird, right? He was a tall midfielder/half back with a natural clearance game, a really solid foundation and core strength and some real ability to win his own ball with a great burst. His kicking was okay only and he was moderate-good for speed. The player he's become is weird. But great.

Sure, compare Bonner to what Smith is now. But I would't be using Smith as a comparison for him as a junior, because as juniors - completely different players. Bonner wouldn't know the inside of a contest if it hit him in the face.

Howard is a weird one too. Weaker junior than Bonner I reckon, and more in the 'small receiver' like Wigg category instead of the general rebounder. Bonner has scope to be an intercept marking primary rebounder, not sure Howard had that.
 
Skippos said:
Sorry mate totally missed that part of the question.

It's a weird one. He's got the height and I suspect the leap, but he hasn't really impressed me too much in the brief stints he had there. I'm going to have to be completely honest and say 'I don't know' - it's possible, someone like a Ben Griffiths who has similar height/athleticism/style is capable in the ruck but James Stewart - a similar type too, looks absolutely lost there. At the moment I'd be inclined to say he could at a stretch but not ideally, but I just don't know.

Unless he gets a major stint there towards the back end of the season, I'd propose that his potential for ruckwork shouldn't effect his stocks one way or another.
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No dramas thanks for answering. My biggest concern with him is whether he has the intensity to make it at the top level. Seems like a lot of these tall athletic types don't work out because they just dont have the competitive juices. Do you think he has that aggression in him?
 
I think you've got Blake Hardwick and Mason Redman going too late, and the likes of Haysman, Nyuon, Brine too early. Too many South Australians/not enough Vic Country, which I guess is understandable given you've seen more of the SA boys. Agree with leaving out Hinchliffe. For an overager with a big body, I reckon he's soft and lazy. Pass.

I'm amazed I haven't seen mention in any draft threads, anywhere, of Kurt Mutimer. Mid/hbf for Dandenong and Vic Country, uses the ball very nicely with good penetration and accuracy off the left boot, high disposal efficiency, a good mix of contested and uncontested ball, strong overhead, and is a willing tackler, averaging 4.5 at TAC level, to go with 19.4 disposals.

He played four games at the Champs for 8 disposals (at 75%), 15 (73%), 18 (89%), 14 (79%).

185cm, 80-odd kg. I like him. If you wanted a hbf and don't get Bonnor, or don't like his lack of contested game, take this bloke with a pick after 30 and you've done well.
 
flipper83 said:
No dramas thanks for answering. My biggest concern with him is whether he has the intensity to make it at the top level. Seems like a lot of these tall athletic types don't work out because they just dont have the competitive juices. Do you think he has that aggression in him?
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He's competitive. He's just not physical or aggressive...yet.

richoatthedisco said:
I think you've got Blake Hardwick and Mason Redman going too late, and the likes of Haysman, Nyuon, Brine too early. Too many South Australians/not enough Vic Country, which I guess is understandable given you've seen more of the SA boys. Agree with leaving out Hinchliffe. For an overager with a big body, I reckon he's soft and lazy. Pass.

I'm amazed I haven't seen mention in any draft threads, anywhere, of Kurt Mutimer. Mid/hbf for Dandenong and Vic Country, uses the ball very nicely with good penetration and accuracy off the left boot, high disposal efficiency, a good mix of contested and uncontested ball, strong overhead, and is a willing tackler, averaging 4.5 at TAC level, to go with 19.4 disposals.

He played four games at the Champs for 8 disposals (at 75%), 15 (73%), 18 (89%), 14 (79%).

185cm, 80-odd kg. I like him. If you wanted a hbf and don't get Bonnor, or don't like his lack of contested game, take this bloke with a pick after 30 and you've done well.
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I tend to agree but that's how it fell. There'll be sliders in the draft proper too. I personally rate Redman in the top 25; I'm just not sure that's going to be a shared view. He's not super athletic nor is he a potent kick - hard to draft someone who's neither a crumber nor a KPF and doesn't have real athleticism or penetration that early. But I like what he does forward still - and also think there's some midfield scope with his spacial awareness nifty. I've seen him play through the guts at club level and he's impressed.

With Hardwick forward he looks the small version of Reece McKenzie - dominant against meh TAC players but when the standard lifts, not so much. While forward he hasn't really imposed - a lot of his goals have been 'right place, right time' stuff, from what I've seen. What I do like is his inside game; if I'm drafting Hardwick it's as a hard in and under type who'll hurt you resting forward. Because at his size I don't think he's got enough tricks as an AFL pure forward. And as I continue to evaluate his potential for that role he may rise.

Haysman I like but agree, there's a case for him to be late-rookie. But especially in a shallow draft I think a natural & pure footballer who works all day is worth picking. He'll also present to clubs well as someone who'll get the best out of whatever he's got. There's a place for those types. Nyuon I think I've discussed earlier. Rate of improvement is a strong consideration with players and he continues to improve at a rapid rate. I think he's a very good chance at being an AFL lead ruckman. So I'll back him in.

Brind I'm tempted to have higher. Discipline is a concern. Weight is a concern. If clubs are confident he'll be able to shed those KGs (and they're not symptomatic of a wider issue?) he's a genuine top 20-25 talent for mine. Even with the weight he seems to cover the ground well and still execute after intense efforts. Versatility is so much in today's game and he can do so many roles well. Put him one out in the square? He'll win his fair share of 1 v 1s on smaller opponents...and beat taller ones at ground level. Have him leading out of the square and he's got a good burst (which will only improve as he sheds KGs) and leads to good spots. Hits the ball at top speed, doesn't let contact move him. Clean, one grab hands. He's good in that role. Have him as the hitup high half forward? He finds space. He's always an option. He takes the ball at the highest point, cleanly. He does it well. At ground level he goes in harder. Rarely loses 1 v 1s in any regard. As a midfielder he cracks in on the inside, wins his own ball, physically imposes. Provides a point of difference. Moves through traffic surprisingly well for a bloke his size. Outside he's always an option. Not a liability by foot.

Every time I watch him and review him I rate him even higher. Honestly - the only reason he's not in the top 10-15 for mine is discipline/weight. I'd love to see him 86 kilos of muscle not puppy fat - and I'm not sure how that'd affect his game. I've also heard of a (minor-ish) disciplinary incident which is never ideal. He plays so many roles. Has so many strings to his bow - I think the only thing potentially stopping him from making the grade will be him as a person. I don't know if he's a massive flog or not.

Mutimer I agree - he and Cuningham were two I noticed in the last two rounds that hadn't grabbed my attention before that - my next update will reflect that. Neither I rate as top prospects but look like handy 30-rookie types. Mutimer bit of a jack of all trades/master of none type but I like what he offers, especially late. Good spot.
 
Skippos said:
Sorry mate totally missed that part of the question.

It's a weird one. He's got the height and I suspect the leap, but he hasn't really impressed me too much in the brief stints he had there. I'm going to have to be completely honest and say 'I don't know' - it's possible, someone like a Ben Griffiths who has similar height/athleticism/style is capable in the ruck but James Stewart - a similar type too, looks absolutely lost there. At the moment I'd be inclined to say he could at a stretch but not ideally, but I just don't know.

Unless he gets a major stint there towards the back end of the season, I'd propose that his potential for ruckwork shouldn't effect his stocks one way or another.
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I reckon not ....will be best as a forward that can get up the ground ala Riewoldt and is excellent at turning his opp inside out and running back toward goal using his pace
 
[QUOTE="Skippos,

Every time I watch him and review him I rate him even higher. Honestly - the only reason he's not in the top 10-15 for mine is discipline/weight. I'd love to see him 86 kilos of muscle not puppy fat - and I'm not sure how that'd affect his game. I've also heard of a (minor-ish) disciplinary incident which is never ideal. He plays so many roles. Has so many strings to his bow - I think the only thing potentially stopping him from making the grade will be him as a person. I don't know if he's a massive flog or not.


Who was this about skippos got lost? Haha
 
happydays152125 said:
[QUOTE="Skippos,

Every time I watch him and review him I rate him even higher. Honestly - the only reason he's not in the top 10-15 for mine is discipline/weight. I'd love to see him 86 kilos of muscle not puppy fat - and I'm not sure how that'd affect his game. I've also heard of a (minor-ish) disciplinary incident which is never ideal. He plays so many roles. Has so many strings to his bow - I think the only thing potentially stopping him from making the grade will be him as a person. I don't know if he's a massive flog or not.


Who was this about skippos got lost? Haha
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Brind SA
 

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