Skippos's 2015 Draft Resource

[Dav1d]

Not so much if Dixon was to come over.
A combination with youngsters Freeman, McStay & Close would be heading in the right direction.

Don't forget Hammelmann & probably Hipwood this year

A lot of young talls developing up at Brisbane

 

[Skippos]

I guess you wouldn't know our reserves especially well considering you live in Adelaide, other than possibly Fantasia who is an Adelaide boy and McKernan for obvious reasons. Smack has actually been dominant in the VFL so far this season and we as a board are very frustrated that he has only had one game in the seniors. Our pace in the reserves is really good, with genuine speedsters in Edwards, Laverde, Aylett, Dalgleish, Fantasia, Jackson Merrett (who has been in between AFL and VFL), Browne, Long and McKenna, and of the youth that isn't fast you have genuinely good endurance players in O'Brien, Ashby, Hams and Kavanagh.

Looking at our list, assuming Carlisle leaves (which I'm leaning towards right now), our KPP stocks will be pretty bare, with only Hooker, Hurley, Gwilt, Daniher, Ambrose, Langford (if he's a genuine KPP, which I doubt) and the rucks. Fletch is likely to retire, Pears and Steinberg likely to be delisted. We need to draft good, young KPP's.

Ideally our forward set up in a couple of years would be:

Fantasia - ??? - Langford
McKernan - Daniher - McKenna

With blokes like Laverde, Zaharakis, Colyer, Edwards rotating through there. Our defence if Carlisle stays will be fine, but he's too similar to Daniher as a forward IMO.

If a player has been through the junior system over the last several years, I've seen them. I watch each game every week so if they've played AFL I've seen them. I follow VFL results too, so am aware of how the players are tracking. Likewise if there's an Irish recruit, I've seen them. I pay a lot of attention to Gaelic football - I'm an Irishman by birth and have played more of the sport than I have football - so I make sure I follow it as well as understand it. McKenna in my eyes (source 1, source 2, source 3, source 4) is the most talented Irish recruit we've ever had and someone I'm so confident will make the grade barring homesickness. I absolutely love him, hence I'll take any chance to talk about him and any chance to crucify 17 other clubs for not poaching him as a free hit. The fact that he's thriving forward is example enough, playing forward takes nous wrt leading patterns and experience - how many Irish blokes have succeeded as forwards? Can't think of any. Tommy Walsh was a superstar and couldn't. Even with McKenna's forward ability I thought he'd be played as a defender/wingman with his speed, agility, willingness to break lines and skill. I still think he'd probably be better there.

Smack I expect to dominate the VFL. He was an excellent SANFL performer too. Just lacks the forward nous to thrive as a key forward - to me he's best played as an undersized ruckman or a key defender.

I think you're falling into the common mistake of mistaking quantity and depth in an area for quality. Fremantle supporters did it last year with talls - they had Moller, Hannath, Gumbleton, Griffin, Apeness and Taberner all in the WAFL as one in the ruck and the rest forward so decided they were fine for forwards, when really, they've still got nobody looking like a #1 forward when Pav goes.

You might have depth in pace, but none of those players have shown AFL ability yet, with all being speculative types. Most of those are forwards and not midfielders. Those that are midfielders don't look to be good enough, at least yet. Putting all your eggs in the Laverde basket would be a jump - players around his pick at a guess only hit ~60% of the time, Laverde is no certainty to make it. I think he will, but it's not a given. I also think McKenna and Fantasia make it and likely Merrett too, but it still leaves you without genuine top tier outside midfielders and explosiveness in that midfield. On the inside, you've got those endurance players but again, none have shown anything much at AFL level and are speculative at best. Kav played well and I have hope for him, so perhaps he might fill a gap. I hope so, but having depth in late pick/rookie types who are okay at VFL level doesn't mean they become AFL players. Relying on speculative and late draft types to fix those problems would be a grave error, for mine.

I do agree that KPPs are a need - but they're not the only need, and depending on the trade/FA period, not the one I'd look towards fixing. With all due respect, I think there is quite a bit of work needing doing on that list and it'll take more than a year. If you take KPPs this year, speed becomes a need next year. Likewise, you take speed this year and KPPs become a need next year. You'll have to attack both at some stage over the next few years so in my eyes, for now you go for the best available and avoid turning a 6-8 pick into a 13-15 player. Sorry for the long post!

 

[Chris25]

I think you're falling into the common mistake of mistaking quantity and depth in an area for quality. Fremantle supporters did it last year with talls - they had Moller, Hannath, Gumbleton, Griffin, Apeness and Taberner all in the WAFL as one in the ruck and the rest forward so decided they were fine for forwards, when really, they've still got nobody looking like a #1 forward when Pav goes

Nobody thought that. Everyone wanted another tall, but we knew it wouldn't happen given competition for spots and our stated preference for midfield depth.

Leave it up to Fremantle supporters, and we'd draft 10 key forwards every year.

 

[Skippos]

Hi Skippos.

At this rate, what position should each club take with their first pick?

Or a better way to word it is, what should each club do for this year's draft?

I'm not in a position to make that judgment, in fact I'm personally unsure hence asking the question of others.

If I had to, though:

Adelaide: 1. Outside Speed/Composure, 2. KPF, 3. KPD
Brisbane: 1. Quality KPF, 2. Daylight, 3. Outside Mid
Carlton: 1. Best available, 2. KPPs, 3. Midfielders in general
Collingwood: 1. KPF, 2. Inside Mid (preferably big bodied), 3. Outside Mid
Essendon: 1. Outside Speed, 2. KPF, 3. Inside Mid
Fremantle: 1. Quality KPF, 2. Inside Mid, 3. KPD
Geelong: 1. Quality Inside Mid, 2. KPD, 3. KPF
Gold Coast: 1. Big Bodied Inside Mid, 2. Third forward, 3. Third defender
GWS: 1. Best Available
Hawthorn: 1. Inside Mid, 2. KPD, 3. Small/General Defender
Melbourne: 1. Outside Mid, 2. Small Defender, 3. Ruck
North: 1. KPF, 2. Outside Mid, 3. Small Forward
Port: 1. Big Bodied Inside Mid, 2. Third forward, 3. Small Defender
Richmond: 1. Outside Speed, 2. Small Forward, 3. Small Defender
St. Kilda: 1. Outside Speed, 2. KPD, 3. Third forward?
Sydney: 1. KPF, 2. Small Forward, 3. KPD/Ruck
West Coast: 1. KPD, 2. SD, 3. SF
Western Bulldogs: 1. Rebounding Half Back, 2. Outside Mid, 3. Ruck

 

[Skippos]

Nobody thought that. Everyone wanted another tall, but we knew it wouldn't happen given competition for spots and our stated preference for midfield depth.

Leave it up to Fremantle supporters, and we'd draft 10 key forwards every year.

That's certainly not the message I got last year but I'll happily trust you there as you'd definitely know more about it than me as a Freo supporter!

 

[Chizm]

If a player has been through the junior system over the last several years, I've seen them. I watch each game every week so if they've played AFL I've seen them. I follow VFL results too, so am aware of how the players are tracking. Likewise if there's an Irish recruit, I've seen them. I pay a lot of attention to Gaelic football - I'm an Irishman by birth and have played more of the sport than I have football - so I make sure I follow it as well as understand it. McKenna in my eyes (source 1, source 2, source 3, source 4) is the most talented Irish recruit we've ever had and someone I'm so confident will make the grade barring homesickness. I absolutely love him, hence I'll take any chance to talk about him and any chance to crucify 17 other clubs for not poaching him as a free hit. The fact that he's thriving forward is example enough, playing forward takes nous wrt leading patterns and experience - how many Irish blokes have succeeded as forwards? Can't think of any. Tommy Walsh was a superstar and couldn't. Even with McKenna's forward ability I thought he'd be played as a defender/wingman with his speed, agility, willingness to break lines and skill. I still think he'd probably be better there.

Smack I expect to dominate the VFL. He was an excellent SANFL performer too. Just lacks the forward nous to thrive as a key forward - to me he's best played as an undersized ruckman or a key defender.

I think you're falling into the common mistake of mistaking quantity and depth in an area for quality. Fremantle supporters did it last year with talls - they had Moller, Hannath, Gumbleton, Griffin, Apeness and Taberner all in the WAFL as one in the ruck and the rest forward so decided they were fine for forwards, when really, they've still got nobody looking like a #1 forward when Pav goes.

You might have depth in pace, but none of those players have shown AFL ability yet, with all being speculative types. Most of those are forwards and not midfielders. Those that are midfielders don't look to be good enough, at least yet. Putting all your eggs in the Laverde basket would be a jump - players around his pick at a guess only hit ~60% of the time, Laverde is no certainty to make it. I think he will, but it's not a given. I also think McKenna and Fantasia make it and likely Merrett too, but it still leaves you without genuine top tier outside midfielders and explosiveness in that midfield. On the inside, you've got those endurance players but again, none have shown anything much at AFL level and are speculative at best. Kav played well and I have hope for him, so perhaps he might fill a gap. I hope so, but having depth in late pick/rookie types who are okay at VFL level doesn't mean they become AFL players. Relying on speculative and late draft types to fix those problems would be a grave error, for mine.

I do agree that KPPs are a need - but they're not the only need, and depending on the trade/FA period, not the one I'd look towards fixing. With all due respect, I think there is quite a bit of work needing doing on that list and it'll take more than a year. If you take KPPs this year, speed becomes a need next year. Likewise, you take speed this year and KPPs become a need next year. You'll have to attack both at some stage over the next few years so in my eyes, for now you go for the best available and avoid turning a 6-8 pick into a 13-15 player. Sorry for the long post!

Saying we do end up with a pick in the 6-8 range, just out of curiosity, who do you think would be the best option at this point to take?

 

[Skippos]

Saying we do end up with a pick in the 6-8 range, just out of curiosity, who do you think would be the best option at this point to take?

First thing is I'd be looking at bidding on Mills, Kennedy, Hopper and maybe even Dunkley.

My priorities from an essendon point of view would be

1. Weitering
2. Francis
3. Schache
4. Parish
5. Tucker
6. Mathieson
7. Partington
8. Collins

They also happen to be my top 8 prospects in the open draft. If Essendon's pick remains as is, the top handful of players in my eyes are all good list fits, which is super handy as it enables them to pick best available without worry.

 

[Chizm]

First thing is I'd be looking at bidding on Mills, Kennedy, Hopper and maybe even Dunkley.

My priorities from an essendon point of view would be

1. Weitering
2. Francis
3. Schache
4. Parish
5. Tucker
6. Mathieson
7. Partington
8. Collins

They also happen to be my top 8 prospects in the open draft. If Essendon's pick remains as is, the top handful of players in my eyes are all good list fits, which is super handy as it enables them to pick best available without worry.

I saw that Francis started the game on the weekend in the middle. Can you see him doing that at an AFL level? Or used more as a utility type player?

 

[Procrastinator35]

First thing is I'd be looking at bidding on Mills, Kennedy, Hopper and maybe even Dunkley.

1. Weitering
2. Francis
3. Schache
4. Parish
5. Tucker
6. Mathieson
7. Partington
8. Collins

They also happen to be my top 8 prospects in the open draft. .

Agree with your top 8 Skippos , outside of the academy boys of course.

Still think Partington is ahead of the other 3 mids however....While i'm also not altogether convinced that the no:1 possie is a certainty either, with any of the top 3 all equally worthy & capable as each other.

Collins is an absolute monster-truck already, ah-la Ben Rutten & it hasn't affected his pace/mobility at all....He could play AFL level tomorrow imo.

 

[Skippos]

I saw that Francis started the game on the weekend in the middle. Can you see him doing that at an AFL level? Or used more as a utility type player?

Yes. However I'm not going to assume it as fact until I see it first hand. The early career Goddard comparison is made quite a bit of late and it's a good one. Except Francis is a little quicker than BJ and I reckon better overhead. Prefer BJ's footskills but that's not a disservice to Francis and also think Goddard is a better accumulator - and Francis as a midfielder wouldn't be such a volume accumulator.

But I read something the other day from someone (I forgot who, so I can't credit - but whoever it was said it perfectly) that he could conceivably be a 'Mr. Fix It' at AFL level - someone who plays where you need, whether that be as a leading or third forward, a rebounding half back, a third tall defender, a key defender or a midfielder - he'll be able to play the role you need.

Right now I favour Francis in defence - I feel his skill-set, while versatile, does lend more to defence instead of being a pure utility like Goddard. And if someone's as good as Francis is in defence, you just don't move them out of there.

 

[Skippos]

Agree with your top 8 Skippos , outside of the academy boys of course.

Still think Partington is ahead of the other 3 mids however....While i'm also not altogether convinced that the no:1 possie is a certainty either, with any of the top 3 all equally worthy & capable as each other.

Collins is an absolute monster-truck already, ah-la Ben Rutten & it hasn't affected his pace/mobility at all....He could play AFL level tomorrow imo.

I've seen a lot of Partington but I don't rate him above them yet. I've been used to talking up Partington on here and on twitter for the best part of a year and having people rate him far lower, it's so foreign that now they all rate him above me!

What's holding Partington back for mine is the lack of an elite trait. He's good by foot but not elite like some in the draft. He's okay at winning the hard and ground ball but not elite like some in the draft. He's quick but not electric like some. He'll run the ball but not break the lines constantly like some. He's got a good read of the tap and wins the clearances but he's not an elite clearance player. He's got some goal sense but isn't yet a goal kicking midfielder. The most elite thing about him for mine is his running patterns and his decision making and intent is probably close to an AFL level too.

And his champs have been great, as I expected - he's done what I thought he'd do. But I also understand why. He's better than most of the kids on the field at winning clearances so he'll win them. He runs harder than most so he'll be in positions to get the ball more than most. He's okay at the hard ball so he'll win a bit of it too. He's quick so he'll get away from these slower kids. But that's just it - the standard is diluted. At AFL level he's not going to be an elite clearance player because he'll be the same while everyone else will be better around him. Likewise the hard ball, he's just going to be knocked off it. He won't be in the top echelon for speed or work rate either.

The players who make it have often have some really dominant traits that translate well. At champs level they're often restricted by that dominant trait - for example a Hopper is going to win a lot of that inside and contested ball and that's where his possessions will come from. A Tucker type is going to receive that outside ball all the time and that's where his possessions will come from. And you know that's how they're going to do it at AFL level. Partington is better than the rest at most of these things at this level - he's super rounded. But at the next level he's going to be neither your pure line breaking outside mid or your natural, bullocking inside mid. He's going to be in that inbetween zone where he's a jack of all trades and master of none, and I'm just not sure these types ever become truly elite - and that's my concern.

I think he'll make it, and I think he'll be good. But I just don't see the same ceiling for him as I do for some others in this crop. Just like I'm unsure that he'll have the same impact early as some will.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I'm not in a position to make that judgment, in fact I'm personally unsure hence asking the question of others.

If I had to, though:

Adelaide: 1. Outside Speed/Composure, 2. KPF, 3. KPD
Brisbane: 1. Quality KPF, 2. Daylight, 3. Outside Mid
Carlton: 1. Best available, 2. KPPs, 3. Midfielders in general
Collingwood: 1. KPF, 2. Inside Mid (preferably big bodied), 3. Outside Mid
Essendon: 1. Outside Speed, 2. KPF, 3. Inside Mid
Fremantle: 1. Quality KPF, 2. Inside Mid, 3. KPD
Geelong: 1. Quality Inside Mid, 2. KPD, 3. KPF
Gold Coast: 1. Big Bodied Inside Mid, 2. Third forward, 3. Third defender
GWS: 1. Best Available
Hawthorn: 1. Inside Mid, 2. KPD, 3. Small/General Defender
Melbourne: 1. Outside Mid, 2. Small Defender, 3. Ruck
North: 1. KPF, 2. Outside Mid, 3. Small Forward
Port: 1. Big Bodied Inside Mid, 2. Third forward, 3. Small Defender
Richmond: 1. Outside Speed, 2. Small Forward, 3. Small Defender
St. Kilda: 1. Outside Speed, 2. KPD, 3. Third forward?
Sydney: 1. KPF, 2. Small Forward, 3. KPD/Ruck
West Coast: 1. KPD, 2. SD, 3. SF
Western Bulldogs: 1. Rebounding Half Back, 2. Outside Mid, 3. Ruck

Love your work. Who's the rebounding half back we should be looking at, do you think?

 

[grundog49]

Love your work. Who's the rebounding half back we should be looking at, do you think?

Darcy Tucker, Bruno Laguda and Riley Bonner are the standout half backs. I would probably wait another year for Jarrod Berry as a half back from the rebels. Sorry for hijacking your thread Skippos.

 

[hawk2]

Nor am I. And I have the same concerns - he looks like an athlete and not a forward for mine. His leading patterns are questionable and things like that are often natural and very difficult to learn. What's working in his favour is just how young he is, so I've got a little more hope that he's got more time to grow than others. Reminds me a lot of James Stewart who looks okay but doesn't look like having the contested ability nor leading patterns to ever be dominant. But agreed regarding his potential to be a defender, I'd be surprised if he didn't end up there, to be honest.



I agree, I'd be having him well up on the list if I was a Fremantle recruiter. He's a good list fit but his style also fits well with the way you guys play. The issue is that he just might not be there when you're on the clock!



I'd heard he was injured but I suspect it's more than that. You've got 40 slots in that squad. You can afford to carry a bloke who's going to miss half the champs if he's in your best 22 - and I can't see why he wouldn't be (that said, as far as championship outfits go, with Goddard/Smith/Strnadica the ruck/key forward division is the least of WA's worries)

I agree, I like what he does in the ruck but I'm not sure he's a pure ruck at this stage. What intrigued me was his potential forward which he seems to be delivering on a bit now. He was in my top 20-25 until about a month or two ago. Have seen his colts results, it's partly the reason I even bothered including him in the earlier post - I'm probably the only person who still has him on my radar

The worry for mine is that he's in that inbetween zone of being a handy ruck and a handy forward but not good enough at either discipline to really impose. And regarding his non-selection, surely something more is there. Either they grossly overestimated the time it'd take to recover (which is still stupid, 5-10 blokes in that squad won't play one game, so including him harms nobody. SA included Burton!), they just don't rate him (which would surprise me after last year) or he's done something/there are character concerns.

Given all the work he put in pre season and the fact that he has been in state for last two years his non inclusion in state is a mystery.
He has not played for 10weeks and has just had his 4th game so I think he has a lot of potential. WA Sate selections has been a disaster and this is reflected in their performance so far. I think their decision to not include Della Franca is just one of the many mistakes they have made. Maybe WA State Academy need a change of hands from your Talent Manager to your Talls Coach who have been with the academy for more than 10 years and why would you select a Head coach who won you a game 10 years ago. Needs some new blood.

 

[gillo94]

First thing is I'd be looking at bidding on Mills, Kennedy, Hopper and maybe even Dunkley.

My priorities from an essendon point of view would be

1. Weitering
2. Francis
3. Schache
4. Parish
5. Tucker
6. Mathieson
7. Partington
8. Collins

They also happen to be my top 8 prospects in the open draft. If Essendon's pick remains as is, the top handful of players in my eyes are all good list fits, which is super handy as it enables them to pick best available without worry.

Skippos with your top 8. Who do you compare each of those players too

Is their a big gap between pick 1 and say pick 2-5 in this years draft?

 

[Saintsone]

Interesting th

Darcy Tucker, Bruno Laguda and Riley Bonner are the standout half backs. I would probably wait another year for Jarrod Berry as a half back from the rebels. Sorry for hijacking your thread Skippos.

interesting that both Tucker and Berry come from the same country club the Horsham Saints. Would be great to see them line up together one day across half back at AFL level. Both boys will be quality players.

 

[Skippos]

Love your work. Who's the rebounding half back we should be looking at, do you think?

I favour Bonner at this stage. He's the kind of player I really like - elite by foot, quick, breaks the lines, can intercept, versatile and dual sided. Darcy Tucker the other standout with some real skill and speed but not the same size - which is something I place some importance in for a pure half back as it gives you some options. I'd be taking Tucker with a view to using him through the middle not in defence, which would be a waste with his talents.

Tom Cole looks a handy small defender and one of those nice, low risk type prospects but given the specific need I see in the Dogs I wouldn't be taking him. Thomas Cameron has some versatility and poise in the back half but I'd like to see more of him as a defender before being sure. Bruno Laguda's a lovely kick and solid half back.

The other two are Corey Wagner - a Brisbane academy product (so I'd at least bid to keep them honest!) and Tyrone Leonardis - who'd probably be my third recommendation behind Bonner and Tucker. Just attacks the game so fiercely by foot and with run. A bit like JJ but more polished by foot and not as super aggressive with the running.

Darcy Tucker, Bruno Laguda and Riley Bonner are the standout half backs. I would probably wait another year for Jarrod Berry as a half back from the rebels. Sorry for hijacking your thread Skippos.

'waiting another year' for a certain player is not something I recommend or endorse. You cannot foresee their development or the range you'll be in. Seems very presumptuous to put all your eggs in the one basket.

 

[CaptainMurphy]

I favour Bonner at this stage. He's the kind of player I really like - elite by foot, quick, breaks the lines, can intercept, versatile and dual sided. Darcy Tucker the other standout with some real skill and speed but not the same size - which is something I place some importance in for a pure half back as it gives you some options. I'd be taking Tucker with a view to using him through the middle not in defence, which would be a waste with his talents.

Tom Cole looks a handy small defender and one of those nice, low risk type prospects but given the specific need I see in the Dogs I wouldn't be taking him. Thomas Cameron has some versatility and poise in the back half but I'd like to see more of him as a defender before being sure. Bruno Laguda's a lovely kick and solid half back.

The other two are Corey Wagner - a Brisbane academy product (so I'd at least bid to keep them honest!) and Tyrone Leonardis - who'd probably be my third recommendation behind Bonner and Tucker. Just attacks the game so fiercely by foot and with run. A bit like JJ but more polished by foot and not as super aggressive with the running.



'waiting another year' for a certain player is not something I recommend or endorse. You cannot foresee their development or the range you'll be in. Seems very presumptuous to put all your eggs in the one basket.

Awesome, thankyou for this. It's great to have a few to keep an eye on.

 

[Skippos]

Given all the work he put in pre season and the fact that he has been in state for last two years his non inclusion in state is a mystery.
He has not played for 10weeks and has just had his 4th game so I think he has a lot of potential. WA Sate selections has been a disaster and this is reflected in their performance so far. I think their decision to not include Della Franca is just one of the many mistakes they have made. Maybe WA State Academy need a change of hands from your Talent Manager to your Talls Coach who have been with the academy for more than 10 years and why would you select a Head coach who won you a game 10 years ago. Needs some new blood.

Yeah, I like what I've seen too. From what I've gathered there are some concerns within the setup there - narrow minded decision making, poor man management and inconsistent communication on all fronts. I don't know the finer details of the setup and while I'm aware you can only work with what you've got, the WA crop this year and to a lesser extent last year just seems too poor to be attributable to just bad luck. Vic Metro have a 'bad luck' kind of squad but they've at least been able to work with it and get some talent out of it. The lack of any really good talent barring Ah Chee is just really, really questionable. The test of their 18s setup will be next year. A crop who was excellent at 16s level and already thus far seem to have an elite core. They really should be at the standard and pushing country (who have another excellent top end) for honours. If they fall away again, something's not right and I'd certainly look towards changes.

Skippos with your top 8. Who do you compare each of those players too

Is their a big gap between pick 1 and say pick 2-5 in this years draft?

I don't particularly like comparisons for a variety of reasons but they're below, anyway. In the open draft I think there's a gap between the top 3 and the rest, a bit like last year with McCartin, Bray and CP and then the rest.

Aaron Francis - Brendon Goddard (more athletic and slightly more key position leaning. less natural an accumulator and not as devastatingly lethal by foot)
Jacob Weitering - There isn't one. The best parts of Cale Hooker mixed with the best of Sam Fisher, perhaps?
Josh Schache - Parts of Josh Bruce, parts of Tom Lynch (GC)
Callum Mills - Can't think of a great one - perhaps a Shaun Burgoyne in his Port days?
Darcy Parish - Nick Dal Santo
Matthew Kennedy - Trent Cotchin
Luke Partington - Leigh Montagna perhaps, early career Ryan Griffen too
Rhys Mathieson - Scott Thompson perhaps

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Will you take into account the new f/s and academy rules in your phantom draft? It looks like they'll cost Sydney and GWS a lot to land both each. For example, let's say Sydney finish second like last year, and their two are bid on where they land in your power rankings. Mills is bid on at 4 (2034 points, 1627 discounted). Sydney match it with 18 (985) + 37 (483) + 55 (207), and get pick 69 back. Dunkley then gets bid on at pick 10 (1395 becomes 1116), and Sydney only have 69 (49) and 73 (9) which won't do it. Do they take a 1058 point hit to next years picks then?

Could add another level to phantom drafting. I'm certain it'll make real draft day more exciting.

 

[scooter600x]

Will you take into account the new f/s and academy rules in your phantom draft? It looks like they'll cost Sydney and GWS a lot to land both each. For example, let's say Sydney finish second like last year, and their two are bid on where they land in your power rankings. Mills is bid on at 4 (2034 points, 1627 discounted). Sydney match it with 18 (985) + 37 (483) + 55 (207), and get pick 69 back. Dunkley then gets bid on at pick 10 (1395 becomes 1116), and Sydney only have 69 (49) and 73 (9) which won't do it. Do they take a 1058 point hit to next years picks then?

Could add another level to phantom drafting. I'm certain it'll make real draft day more exciting.

Wouldn't Sydney have to trade someone out to come up with the picks (points) to be able to afford the 2nd player?

 

[CaptainMurphy]

Wouldn't Sydney have to trade someone out to come up with the picks (points) to be able to afford the 2nd player?

I think it depends on if they start allowing them to use future picks or not. I guess it's more likely they won't, for this year at least. In the above scenario they'd have to come up with 1058 points in pick value via trade, so pick 16. Who would that be?

 

[dlanod]

Wouldn't Sydney have to trade someone out to come up with the picks (points) to be able to afford the 2nd player?

Any left over points get taken off the next year's first round pick.

 

[philthy05]

It did say they could take it from next years picks. But I do wonder if either Dunkley will not elect to go to sydney , or vice versa. If they don't trade out Mitchell , and I'm dunks I go to the draft. If thy do trade Mitchell then they have the picks to get dunks with out moving next years picks , and dunks has less competition for a spot (although still a lot of yng mid talent)

 

[FreeAgent1]

I think it depends on if they start allowing them to use future picks or not. I guess it's more likely they won't, for this year at least. In the above scenario they'd have to come up with 1058 points in pick value via trade, so pick 16. Who would that be?

They take it off next years first round.

I doubt sydney will trade big name player this year, due to trade restrictions. More likely to be next year and it will prob be an inside midfielder. (Bird/Mitchell)

I have heard Beatson talk about draft strategy before, he "pick on talent, trade for position motto" .

With that in mind I expect us to try to get Dunkley, I wouldn't be surprised if he chucks a Gibbs and says nah. He is training with Richmond atm.....

Do doubt if the swans look like they need points, some clubs will look for trade steals, but i doubt we will do any.