Discussion So why aren't we calling for Jason Blake's head?

[Squizz]

There are so many discussion points here.

Ross Lyon obviously is a massive fan of keeping the 22 as stable as possible in the knowledge that everyone knows their role and also what the others around them are doing. Is he wrong? (although noting that Roo being out does affect the theory).

Is player X really not contributing (just becuase they make the odd blooper)?

Is VFL player Y playing at a level that demands inclusion into the team, and there is a player in a similar role in the AFL who is out of form?

Does VFL form translate to AFL form?

Does Ross' tendancy to play the guys out of position when he brings them in make it harder for them? (Jack, Gears and Eddy are all massive ball-winners in the VFL but often have been tried as defensive forwards in the AFL).

Do we mark guys too harshly when they come into the team? I thought Eddy was pretty handy last week in 59% TOG but others thought he should be the first one dropped (despite us playing at Subi this week which will need all the hard runners we've got)?

Do we all have the odd player who will never be considered a good AFL standard, but the coaches rate more highly (maybe becuase of their fitness or ability to match up on different players or an ability to stick with the designated structures)?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

If a player is not performing, he does not stay in the side simply because there is no other player to give his spot to. That's an ignorant comment.

That's why there are 38 players on a list.

Yet it's not ignorant to demand the inclusion of a player who's performances don't warrant selection?

Nice double standard.

38 players on a list but all of those aren't equipped to play at FB.

 

[Geoff Cunningham]

Yet it's not ignorant to demand the inclusion of a player who's performances don't warrant selection?

Nice double standard.

38 players on a list but all of those aren't equipped to play at FB.

Tell me Grasshopper, what had Zac Dawson done to deserve a game other than simply being given an opportunity?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

Tell me Grasshopper, what had Zac Dawson done to deserve a game other than simply being given an opportunity?

We turn back to last year. Hudghton was injured which gave the opportunity to Dawson who grabbed it with both hands. In my opinion his disposal was of a higher quality than Hudghton last year (which Ross placed great emphasis on) and probably lead to Dawson been given the nod for finals. I don't think Dawson was the difference between us winning and losing the GF, however from all reports he was far from 100% going into the game.

We look at this year. Dawson has credit in the bank and the man who was fighting for his spot in Hudghton is no longer playing. Dawson hasn't progressed as much as we would have liked but watching the VFL we have listed players who are below Dawson. The most likely type (IMO) Gaertner is a rookie listed player, so a spot needs to open up for him.

If a new player was to come into the FB slot, eg Will Johnson, how many weeks do you give this player to get comfortable in the role? 4 weeks? 6 weeks? That brings us to the business end of the season where having a set structure is pretty important.

Is Dawson setting the world on fire? No. However he is our best option in that position in terms of providing a genuine contest. FB's don't grow on trees.

 

[John Bonney]

Tell me Grasshopper, what had Zac Dawson done to deserve a game other than simply being given an opportunity?

That is elementary,he is tall and on Ross's ''to be played at all times''list.

 

[Simon Templar]

That is elementary,he is tall and on Ross's ''to be played at all times''list.

I don't believe any Saints player is above being given a run in the 2nds as a kick up the pants. Maybe not at finals time but certainly mid season.

 

[John Bonney]

I don't believe any Saints player is above being given a run in the 2nds as a kick up the pants. Maybe not at finals time but certainly mid season.

Have seen no evidence to support that since Milne and Dal in 2008.

 

[The Punter]

How the supporters measure players is different to how the coaches measure them.

We are eight wins and three losses, however.

 

[John Bonney]

How the supporters measure players is different to how the coaches measure them.

We are eight wins and three losses, however.

That is a fact.

 

[Simon Templar]

Have seen no evidence to support that since Milne and Dal in 2008.

Yeah, I think you're right. Obviously doesn't happen very often then.

Edit: Didn't Gram get a game off last year?

 

[John Bonney]

Yeah, I think you're right. Obviously doesn't happen very often then.

Edit: Didn't Gram get a game off last year?

That was because he missed an appointment for a meeting or some such compolsury event.

 

[Charlotte]

If a player is not performing, he does not stay in the side simply because there is no other player to give his spot to. That's an ignorant comment.

That's why there are 38 players on a list.

That is excatlly what needs to happen. Would you like to take the field with one less player is that what you are saying. If there is no one to take on the role of FB I would prefer to have someone there who is doing an ok job then have someone not there at all.

Just because there are 38 players does not mean they can play all positions or willing to push for selection to play in a certain position which is different from what they are used to.

 

[It Was A Good Day]

Well said Charlotte

Just out of curiosity - are you a MILF?

 

[Charlotte]

Well said Charlotte

Just out of curiosity - are you a MILF?

I will say though that I am quiet proud that after 4 kids I still fit into my old jeans. And bigfooty entertains me durning the day more so then Oprah or Dr Phil ever could

 

[ChrisL#12]

Well this is straight out of the clear blue sky. What a change of topic! I'm not one to deny a bit of interesting conversation though, lol.

 

[dan0z]

I will say though that I am quiet proud that after 4 kids I still fit into my old jeans. And bigfooty entertains me durning the day more so then Oprah or Dr Phil ever could

That is awesome!

 

[TheLastEmperor]

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Which random do you want to pull out of the VFL and give the Cougars spot to this week?

the point is, he's been given ample opportunity to regain form and hasn't (prior to his injury). they could of looked at promoting a rookie or bringing in another small just like they have with him now being injured (pretty sure geary came in for him).

as long as players are consistently under performing they will be scrutinised whether it's footy, cricket or any other sport especially in a team sport when a couple of the players are not doing their bit. ppl need to harden the f up and stop getting so offended at others scrutinising the team. the saints aren't perfect you know? there's always room for improvement.

 

[TheLastEmperor]

If this forum is so full of delusional supporters why not try this forum.

i've never seen so much nuthugging in my life like i have at saintsational. they're the most delusional bunch of muppets i've ever seen. i think you'll find that the delusional saints supporters here are the ones that also have a saintsational account. that place makes me sick.

 

[The Punter]

Goody, I'm delusional. Anyone else here agree?

 

[Look2Me4Guidance]

the point is, he's been given ample opportunity to regain form and hasn't (prior to his injury). they could of looked at promoting a rookie or bringing in another small just like they have with him now being injured (pretty sure geary came in for him).

as long as players are consistently under performing they will be scrutinised whether it's footy, cricket or any other sport especially in a team sport when a couple of the players are not doing their bit. ppl need to harden the f up and stop getting so offended at others scrutinising the team. the saints aren't perfect you know? there's always room for improvement.

LOL. I can see your point but your solution isn't really a valid one. No rookie player could be elevated due to lack of long-term injuries. If Riewoldt was out for the season, then sure, but alas no.

In terms of bringing in a small, look at last week. Blake got hammered on Riewoldt and this resulted in Fisher having to go on him, which meant we lost his rebound from the back half.

As I've said all along under-performing players are always going to deserve critcism, but if there is no one better to fulfill their role, there's little point.

Guys like Armo, Eddy, Heyne and Steven are similar types, so hence the competition for those spots are fierce.

 

[bluejay]

That would depend on what size the jeans are Charlotte. You may have been a plus size before you even had kids.

Maybe most of us are delusional, maybe not. But I'm positively sure when I say that this forum was a nice place where we could discuss anything going on around St Kilda with respect and enjoying our time here until YOU arrived and started abusing other posters with your arrogant and trolling attitude.

Probably you're doing it on purpose (that's what trolls do) to feed your ego and make yourself think you're having a great time, but maybe not (if that's the case, then it's really sad). I for one will stop reading anything you write from now on. I want to keep having a good time while being on the bigfooty saints forum and, for now, this is the only way I can do it.

 

[HoldenMCaulfield]

On a brighter note: Milne > Jesus

Bow to your king, Milney.

**** you Geoff and pull your head in.

Well said.