St Kilda gone for 2011!

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Crap, on the day, big or small he was easily the best stay at home forward on the ground.

True but you're only saying that with the benefit of hindsight. Nobody really rated Dawes prior to September.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Pattison was only recruited as a back-up player by the way....

And yet when King and Gardiner broke down/retired and Kozi was playing injured, Pattison was still overlooked.....some backup player he turned out to be.... McEvoy was thrown to the wolves instead!!!

Hate to say I told you so but I told you so.

 

[St DAC]

McEvoy was the No 2 ruckman for most of the season; of couse he'd be in front of Patto. Patto was insurance in case all 4 ruckmen ahead of him went down.

You told us SFA of consquence. Just pumping your own tires up as usual.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

McEvoy was the No 2 ruckman for most of the season; of couse he'd be in front of Patto. Patto was insurance in case all 4 ruckmen ahead of him went down.

You told us SFA of consquence. Just pumping your own tires up as usual.

King and Pattison were a waste of space on StKilda's list. It was seriously detrimental to the depth of the side because neither were capable of standing up when it counted, nor ever likely to be. StKilda had a lot of rucks on their list this year - at the expense of midfield depth - yet none of their rucks were worth a pinch of shit except for Gardiner who has had a long injury history and is in the twilight of his career and McEvoy who is two years away from making the grade. Relying on Gardiner almost exclusively was a massive risk - a far bigger risk than Collingwood relying on Jolly who is three years younger and who had never had an injury in his life.

I said this at the start of the year so its not as if I am being Harry hindsight....

 

[mysainters]

Top 4 is all you need to have a chance at a premiership, I am very confident this group is more than capable of that kind of finish.

 

[PCORF]

r u seriously surprised???


2004 at round 11 when we lost our first game they rode us off me made prelim and lost to premier
2005 start of season written off. made prelim and lost to premier again
2006 had the same fate finished 8th but lost to melbourne
2007 (ross' 1st year so cant expect too much) just missed finals
2008 written off at start of year looked like they were right half way through then we stepped it up a gear and made another prelim. but yet again lost to the premier.
2009 written off at start of year won 19 in a row made a grand final
2010 written off yet again made 2 grand finals

im not surprised anymore. people just dont want to admit that they fear us.

Finish 5th in 2006 and lost to 8th placed Melbourne.

 

[kosifantutti]

r u seriously surprised???


2004 at round 11 when we lost our first game they rode us off me made prelim and lost to premier
2005 start of season written off. made prelim and lost to premier again
2006 had the same fate finished 8th but lost to melbourne
2007 (ross' 1st year so cant expect too much) just missed finals
2008 written off at start of year looked like they were right half way through then we stepped it up a gear and made another prelim. but yet again lost to the premier.
2009 written off at start of year won 19 in a row made a grand final
2010 written off yet again made 2 grand finals

im not surprised anymore. people just dont want to admit that they fear us.

Finish 5th in 2006 and lost to 8th placed Melbourne.

Actually we were 6th and were beaten by 7th placed Melbourne.

But I can't remember the Saints being written off in many of those years, particularly after one loss in 2004

 

[kosifantutti]

And yet when King and Gardiner broke down/retired and Kozi was playing injured, Pattison was still overlooked.....some backup player he turned out to be.... McEvoy was thrown to the wolves instead!!!

Hate to say I told you so but I told you so.

Lyon decided rightly or wrongly that we only needed one ruckman against Collingwood. Are you suggesting that after we were one point from winning the flag we replace Gardiner with McEvoy and Pattison?

Drop Hayes maybe

 

[Falchoon]

A year older definitely and superceded - for sure. Worse - maybe - who knows - but Jolly changed the dynamics for Collingwood.

and Gardiner going down changed the Saints dynamics, but that was hardly your point though was it? Again your back up Fraser was spanked last year as McEvoy was by Jolly.

Fraser and Wood were not far better backups to your ruck line-up than anything StKilda had

 

[Falchoon]

- yet none of their rucks were worth a pinch of shit except for Gardiner who has had a long injury history and is in the twilight of his career and McEvoy who is two years away from making the grade.

they can't be that bad, Jolly was outpointed by Kosi and Blake on the last day in September.

 

[Adz]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; a team made up of rejects and misfits will never win a flag. Yes, they will be competitive but not serious contenders.

 

[stui magpie]

I tend to chuckle a bit when teams ( and posters ) seem to think they only need to bottom out for a couple of years and then they will rebuild and win a premiership.
It still needs a lot of things to go right.

Abolutely, spot on. if it was as easy as bottoming out there would be a revolving door.

Have a look at both the St Kilda and Collingwood teams. There were roughly as many or more rookies as top 10 draft picks.

It's not how high your pick is, it's what you do with it.

 

[Falchoon]

It's not how high your pick is, it's what you do with it.

yes and no, our best player over the 2 weeks was a no.1 pick, your best was a no.2 pick.

The average draft position of the top 3 in the Norm Smith voting was 6, for each game - Thomas/Hayes/Goddard & Pendles/Sidebum/Thomas

 

[kosifantutti]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; a team made up of rejects and misfits will never win a flag. Yes, they will be competitive but not serious contenders.

Wrong thread?

 

[Vdubs]

AGAIN, Saints -Pies GF 2011. Who has an alternative more realistic prediction. Saints have the depth and HUNGER to win it next year. Unfortunately, they will NOT go away.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

I've said it before and I'll say it again; a team made up of rejects and misfits will never win a flag. Yes, they will be competitive but not serious contenders.

It came a draw idiot. That means with a stray bounce it could have gone either way. But here you are preaching as if you have the secret of eternal wisdom. w***er.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

they can't be that bad, Jolly was outpointed by Kosi and Blake on the last day in September.

Kozi and Blake for 2011 it is then. Good luck with that.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Lyon decided rightly or wrongly that we only needed one ruckman against Collingwood.

Kozi should have been the back up ruckman all year and Stanley should have had match practice during the season.

If that had happened then then Riewoldt would have had some help when Gardiner inevitably broke down.

 

[Nardz]

LOL!!!

Goddard is just hitting his straps. Most likely in 2011 he will be just about the best player in the AFL.

Riewoldt was meant to be gone with all the experts stating that IF he got back this season that he would be below his best. He was just hitting his straps when he did his hamstring this year. He will be flying next year after another full pre-season the Pies wil get to take on a fully fit Roo.

These two are a big chance to be the best two players in the AFL next year, and if not will be close to it.

Chances of them regressing are basically nil.

Goddard probably has the fiercest competitive spirit. Remember that he did his new several seasons back...so only this year was he 100%.

i'll give you goddard - safe to say he probably has his best ahead of him....

but i reckon we saw the best of riewoldt in 2009. He'll probably have a better 2011 than 2010 though, should fitness permit...

but apart from that my point still stands..

collingwood have swan and didak as the players in their peak, and then you've got pendlebury, thomas, wellingham, beams, sidebottom, cloke, dawes, reid, brown, blair, toovey as the players that have age on their side and can improve.

that was my main point.

 

[Bollox]

After every GF twits throw pebbles around or try to bring down the loser.
Making the GF any yr is a huge effort and when you lose by virtually the bounce of the ball 2 yrs in a row then it cant be good for the soul and morale at the place.

Without them there would have been 2 walk over flags the last two yrs...great team, extremely well led by a champion, every chance of challenging again next yr. They'll be desperate.

Whether or not the bottom half of their list improves is yet to be seen...they rely so heavily on perhaps 6-10 guys, possibly moreso than any other of the top teams.

Cred where its due...cant see them falling off the pace just yet

 

[kosifantutti]

Kozi should have been the back up ruckman all year and Stanley should have had match practice during the season.

If that had happened then then Riewoldt would have had some help when Gardiner inevitably broke down.

I'm amazed we got within a point of a premiership without your wisdom to guide us.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

I'm amazed we got within a point of a premiership without your wisdom to guide us.

Collingwood have been within a goal of far more premierships than StKilda. Its nothing to be proud of. I suggest you cease bragging about StKilda's near miss, because you didnt win the first final. In fact you had the lead when it mattered and lost it due to Gram's appalling defensive work (or because he was injured and should not have been selected in the first place).

I'm not amazed StKilda had a good year. StKilda's top 6-8 are as good as anybody's and the Lyon game plan means that StKilda are in with a chance against anybody they play - unwatchable as it is.

But this thread is about 2011 and StKilda's patchwork recruitment policy, and age gap in the ruck division, lack of pace in the midfield, and failure to provide kids with an opportunity, and may start to hurt them going forward.

 

[jimmy35]

I'm amazed we got within a point of a premiership without your wisdom to guide us.

We all are.

Credit to the Saints.

 

[Thommo 42]

and Gardiner going down changed the Saints dynamics, but that was hardly your point though was it? Again your back up Fraser was spanked last year as McEvoy was by Jolly.

Fraser and Wood were not far better backups to your ruck line-up than anything StKilda had

Fraser missed the Prelim in 07, Ottens played on Bryan and Richards and was BOG.

Fraser missed the Prelim in 09 as well, but I doubt it made a difference that time.

 

[stfan]

you've got pendlebury, thomas, wellingham, beams, sidebottom, cloke, dawes, reid, brown, blair, toovey as the players that have age on their side and can improve.

that was my main point.

Your main point is that some how only your youngish to young players will improve, and no other teams.

Truly head up ones own arse stuff.