Roast St Kilda in no mans land

[BigFrizz36]

It's common - but it's not designed so you can learn what a coaches philosophy and expectations are if you already know them!!

Put it this way, if Lyon had have agreed to a 'process' at Carlton, he was guaranteed the job. The people at Carlton that had already conditionally offered him the role weren't going to learn anything that they didn't already know about him or his style.

I think that you are making assumptions that might not be true. Carltons current vice president Patty Kinnersley (who heads up our Carlton respects program) was rumoured to have concerns about Ross Lyon and the allegations raised against him by a female employeee at the Dockers.

Ross went from being very keen on Footy Classified one week to having no interest in undertaking an interview and withdrawing from the position the next week. Ross would like you to believe that it was because he was a proven senior coach who shouldn't have to do interviews.

Me, I'm not quite sure about that. One thing that I'm sure of is that we absolutely dodged a bullet there.

 

[RAPPA]

Ma now out for the year. A good opportunity to reshape their forward line.

 

[Lingsface]

Why on earth would we do that.

Have you seen our midfield.

Also Max just did his knee and will miss the rest of the season. The whole media narrative about us trading him lasted less than 24 hours.

I’m not saying it’s an option just would you if it was on the table?

 

[ncehlondon]

Looking at crowds this year in Melbourne and Geelong only. St. Kilda average 33,302, Western Bulldogs average 32,934 and North 32,358. However if you change the Collingwood game to docklands and get 44,000 then St.Kilda's average crowd would only 30,467.

I remember them being much bigger but they have really shrunk over the last 20 years and in 10 - 20 years there is every chance they are the team that does not exist.

St Kilda
Rnd	T	Opponent	Venue	Crowd	Date	Melbourne Crowd
R2	A	Geelong	Kardinia Park	39352	Sat 16-Mar-2024 7:30 PM	39352
R3	H	Collingwood	M.C.G.	69517	Thu 21-Mar-2024 7:30 PM	69517
R4	A	Essendon	Docklands	44412	Sat 30-Mar-2024 4:20 PM	44412
R5	A	Richmond	Norwood Oval	9425	Sun 07-Apr-2024 2:50 PM
R6	A	Greater Western Sydney	Manuka Oval	12448	Sat 13-Apr-2024 1:45 PM
R7	H	Western Bulldogs	Docklands	26719	Thu 18-Apr-2024 7:30 PM	26719
R8	A	Port Adelaide	Adelaide Oval	40306	Fri 26-Apr-2024 7:10 PM
R9	H	North Melbourne	Docklands	27009	Sat 04-May-2024 4:35 PM	27009
R10	A	Hawthorn	York Park	15112	Sat 11-May-2024 1:45 PM
R11	H	Fremantle	Docklands	19265	Sat 18-May-2024 7:30 PM	19265
R12	A	Melbourne	M.C.G.	37403	Sun 26-May-2024 3:20 PM	37403
R13	A	West Coast	Perth Stadium	47526	Sat 01-Jun-2024 2:35 PM
R14	H	Gold Coast	Docklands	17992	Sat 08-Jun-2024 7:30 PM	17992
R15	A	Brisbane Lions	Gabba	27445	Fri 14-Jun-2024 7:40 PM
R17	H	Port Adelaide	Docklands	18052	Sun 30-Jun-2024 1:10 PM	18052
					Average	33,302
Western Bulldogs
Rnd	T	Opponent	Venue	Crowd	Date	Melbourne Crowd
R2	A	Melbourne	M.C.G.	44100	Sun 17-Mar-2024 1:00 PM	44100
R3	H	Gold Coast	Eureka Stadium	9752	Sun 24-Mar-2024 1:00 PM
R4	H	West Coast	Docklands	22991	Sun 31-Mar-2024 1:00 PM	22991
R5	H	Geelong	Adelaide Oval	45970	Sat 06-Apr-2024 7:40 PM
R6	H	Essendon	Docklands	50144	Fri 12-Apr-2024 7:40 PM	50144
R7	A	St Kilda	Docklands	26719	Thu 18-Apr-2024 7:30 PM	26719
R8	A	Fremantle	Perth Stadium	45931	Sat 27-Apr-2024 5:40 PM
R9	H	Hawthorn	Docklands	29555	Sun 05-May-2024 4:00 PM	29555
R10	A	Richmond	M.C.G.	38007	Sat 11-May-2024 7:30 PM	38007
R11	A	Greater Western Sydney	Showground	7747	Sat 18-May-2024 4:35 PM
R12	H	Sydney	Docklands	27377	Thu 23-May-2024 7:30 PM	27377
R13	A	Collingwood	Docklands	43298	Fri 31-May-2024 7:40 PM	43298
R14	H	Brisbane Lions	Docklands	31280	Fri 07-Jun-2024 7:40 PM	31280
R15	H	Fremantle	Docklands	21796	Sat 15-Jun-2024 1:45 PM	21796
R17	A	North Melbourne	Docklands	27005	Sat 29-Jun-2024 1:45 PM	27005
					Average	32,934
North Melbourne
Rnd	T	Opponent	Venue	Crowd	Date	Melbourne Crowd
R2	A	Greater Western Sydney	Showground	8034	Sat 16-Mar-2024 4:35 PM
R3	H	Fremantle	Docklands	17589	Sat 23-Mar-2024 1:45 PM	17589
R4	H	Carlton	Docklands	47565	Fri 29-Mar-2024 4:20 PM	47565
R5	A	Brisbane Lions	Norwood Oval	9037	Fri 05-Apr-2024 4:40 PM
R6	A	Geelong	Kardinia Park	31194	Sun 14-Apr-2024 1:00 PM	31194
R7	H	Hawthorn	Docklands	30648	Sun 21-Apr-2024 4:05 PM	30648
R8	H	Adelaide	Bellerive Oval	5365	Sat 27-Apr-2024 1:45 PM
R9	A	St Kilda	Docklands	27009	Sat 04-May-2024 4:35 PM	27009
R10	A	Gold Coast	Marrara Oval	7036	Sat 11-May-2024 7:00 PM
R11	A	Essendon	Docklands	43125	Sun 19-May-2024 1:10 PM	43125
R12	H	Port Adelaide	Bellerive Oval	4705	Sat 25-May-2024 1:45 PM
R14	A	West Coast	Perth Stadium	43276	Sat 08-Jun-2024 2:35 PM
R15	H	Collingwood	Docklands	38311	Sun 16-Jun-2024 1:00 PM	38311
R16	A	Melbourne	M.C.G.	28774	Sat 22-Jun-2024 7:30 PM	28774
R17	H	Western Bulldogs	Docklands	27005	Sat 29-Jun-2024 1:45 PM	27005
					Average	32,358

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Disaster is an over reaction clearly. But having such an unbalance week to week will throw even more unevenness into the comp. When the sport has so many complications this is just an extra one most dont need

There are byes anyway.

And surely it couldn't get any more unbalanced than it has been for the last 30 years?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Did he do his PCL playing in the ruck? It's the typical injury ruckmen have suffered. I hope in the quest to try to help him find form, the team hasn't increased his risk of this injury. North does the same playing Larkey as a relief ruckman - I hate it when this happens.

He looked like he couldn't run on Saturday to me. He literally fell over a few times.

There was heaps of talk about his lack of effort - but to me he looked hobbled more than anything.

 

[projectv]

I’m not saying it’s an option just would you if it was on the table?

I wouldn't. We need draft picks not a 31 year old key forward we won't be able to get the ball to.

 

[KissKiss]

There are byes anyway.

And surely it couldn't get any more unbalanced than it has been for the last 30 years?

Well I mean yeah adding byes every week instead of 6/24 (or what ever the number is) would be more unbalanced. Its probably not a huge difference but its clearly not ideal. The comp should be looking at ways of reducing the inequities when ever they can not adding more randomness - so yeah if you want to add a team we should look to even the numbers sooner than later

 

[Gavin Excell]

I’m not saying it’s an option just would you if it was on the table?

Any particular reason why you are suggesting such a trade?

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Geez, ya reckon?

Hadn't coached for 10 years, different people running the club since he was there last, different playing group.

An interview process definitely wouldn't have been a crystal ball, but would've 100% provided insight as to whether he's the right personality & coaching style for the club & current playing group.

It certainly wouldn't have hurt.

You don't think that the people that offered him the role knew him?

You think they just plucked his name off an old footy card and sent him a job offer via his PA?

Or just saw him on Footy Classified and emailed through an offer?

 

[King Huskii]

Ross needs to go. Saints can't even hit a target with a handball. Skills are deplorable

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Well I mean yeah adding byes every week instead of 6/24 (or what ever the number is) would be more unbalanced. Its probably not a huge difference but its clearly not ideal. The comp should be looking at ways of reducing the inequities when ever they can not adding more randomness - so yeah if you want to add a team we should look to even the numbers sooner than later

But the comp is about growing and making money - it's not about making the comp balanced. It hasn't been decades.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

Ross needs to go. Saints can't even hit a target with a handball. Skills are deplorable

?

The coach has to go because the players are no good?

Not sure I'm following...

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I think that you are making assumptions that might not be true. Carltons current vice president Patty Kinnersley (who heads up our Carlton respects program) was rumoured to have concerns about Ross Lyon and the allegations raised against him by a female employeee at the Dockers.

Ross went from being very keen on Footy Classified one week to having no interest in undertaking an interview and withdrawing from the position the next week. Ross would like you to believe that it was because he was a proven senior coach who shouldn't have to do interviews.

Me, I'm not quite sure about that. One thing that I'm sure of is that we absolutely dodged a bullet there.

But what does that have to with him having to go through a formal process?

What you just described, if true, happened outside of any formal process.


Not going through a formal process, does not mean that there is no process.

 

[King Huskii]

?

The coach has to go because the players are no good?

Not sure I'm following...

The coaching staff including Ross has been there awhile and their skills have dropped off.

Players going backwards.

Whose fault is it if it isn't Ross and co? I don't follow

 

[Captain Paddy]

Saints just need to splash cash/trade picks and get 2 genuinely good mids in and we'll improve drastically.

Our mids are genuine dirt. Not only do we lack speed but we lack polish and talent. It's criminal how bad we let it get. No offence to guys like Seb Ross, but he's been paid a fortune over the years and finished top 5 in our best and fairest consistently and somehow he still doesn't know how to kick on his right foot and his left foot is 50% at best.

Just criminal

 

[Red Bull]

Saints just need to splash cash/trade picks and get 2 genuinely good mids in and we'll improve drastically.

Our mids are genuine dirt. Not only do we lack speed but we lack polish and talent. It's criminal how bad we let it get. No offence to guys like Seb Ross, but he's been paid a fortune over the years and finished top 5 in our best and fairest consistently and somehow he still doesn't know how to kick on his right foot and his left foot is 50% at best.

Just criminal

No elite talent is moving to the Saints.
Managers wouldn’t even take the call …

 

[CarmenSandiego]

You don't think that the people that offered him the role knew him?

You think they just plucked his name off an old footy card and sent him a job offer via his PA?

Or just saw him on Footy Classified and emailed through an offer?

I didn’t say any of that, nice attempt at a strawman, though.

A formal extensive interview process in a professional environment wouldn’t have hurt, I’m not sure how one could argue otherwise tbh.

 

[beside the seaside]

No elite talent is moving to the Saints.
Managers wouldn’t even take the call …

Serious question, why are there so many Blues fans in the thread? There seem to be more Blues fans here than Saints fans bagging out Saints.

Maybe just try enjoying your own long coming period of success, why the need to constantly rag on a smaller club?

 

[Clive Kepler]

Didn't Ratten get the sack because the club thought he was underperforming with their list?

Now Ross is saying the list isn't good enough & need a rebuild and the club is now in agreeance?

It's weird.

Club was wrong about the list.

Ross is right.

Funnily enough the club being wrong arguably got Ratten needlessly fired to get him the job.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

The coaching staff including Ross has been there awhile and their skills have dropped off.

Players going backwards.

Whose fault is it if it isn't Ross and co? I don't follow

To be fair, I don't watch them that closely - but my observations over the past few years is that they have no good players and their skills suck bad.

I don't think their shitty skills is a Lyon thing. They've been mostly abhorrent at the basics since Richardson was there.

 

[Lavender Bushranger]

I didn’t say any of that, nice attempt at a strawman, though.

A formal extensive interview process in a professional environment wouldn’t have hurt, I’m not sure how one could argue otherwise tbh.

I don't know why you're telling me this?

 

[Red Bull]

Serious question, why are there so many Blues fans in the thread? There seem to be more Blues fans here than Saints fans bagging out Saints.

Maybe just try enjoying your own long coming period of success, why the need to constantly rag on a smaller club?

St.Kilda’s in the AFL mate.
It’s all a part of the game.
No discounts from opposition supporters for being shithouse …

 

[Jane Doe]

St.Kilda’s in the AFL mate.
It’s all a part of the game.
No discounts from opposition supporters for being shithouse …

I see you have moved on from the Hawthorn thread onto the St Kilda one

 

[King Huskii]

To be fair, I don't watch them that closely - but my observations over the past few years is that they have no good players and their skills suck bad.

I don't think their shitty skills is a Lyon thing. They've been mostly abhorrent at the basics since Richardson was there.

I think their skills have gone backwards

And players aren't what they used to be a year ago