South Australian football - where is it at?

[The_Reaper]

It doesn't help that our economy is largely made up of mining/resources, defence and agriculture. Not going to get a lot of sponsorship from these industries.

To be fair, the obvious comparision to the SA teams (WA), has an economy made up of mining/resouces and agriculture.

 

[bringbackbucky]

Do the SANFL publish their strategic plan? I'd love to read what their over arching misison statement is...

 

[IanW]

Do the SANFL publish their strategic plan? I'd love to read what their over arching misison statement is...

Google is your friend

http://www.sanfl.com.au/sp/index.html

 

[PAUR]

The one IanW posted is the one released this year which is much more PC than past mission statements.

I can't find this reproduced elsewhere but it is interesting:

http://www.onlymelbourne.com.au/melbourne_details.php?id=1551

This is taken from the 2007 statement:

FINANCIAL VIABILITY
OBJECTIVE
To maximise the financial returns so that
monetary grants to Clubs are maintained
and AAMI Stadium facilities are further
developed and maintained.

SANFL COMPETITION MANAGEMENT
OBJECTIVE
The SANFL to be the premier State League
competition in Australia with 9 strong and
financially secure Clubs playing a clear
role in providing services to the football
community and developing elite talent.

http://www.sanfl.com.au/files/_system/File/PDFs/AR/SANFL AR SP FINAL.pdf

 

[jackster83]

To be fair, the obvious comparision to the SA teams (WA), has an economy made up of mining/resouces and agriculture.

The point I was getting at was that those industries make their living selling crap overseas so they couldn't give a stuff about exposure here. You don't see BHP, Rio, Woodside, Santos, Penfolds, etc forking out big sponsorship dollars do you, even though they could easily afford it.

I guess there is a flow-on effect though, with the smaller companies that service/support the magnates more likely to splash out on sponsorship to get their name around. WA just happens to be a bigger market than SA.

 

[PAUR]

Woodside sponsor Freo

 

[Natman]

Atlas Iron sponsor the Perth Scorchers.

 

[Kwality]

Atlas Iron sponsor the Perth Scorchers.

Sponsorship is not a gift, it must be earned.

 

[PykeDream]

Sponsorship is not a gift, it must be earned.

How does a brand new franchise 'earn' sponsorship. Unless its a case of 'our CEO is mates with their CEO', and even then its not a case where it is being earnt.

 

[Natman]

Sponsorship is not a gift, it must be earned.

What the hell are you talking about - of course it is a gift - if there are benefits to the company then so be it.

 

[The_Wookie]

Rio Tinto are the major sponsor of the NT Thunder.
BHP Billition are a premier partner of the West Coast Eagles
BHP Billiton are a major sponsor of Swan Districts
Woodside are major sponsor of Fremantle

 

[Starburns_]

I can't tell if you are being serious or not?
SANFL stopped us from going and made up a club to enter. The club was/is the AFC

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Port_A...31996:_SANFL_domination_and_AFL_establishment

The SANFL had been unwilling to field a South Australian side in the VFL until it could be done without negatively affecting football within the state. In 1990, the Port Adelaide Football Club, frustrated at the SANFL's lack of action and looking to secure its own future, accepted an invitation from the VFL to join the VFL, which had now become the AFL. The AFL signed a Heads of Agreement with the club in expectation that Port would enter the competition in 1991, making that there would be two "Port Adelaide Football Clubs," one in the AFL and one in the SANFL. What ensued was one of the most bitter episodes in South Australian football history that split the state, the fault lines of which are still evident today.[6] Furious at what it perceived to be treacherous behaviour by Port Adelaide, the SANFL told Port Adelaide to decline the invitation and if they didn't, the SANFL would take legal action. The AFL suggested to the SANFL that if they didn't want Port Adelaide to join the AFL, then they can put forward a counter bid to enter a composite South Australian side into the AFL. After legal action from all parties, the AFL finally agreed to accept the SANFL's bid and the Adelaide Football Club was born.[

That doesn't actually disprove what he was saying.

Interesting though, I'm wondering on what grounds the SANFL could have taken legal action? Isn't the SANFL effectively run by the clubs? Which would lead me to believe that Port Adelaide owned and ran themselves and probably wouldn't have had any agreement locking them into playing in the SANFL?

 

[Papa G]

That doesn't actually disprove what he was saying.

Interesting though, I'm wondering on what grounds the SANFL could have taken legal action? Isn't the SANFL effectively run by the clubs? Which would lead me to believe that Port Adelaide owned and ran themselves and probably wouldn't have had any agreement locking them into playing in the SANFL?

The SANFL had much deeper pockets than the PAFC did. Also the public outcry at the time in SA was huge. Already non Port supporters hated Port for themselves regularly being butt jammed on the field for generations, now Port was seen as the ultimate Judas and selling out SA football. The public backlash was immense. Ultimately it ended up with the Adelaide Crows which large sections of the SA public fell in love with and in a delightful twist, turned their back on their SANFL sides, but still harboured an enormous amount of animosity towards Port. The SANFL of course hates port as well, and thus them holding our AFL licence has always been a strained exercise. For the last 20 years it has been pay back, both from the wider SA football community who after years of being dwarfed by Port now had an amalagmated entity who's sum was greater than the Port Adelaide Football club. And they have relished it. Large sections of the Adelaide media still relish it. They have permanent stiffies at the moment.

Sure we may deserve a lot of it, but it really is an almost unworkable situation whereby your owner hates you.

 

[Goat 53]

port made their bed, they can lay in it.

 

[PAUR]

Read through the thread and post again.

 

[Masto]

 

[King Elvis]

Crows are fine.

We'll make the 8 next year.

Port, I have serious concerns about.

Financially, the Adelaide Oval move is absolutely critical for Port, but it's also very important for the Crows as well. AAMI is shit, if they're going to sustain themselves, let alone grow, then the Crows need a City Stadium.

Crows will be fine either way, but we need Adelaide Oval to thrive and not just exist, Port really need Adelaide Oval to be their silver bullet.

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Crows are fine.

We'll make the 8 next year.

Port, I have serious concerns about.

Financially, the Adelaide Oval move is absolutely critical for Port, but it's also very important for the Crows as well. AAMI is shit, if they're going to sustain themselves, let alone grow, then the Crows need a City Stadium.

Crows will be fine either way, but we need Adelaide Oval to thrive and not just exist, Port really need Adelaide Oval to be their silver bullet.

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[PAUR]

Have you seen their draw?

I don't really think that will be an indication the Crows are doing fine though. When Freo are making true profits and the Crows aren't, you aren't doing fine!

As long as Port are making the SANFL money we will be alive. Clearly not doing fine in this arrangement

 

[Bone71]

That doesn't actually disprove what he was saying.

Interesting though, I'm wondering on what grounds the SANFL could have taken legal action? Isn't the SANFL effectively run by the clubs? Which would lead me to believe that Port Adelaide owned and ran themselves and probably wouldn't have had any agreement locking them into playing in the SANFL?

Port along with the other 9 clubs had voted that at team from the sanfl would not be entered until 1993. They then signed a heads of agreement with the AFL to enter a side in 1991.

From memeory, in May 1990 all SANFL clubs agreed not to enter a side until 1993. Then either Norwood approached the AFL about entering a side or the AFL lead Port to believe Norwood had made an approach. Port then come to an agreement to enter a side. Several SANFL clubs gain a court injunction to prevent Port negotiating with the AFL until the SANFL has had time to make a submission of their own. The SANFL bid was more attractive to the AFL in that the composite side was much more marketable.

I believe that because Port was part of the SANFL meeting that resolved to not enter a side until 1993 they were found to have had a conflict of interest and the injuction was placed on them.

I remember thinking at the time that the AFL had played Port and probably Norwood, in order to get the SANFL to come to the table. I still think the AFL's goal was to get a composite SA side into the competition but would have been happy with Port or Norwood as a secondary solution.

 

[bomberclifford]

Port along with the other 9 clubs had voted that at team from the sanfl would not be entered until 1993. They then signed a heads of agreement with the AFL to enter a side in 1991.

From memeory, in May 1990 all SANFL clubs agreed not to enter a side until 1993. Then either Norwood approached the AFL about entering a side or the AFL lead Port to believe Norwood had made an approach. Port then come to an agreement to enter a side. Several SANFL clubs gain a court injunction to prevent Port negotiating with the AFL until the SANFL has had time to make a submission of their own. The SANFL bid was more attractive to the AFL in that the composite side was much more marketable.

I believe that because Port was part of the SANFL meeting that resolved to not enter a side until 1993 they were found to have had a conflict of interest and the injuction was placed on them.

I remember thinking at the time that the AFL had played Port and probably Norwood, in order to get the SANFL to come to the table. I still think the AFL's goal was to get a composite SA side into the competition but would have been happy with Port or Norwood as a secondary solution.

Fairly good summary of happenings IMO.

 

[icrow32]

The SANFL had much deeper pockets than the PAFC did. Also the public outcry at the time in SA was huge. Already non Port supporters hated Port for themselves regularly being butt jammed on the field for generations, now Port was seen as the ultimate Judas and selling out SA football. The public backlash was immense. Ultimately it ended up with the Adelaide Crows which large sections of the SA public fell in love with and in a delightful twist, turned their back on their SANFL sides, but still harboured an enormous amount of animosity towards Port. The SANFL of course hates port as well, and thus them holding our AFL licence has always been a strained exercise. For the last 20 years it has been pay back, both from the wider SA football community who after years of being dwarfed by Port now had an amalagmated entity who's sum was greater than the Port Adelaide Football club. And they have relished it. Large sections of the Adelaide media still relish it. They have permanent stiffies at the moment.

Sure we may deserve a lot of it, but it really is an almost unworkable situation whereby your owner hates you.

Someone has issues!!

An interesting take on the situation and barely any is actual fact, just your bitter twisted opinion. How on earth does the SANFL "pay back" Port ? when its the crows that are forced to contribute far more cash to the SANFL and therefore Port Power?

Port are a failed experiment mainly because their own supporters can't handle losing. Suck it up and live with.

 

[PAUR]

What bit do the Crows contribute to Port Adelaide?

If SANFL are making a profit on Port how are the Crows contributing to Port?

 

[El_Scorcho]

Port along with the other 9 clubs had voted that at team from the sanfl would not be entered until 1993. They then signed a heads of agreement with the AFL to enter a side in 1991.

From memeory, in May 1990 all SANFL clubs agreed not to enter a side until 1993. Then either Norwood approached the AFL about entering a side or the AFL lead Port to believe Norwood had made an approach. Port then come to an agreement to enter a side. Several SANFL clubs gain a court injunction to prevent Port negotiating with the AFL until the SANFL has had time to make a submission of their own. The SANFL bid was more attractive to the AFL in that the composite side was much more marketable.

I believe that because Port was part of the SANFL meeting that resolved to not enter a side until 1993 they were found to have had a conflict of interest and the injuction was placed on them.

I remember thinking at the time that the AFL had played Port and probably Norwood, in order to get the SANFL to come to the table. I still think the AFL's goal was to get a composite SA side into the competition but would have been happy with Port or Norwood as a secondary solution.

Pretty good summary.

I probably feel most sorry for Norwood. Had Port gone in first in 1990, the next club to go in would have most likely been Norwood or a Norwood/Sturt combined bid.

Who knows what the benefit of hindsight might have done for these clubs.

 

[Natman]

Port along with the other 9 clubs had voted that at team from the sanfl would not be entered until 1993. They then signed a heads of agreement with the AFL to enter a side in 1991.

From memeory, in May 1990 all SANFL clubs agreed not to enter a side until 1993. Then either Norwood approached the AFL about entering a side or the AFL lead Port to believe Norwood had made an approach. Port then come to an agreement to enter a side. Several SANFL clubs gain a court injunction to prevent Port negotiating with the AFL until the SANFL has had time to make a submission of their own. The SANFL bid was more attractive to the AFL in that the composite side was much more marketable.

I believe that because Port was part of the SANFL meeting that resolved to not enter a side until 1993 they were found to have had a conflict of interest and the injuction was placed on them.

I remember thinking at the time that the AFL had played Port and probably Norwood, in order to get the SANFL to come to the table. I still think the AFL's goal was to get a composite SA side into the competition but would have been happy with Port or Norwood as a secondary solution.

A good summary, but a fatal flaw - the SNAFL agreed that they would again review whether they should enter a team in the AFL in 1993. That is a long way from saying that they would enter a team in 1993.