Sporting 'Curses'- Real or No?

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Stopher

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On the eve of yet another chapter of this recent Geelong / Hawthorn rivalry and the constant references to the now infamous 'Kennett's Curse', what do people make of these supposed 'curses' that hang over a team?

Are they total rubbish or is there a little more to it? Personally, I believe that whilst there isn't the classic hag-with-her-hex, there is definitely an element of self-fulfilment about them.
By which I mean some event or comment is seen as the original 'curse' (usually in retrospect), the media highlights it, then the fans pick up on it.

It is whether the players also pick up on it that it becomes genuinely interesting to observe. The most famous cases of supposed curses have involved very competent teams that are often in the running to win whatever league / championship in which they are participating, but seem to fall at the final hurdle through something out of the ordinary happening, so it is not simply one team dominating the other through sheer quality.

So getting back to the Cats and Hawks, do you believe Brad Sewell when he said that this run of 10 consecutive losses against Geelong is irrelevant to tomorrow night's game? Does he believe it? How much does Jeff's comments from 5 years ago matter?

GUTTMAN'S CURSE

With Real Madrid winning the first 5 European Cups from 1956-1960, Benfica finally broke the Spanish giants' stranglehold on the trophy by winning the 1961 & 1962 competitions. Their manager was a Hungarian named Bela Guttmann who, having overseen this spectacular achievement, thought it not unreasonable to ask for a pay rise. Amazingly, the board refused his request, to which he stormed out of the office, saying that the club would not win another European trophy for 100 years.

It has been 51 years since that proclamation and in that time Benfica have lost no less than 7 consecutive European finals, despite having some brilliant teams and plenty of domestic success in those decades. Eusebio, Benfica's greatest ever player and the focal point of the '61/'62 Cup-winning teams, has even prayed at the grave of Guttmann to remove the curse, but to this day, it lives on.

Does anyone have any other good ones they have heard about?
 
In a story told in Johnny Warren's 2002 autobiography, Sheilas, Wogs and ****ters:[50] During a trip to play against Rhodesia (now Zimbabwe) in the 1970 Mexico World Cup qualifiers in Mozambique, members of the Australian national soccer team (nicknamed the "Socceroos") including Warren consulted a witch doctor preceding their game. The witch doctor buried bones near the goal-posts and cursed the opposition, and Australia went on to beat Rhodesia 3–1 in the decider. However, the move backfired when the players could not come up with the £1000 demanded by the witch doctor as payment and he subsequently cursed the team. Subsequently, the Socceroos failed to beat Israel and did not qualify.
Whilst the curse is used as an explanation for failing to qualify for the World Cup for 32 years, including in the last match in the 1994, 1998 and 2002 qualifications, the curse is used in particular reference to the failure to qualify for the 1998 World Cup by drawing on aggregate against Iran, despite leading 2–0 in the second half of the final match of qualification.
The curse was supposedly lifted by John Safran during his 2004 TV series John Safran vs God. After reading the story in Warren's book, Safran travelled to Mozambique and hired a new witch doctor to channel the original to reverse the curse. The following year, the Socceroos not only qualified for the 2006 World Cup, but reached the second round before being beaten by Italy in Kaiserslautern. The Socceroos have since qualified for the 2010 and 2014 World Cups.
It is worth noting that their appearance in the 1974 FIFA World Cup came after the supposed curse had been placed. However, they failed to score a goal in any of their three opening round matches, and were eliminated.[51]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sports-related_curses
 
Not real, however if coincidences go together to form some 'curses', it becomes real in peoples minds. It's a mental thing.

Interesting never the less.
 

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Curses are just media bullshit, but as mentioned by OP I think can end up affecting players, especially with kicking at goal late in the game as we have seen on numerous occasions.

Why don't they bang on about the Carlton or Demons curse, Hawks are currently on 10 game winning streaks against both of them? Hawks had an 11 game winning streak over the Cats in the late 80s but no curse then either.
 
Curses are just media bullshit, but as mentioned by OP I think can end up affecting players, especially with kicking at goal late in the game as we have seen on numerous occasions.

Why don't they bang on about the Carlton or Demons curse, Hawks are currently on 10 game winning streaks against both of them? Hawks had an 11 game winning streak over the Cats in the late 80s but no curse then either.

As I said, they often start out as media-inflated hype, as I don't believe the voodoo witchdoctor man with his bones-type scenario (although the story above was interesting, never heard that before) but if there is a supposed curse and the players who can do something about ending it are thinking about it, then they fail, isn't that some form of prolonging the curse, even if in an indirect manner?

As for Carlton and Melbourne, that isn't a curse mate, Hawthorn have just been far superior to them in recent years.
 
Does anyone have any other good ones they have heard about?
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The Bobby Lane curse on the Detroit Lions is the one that comes to mind.
Not only were they not successful for 50 years after he said his famous 'they won't win for 50 years statement' but they only won 1 playoff game in that time. They made the playoffs in only nine years.
 
And there was some curse to do with the Yankees ? Babe Ruth or something


THE CURSE OF THE BAMBINO

Babe Ruth, baseball's equivalent to Don Bradman, played for Boston Red Sox from 1914-1919, during which time Boston won the World Series three times, the last of which was 1918. The owner of the Red Sox, Harry Frazee, sold Ruth to their arch-rivals, the New York Yankees, in order to fund his girlfriend's broadway musical. It would begin one of the longest droughts in professional sporting history, with the Red Sox having to wait 86 long years before winning the World Series again in 2004. The Yankees meanwhile, having never won the World Series before the purchase of 'the Bambino', went on to win it 26 times before Boston broke the curse in 2004.

If you want to bother looking up the stories of Bill Buckner and 2004 when the Red Sox finally broke their drought, they are both very interesting reads.
 
I guess the sacking of norm smith , our club has never been the same since
Melbourne haven't won a flag since the sacking of Norm Smith.
Collingwood's famous Colliwobbles losing 10(?) grand finals in a row?
The Helen D'amico curse in the 82 Grand final. Richmond have been shit from the moment on.


And there was some curse to do with the Yankees ? Babe Ruth or something

The curse of the Bambino. Babe ruth was traded from the Boston Red Sox to the Yankees, took them 90 years to win another world series.
Also, Chicago white sox got caught match fixing, took them 90+ years to win another World series.
 
Not a real 'curse', but seemingly every time Carlton is playing ok footy, Robert Walls writes a f*cking article saying our list is coming together and now are ready to challenge for a premiership.


Not sure if our players read it and it goes to their heads, but that just about perfectly precedes losing to some bottom of the ladder team or starting a losing run. Not sure if I should say this about a former club captain, three time premiership player and permiership coach, but F*CK YOU Robert Walls! :mad::eek:

Sorry for the rant. Needed to get that off my chest.

In the AFL, the Norm Smith curse is the biggest. My fave non-AFL ones are the Socceroos witchdoctor one and the Curse of the Bambino.
 

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Technically the colliwobbles are still on right?

They said they wont win a grand final in September.

The 1990 grand final was held in october due to a drawn final
The 2010 grand final was replayed and the second game held in october.

I think now the grand final is always going to be in October. Further proof of the AFL looking after the interests of collingwood ;)
 
Collywobbles isn't real. Its just that Collingwood played a tonne of grand finals, eventually they were going to lose a lot of them. No surprise they lost heaps to the MFC, as Melbourne were just a better team than anyone else throughout that period. Like the 01-03 Lions, except lasting for ten years.

Then the Dees sacked the greatest coach of all time, lost the winningest bloke in the histroy of footy within a year (Barassi) and never looked like winning shit since then.
 
I guess the sacking of norm smith , our club has never been the same since

And they deserved it too !!

Smith booted my father from trialling with the Dees when he kept hitting the leading full forward on the chest with a searing stab-kick from 35-40m away. Smith told him he would never make it because he was undisciplined, he didn't follow his instruction to "kick long to a marking contest".
 
Collywobbles isn't real. Its just that Collingwood played a tonne of grand finals, eventually they were going to lose a lot of them. No surprise they lost heaps to the MFC, as Melbourne were just a better team than anyone else throughout that period. Like the 01-03 Lions, except lasting for ten years.

Then the Dees sacked the greatest coach of all time, lost the winningest bloke in the histroy of footy within a year (Barassi) and never looked like winning shit since then.

You might want to check the records of Melbourne and Sydney when Barassi was coach before saying that.
 
Collywobbles isn't real. Its just that Collingwood played a tonne of grand finals, eventually they were going to lose a lot of them. No surprise they lost heaps to the MFC, as Melbourne were just a better team than anyone else throughout that period. Like the 01-03 Lions, except lasting for ten years.

Then the Dees sacked the greatest coach of all time, lost the winningest bloke in the histroy of footy within a year (Barassi) and never looked like winning shit since then.

9 grand finals in a row is pretty significant though....
 
The Curse of the Colonel is one of my favourites.

1985 Japan Series



Full view of statue
The Hanshin Tigers are located in Kansai, the second largest metropolitan area in Japan. They are considered the eternal underdogs of Nippon Professional Baseball, in opposition to the Yomiuri Giants of Tokyo, who are considered the kings of Japanese baseball.[5] The devoted fans flock to the stadium no matter how badly the Tigers play in the league.
In 1985, much to the nation's surprise,the Hanshin Tigers faced the Seibu Lions and took their first and only victory in the Japan Series, largely due to the efforts of star slugger Randy Bass,an American playing for the team.
The fan base went wild, and a riotous celebration gathered at Ebisubashi Bridge in Dōtonbori, Osaka. There, an assemblage of supporters yelled the players' names, and with every name, a fan resembling a member of the victorious team leaped from the bridge into the waiting canal. However, lacking someone to imitate MVP Randy Bass, the rabid crowd seized a plastic statue of Colonel Sanders (like Bass, the Colonel had a beard and was not Japanese) from a nearby KFC and tossed it off the bridge as an effigy.
According to the urban legend, this impulsive maneuver cost the team greatly, beginning the Curse of the Colonel,which states that the Tigers will not win the championship again until the statue is recovered.Subsequently, numerous attempts have been made to recover the statue, often as part of a variety TV show. Most of the statue was recovered in March, 2009.
18-year losing streak

After their success in the 1985 series, the Hanshin Tigers began an 18-year losing streak placing last or next-to-last in the league. Brief rallies in 1992 and 1999 brought hope to fans, but they were soon followed with defeat.
During this time attempts were made to recover the statue, including sending divers down and dredging the river, but they all failed. Fans apologized to the store manager, but the statue remained in the canal and the Tigers "cursed."

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Curse_of_the_Colonel
 

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