- Banned
- #51
I won't quote you, Daymee because you've messed up the quoting etc but, to put it bluntly, you have projected onto me a bunch of motivations that simply don't exist.
The Mardi Gras. I personally don't like it. I understood its purpose back in the day as a kind "**** you, this is who we are and we're proud of it" political statement. Great. But in an environment where grid girls are being sacked, I find the message regarding objectification and self objectification confusing to say the least. That said, I didn't say I was against the float. I said it makes me cringe. It's a personal thing. I'm a great admirer, as an old, white, hetero, male, of the female form yet dancing girls at sporting events make me cringe as well. So do ground announcers and confected atmosphere creators. And vegans who seem determined to let everyone know they're vegans.
I was at the 2014 Grand Final. I heard a lot of awful things from drunk Hawthorn supporters. I didn't hear anything about homosexuality. I doesn't surprise me one bit if there were some remarks like that in a crowd of 100k. My first comment on the subject acknowledged that the bigots were still there but said that they are not going to have their views changed by any clubs' participation in certain initiatives, however well meaning. I stand by that. There has been an even bigger push over decades to stamp out racism in football and yet I continue to hear, and certainly did that day, plenty of racist remarks, even leaving aside the booing. It leaves me wondering whether perhaps some of these initiatives, again, however well meaning, end up having the effect of being counter productive.
You want to celebrate all of these initiatives at the footy? Great. Fantastic! More power to you! I think it's a little rich, though, for you to project on to me an absence of compassion and some sort of a poor upbringing if I hold a slightly different view. For many people, footy is supposed to be an escape from the drudgery of everyday life in Winter. They pay big money for the privilege of living in an irrational fantasy for a couple of hours a week. I happen to be of the view that a mandatory social justice sermon shouldn't necessarily be thrown into the mix of that, especially when those sermons are beginning to show signs of counter productivity.
The Mardi Gras. I personally don't like it. I understood its purpose back in the day as a kind "**** you, this is who we are and we're proud of it" political statement. Great. But in an environment where grid girls are being sacked, I find the message regarding objectification and self objectification confusing to say the least. That said, I didn't say I was against the float. I said it makes me cringe. It's a personal thing. I'm a great admirer, as an old, white, hetero, male, of the female form yet dancing girls at sporting events make me cringe as well. So do ground announcers and confected atmosphere creators. And vegans who seem determined to let everyone know they're vegans.
I was at the 2014 Grand Final. I heard a lot of awful things from drunk Hawthorn supporters. I didn't hear anything about homosexuality. I doesn't surprise me one bit if there were some remarks like that in a crowd of 100k. My first comment on the subject acknowledged that the bigots were still there but said that they are not going to have their views changed by any clubs' participation in certain initiatives, however well meaning. I stand by that. There has been an even bigger push over decades to stamp out racism in football and yet I continue to hear, and certainly did that day, plenty of racist remarks, even leaving aside the booing. It leaves me wondering whether perhaps some of these initiatives, again, however well meaning, end up having the effect of being counter productive.
You want to celebrate all of these initiatives at the footy? Great. Fantastic! More power to you! I think it's a little rich, though, for you to project on to me an absence of compassion and some sort of a poor upbringing if I hold a slightly different view. For many people, footy is supposed to be an escape from the drudgery of everyday life in Winter. They pay big money for the privilege of living in an irrational fantasy for a couple of hours a week. I happen to be of the view that a mandatory social justice sermon shouldn't necessarily be thrown into the mix of that, especially when those sermons are beginning to show signs of counter productivity.
